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Gunnar Longshanks said:
He doesn't need to be a week-in, week-out superstar to be worth trading for.

Stenglein was worth trading for, wasn't he?

Wells would be our second-best midfielder. He's exactly the kind of player we lack. Hence, I'd say he would improve our 22.

Doesn't mean I want to throw the kitchen sink at the Roos to get him. But to say, "nah, not interested", is a bit silly.
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I can understand your viewpoint, but I still stand by the fact I don't think he warrants a second round pick at this current time.

Should his work effort and consistency increase then, well, maybe.
 
beatlesmith said:
Could the same not be said about every player for pick trade?
It is good to add experience to a young midfield group yes, but wells hardly brings any leadership (like stinger and chick did) and clearly lacks work ethic. Not exactly an example to follow, nor a recipe for a long career which will be needed for his expeience to be worth anything by the time we are againin premiership contention.
If you ask me, short term success in rebuilding years is largely irrelevant. Wells, for mine, will not contribute significantly towads our next permiership push, so we should e investing with youth as an overarching rule, only to be broken if a great deal were to fall in our lap.
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That's all fair enough.

In Wells' favour is that he's still only 24.

If he came to West Coast for next season, he would walk straight into our best 22 and we could get six years out of him, just as he enters his prime.

This is all pie-in-the-sky, and I certainly wouldn't advocate moving Heaven and Earth to get him.

But some of the phony indifference in this thread is a bit rich. The bottom line is that Wells would improve our midfield. The days when we could stare down our nose at that kind of improvement are over.
 
Mop said:
I can understand your viewpoint, but I still stand by the fact I don't think he warrants a second round pick at this current time.
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Well, then I think you have slightly unrealistic expectations about trading.

Presumably you expect us to do some trading at the end of the year.

Come October, I wonder what you'll be demanding for the likes of Seaby and Staker.
 

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Mop said:
Perhaps we just rate Daniel Wells in two different schools of fish?
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Well, how many runners do we have who are better than him?

Kerr and who else?

With that in mind, I wonder what you'd want in a trade for Priddis or Butler or Selwood or Nicoski or Hurn or Rosa.

Second-rounder perhaps?
 
Gunnar Longshanks said:
Well, how many runners do we have who are better than him?

Kerr and who else?

With that in mind, I wonder what you'd want in a trade for Priddis or Butler or Selwood or Nicoski or Hurn or Rosa.

Second-rounder perhaps?
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So, you're going to put words in my mouth based on... what? The fact that Daniel Wells doesn't interest me and we rate him differently? Right then..
 
Gunnar Longshanks said:
Well, how many runners do we have who are better than him?

Kerr and who else?

With that in mind, I wonder what you'd want in a trade for Priddis or Butler or Selwood or Nicoski or Hurn or Rosa.

Second-rounder perhaps?
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I dont see the appeal Gunnar, by the time we get him he'll be what 25, 26?

He's shown that he has talent, but he has also shown he is lazy and doesnt work hard enough. For such a prodigious talent he doesnt maximise his potential and IMO he's not really that good of a runner.

He's a burst player who has gotten by on flashes on brilliance sprinkled with a few great games here and there.

Thats not something I'd be particularly interested in, given his age, the size of Subi and the fact the we are clearly in the middle of a rebuild.

I dont see the point in picking him up 2nd rounder or not.
 
Swiftkid said:
I dont see the appeal Gunnar, by the time we get him he'll be what 25, 26?
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He's be just turned 25 at the start the 2010 season.

Swiftkid said:
I dont see the point in picking him up 2nd rounder or not.
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The point of picking him up would be to improve our list.

That's the point of trading for any player.

Whether you think he's worth a second-rounder is another matter.
 
Gunnar Longshanks said:
No, mate. I'm asking.

Spare me the indignation.

Platitudes.
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Of the players you listed, the only one there I would rate in the realms of possibility for a second rounder would be Hurn, and even then it's quite a stretch.
 
Gunnar Longshanks said:
He's be just turned 25 at the start the 2010 season.

The point of picking him up would be to improve our list.

That's the point of trading for any player.

Whether you think he's worth a second-rounder is another matter.
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You actually think a lazy runner will improve a list which plays 11 games on the largest ground in the competition?

He might gives something for a season or two, but he's hardly shown any consistency over the course of his career and you're advocating a 2-3 year gain, max, over 8-10 years, potentially, of consistent hard work?

Pretty interesting philosophy.
 
Mop said:
Of the players you listed, the only ones there I would rate in the realms of a second rounder possibility would be Hurn, and it's a bit of a stretch at the moment.
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Marty Mattner and Jordan McMahon fetched second-rounders.
 
Over 150 posts of crap in 3 short hours

Well done all

If you want to find somewhere to argue about the merits of arguing over arguments, I'm sure there's a philosophy forum somewhere that's right up your alley. The West Coast Board isn't it
 

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Aww i wanted to read 150 posts. Theres nothing else on this board to read atm, its going soooo slow
 
larrikin said:
Over 150 posts of crap in 3 short hours

Well done all

If you want to find somewhere to argue about the merits of arguing over arguments, I'm sure there's a philosophy forum somewhere that's right up your alley. The West Coast Board isn't it
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Oh come on larri, you just deleted some quality posts that were on topic.
For instance, how bringing in experienced players to a young group is beneficial, as shown by chick and stenglein. But how Wells is far from an ideal candidate, as he is lazy, inconsistent and doesn't bring any leadership qualities to the table, hardly a recipe for a long career which will be needed for the trade to be worth it.
Trading for wells would have to be on the basis and belief that wells would improve, that a new environment would be significantly beneficial for him.

Lift your game :D
 
We are desperate for a player like Wells in our set-up. Someone who has actual speed and silky skills, is AFL ripe at 24/25.

Kinda like when we got Chick, (although diff player).

Easily worth a top round pick i think... or are some clowns suggesting we are 5 years away from a Flag Push....

Right now we have Kerr and Cox... half an AA midfield... this area must be complemented immediately, not when their bodies are broken.
 
drexel said:
We are desperate for a player like Wells in our set-up. Someone who has actual speed and silky skills, is AFL ripe at 24/25.

Kinda like when we got Chick, (although diff player).

Easily worth a top round pick i think... or are some clowns suggesting we are 5 years away from a Flag Push....

Right now we have Kerr and Cox... half an AA midfield... this area must be complemented immediately, not when their bodies are broken.
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How long a career will a lazy, inconsistent, outside player who lacks leadership have though?
Long term success should not be risked for short term gain as a general rule.
 

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We have a similar pacy outsider receiver with pretty good disposal on our own list. Hes also got bags of "potential" and is meant to be hitting his prime right now, after they've shown glimpses in the past yet continue to fade in and out of games. His name is Brent Staker. The sole difference is that Staker tries a lot harder, but just cant find as much of it as Wells does.

Do we really want to be giving up a 2nd round pick for a guy whos character traits and certain playing style attributes are similar to Staker. Half the board here are desperate offload Staker for the same amount, yet we want the North equivalent. Granted Wells is a better footballer than Staker but the principles still apply. Heres an idea, swap Staker and a late pick for Wells. Or better yet, we'll hold on to underachieving Staker and the pick and they can keep the underachieving Wells.
 
beatlesmith said:
How long a career will a lazy, inconsistent, outside player who lacks leadership have though?
Long term success should not be risked for short term gain as a general rule.
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Well Fletcher and Embley pulled out an AA and Norm Smith on the backs of inside, hardworking players.

If short term gain means a Flag threat, then i think that's the point of playing AFL.
 
drexel said:
Well Fletcher and Embley pulled out an AA and Norm Smith on the backs of inside, hardworking players.

If short term gain means a Flag threat, then i think that's the point of playing AFL.
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And look how they are going now? 29 and 27 respectively and both on the decline.
FWIW, fletcher and embley were hard workers, they ran all day and stood up when it counted, which cannot be said about wells.
We are further from a premiership than you think. I would much rather load up with plenty of kids than waste picks getting inconsistent, lazy 25 year olds.
If this year is anything like last year, our 2nd rounder will be between 18 and 24, pretty much where blease was taken.
Hypothetically, would you rather have blease or wells on the eagles list?
 
If we are serious RE long term. We should just trade Cox, Kerr and Glass and sweep up the draft since they are all 25-6 and will be finished by the time we have another era.

If we don't seriously push the next 2-3 years, those players will drop off anyway since there is nothing to motivate them.
 

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