Welsh

[Southerntakeover]

you cannot admit that with or without welsh the AFC ladder result would be the same

Why should he admit something that is in no way proven to be true?

 

[relapse]

The decoy for Scarlett excuse is the biggest load of dross I have ever heard. His average stats over the three finals this year are 7 kicks and .6 goals per game

 

[Cap]

Why should he admit something that is in no way proven to be true?

alright admit is too strong a word but you get my point.

 

[macca23]

The decoy for Scarlett excuse is the biggest load of dross I have ever heard. His average stats over the three finals this year are 7 kicks and .6 goals per game

Absolutely correct. That decoy excuse is garbage. As I posted on the other Welsh thread:

Yeah, and there really is a Father Xmas as well.

The man taken out of the game (Scarlett) had 14 disposals while the decoy (Welsh) had 4 disposals and failed to score.

Woooo Hooo!! That was a top notch move

by the way, better judges than you and I weren't too impressed with Welsh or Hudson's games.

Listening to 5AA late this arvo when they were taking the feed from 3AW, one of the panel said that they both had good minor round seasons before their finals failures.

Buckley quickly chimed in that they were recruited to help the Doggies win finals yet they were the worst two players on the ground.

Mike Sheehan went on to say that after such a poor effort yesterday, Welsh is in trouble, implying he could be delisted (a bit dramatic I know).

It was acknowleged that Hudson had a good minor round, but it was mutually agreed all round that between Hudson and Minson as rucks they didn't have the ability to take the Doggies any closer to a flag.

Look, others are entitled to love these two ex-pats as much as they like. I just don't happen to share the love.

The truth is that Hudson and Welsh had absolute shockers - disgraceful games. I'm at a loss as to why people are defending that.

 

[Cap]

I understand why people defend his, shit i still stick up for Richo

i would also like to make the point that I realise Welsh has talent, there is no doubt about it. But I do argue that his loss to our forward line impacted your position in the comp this year.

Jason Porps, Brett Burton, Simon Goodwin and even Luke Jericho offered exactly the same as Welsh did except they also provided versatility to the side.

With the emergence of Tippett in our forward line and the use of Griffin and Moran through the area (and maric) our forwrd line was better without welsh.

Lets face it in 2009 he would only be getting in the way of Walker

 

[Hondo]

I think the departure of Welsh & Hudson has to also be put in the context of the off-field behavioural problems in 2007 that the club seemed determined to address. Based on public comments by JR and ST it seemed that there was a small group doing the wrong thing, most of whom are no longer at the club.

When you look at the bigger picture of where the club was at in Oct 2007, improving the culture and bringing in youth were 2 priorities.

So it becomes clearer that when a couple of 30 year olds who both had documented bahavioural issues (Welshy was on his last strike) started playing hard-ball on the contract negotiations because they had other offers (don't try to convince me the WB came out of the blue for Welsh); the club decided they had become "would like to have if possible" rather than "must have" players.

So Welshy was only ever going to get a 1 year contract despite trying to wangle a 1+1 deal, and Huddo was not going to get what he wanted. Ce la vie ....

At the start of the season the story I heard out of the club was that the attitude of the players and general "vibe" was much more positive than at the end of 2007. The lads seemed to feel that everyone was now pulling in the same direction.

Now, while it's impossible to quantify what impact this had on 2008, its arguable that it had a positive impact on the on-field results.

 

[subaru]

yeah you've flogged a dead horse because you cannot admit that with or without welsh the AFC ladder result would be the same, but development would be worse

I am sick of repeating myself - so this is all I am going to say - did we have a forward that kicked 40 odd goals this year?
I am not saying we would have won the Grand Final -nor am I saying the squad should not be developed - I am stating that IN MY OPINION we would have been better off with him.
As for rebuttal of the decoy suggestion, I am only repeating what was posted on the dogs board. Scarlett had 14 kicks apparently - Dogs scored 12 points so some of those possessions may have been from kick ins. As I said, I haven't seen the game - but I would venture to suggest that Rodney Eade knows more about football than you or I.

 

[Alex99]

I am sick of repeating myself - so this is all I am going to say - did we have a forward that kicked 40 odd goals this year?

Clearly we didn’t but it did allow us to improve in other areas. It gave a forward an opportunity to have a break out year in Jason Porplyzia and also allowed us to get 20 games into young midfielder and 21 games into another who may end up in the midfield. In 3 or 4 year time those 20 games into Douglas and Vince may end up being invaluable.

Scott welsh leaving gave opportunities to Jason Porplyzia, Richard Douglas and Bernie Vince that may otherwise not been there.

By simply adding one player everyone else has to shift to the left and someone at the end of the line will miss out. Sorry but Scott Welsh leaving didn’t hurt us one bit, it helped a lot more than people realize.

 

[macca23]

I am sick of repeating myself - so this is all I am going to say - did we have a forward that kicked 40 odd goals this year?
I am not saying we would have won the Grand Final -nor am I saying the squad should not be developed - I am stating that IN MY OPINION we would have been better off with him.
As for rebuttal of the decoy suggestion, I am only repeating what was posted on the dogs board. Scarlett had 14 kicks apparently - Dogs scored 12 points so some of those possessions may have been from kick ins. As I said, I haven't seen the game - but I would venture to suggest that Rodney Eade knows more about football than you or I.

That is what I would call absolute desperation.

Supporting a factually incorrect concoction by suggesting an equally factually incorrect concoction - in a game that you didn't see.

Unbelievable!!

PS Rodney Eade didn't post that concoction on the Dogs Board either.

 

[Mismatched]

I am sick of repeating myself - so this is all I am going to say - did we have a forward that kicked 40 odd goals this year?
I am not saying we would have won the Grand Final -nor am I saying the squad should not be developed - I am stating that IN MY OPINION we would have been better off with him.
As for rebuttal of the decoy suggestion, I am only repeating what was posted on the dogs board. Scarlett had 14 kicks apparently - Dogs scored 12 points so some of those possessions may have been from kick ins.As I said, I haven't seen the game - but I would venture to suggest that Rodney Eade knows more about football than you or I.

Doesn't matter if they we didn't predict them doing so preseason, if it weren't for injuries, chances are we would have had 2, possibly 3 blokes hit 40 goals. Brett Burton had 34 from 13, on track to kick 60 odd goals, playing a similar role to Welsh. Porplyzia had 32 from 18, many of which were ruined by his shoulder popping out. We had 40 plus goal a year forwards, they were hit by injury.

Yes Welsh would have been handy, I agree, but he wasn't going to be the difference between us winning the GF or even making it and not doing so. What it did allow however, is us to blood some youngsters and put some invaluable gametime into them, similar to the Hudson senario, if he was still here, would we have seen Griffin step up and play as he did early in the season and later on Maric thrill us all with his controlled aggression and passion at the footy. We may have seen even less of Tippet and perhaps not even seen Moran.

 

[marvin]

I am sick of repeating myself - so this is all I am going to say - did we have a forward that kicked 40 odd goals this year?

You're not really repeating yourself. You used to moan that we didn't have a forward to kick 50 goals this year, till Welsh fell short of that.

 

[subaru]

That is what I would call absolute desperation.

Supporting a factually incorrect concoction by suggesting an equally factually incorrect concoction - in a game that you didn't see.

Unbelievable!!

PS Rodney Eade didn't post that concoction on the Dogs Board either.

I admitted to not seeing the game.......................
All I did was pose a question and refer to a post on another board ...

Sorry......................................................

FFS

 

[subaru]

You're not really repeating yourself. You used to moan that we didn't have a forward to kick 50 goals this year, till Welsh fell short of that.

And our forwards this year were red hot - weren't they.

 

[kaij10]

Not suprised with Welsh, he is still a dudd! The only difference this season was that he was in a better team resulting in better inside 50 deliver to him compared to that of which he received from the Crows

 

[relapse]

I am sick of repeating myself - so this is all I am going to say - did we have a forward that kicked 40 odd goals this year?
I am not saying we would have won the Grand Final -nor am I saying the squad should not be developed - I am stating that IN MY OPINION we would have been better off with him.

That is a pretty uninformed comment, have you forgotten that Burton got injured 2/3 through the season ??? Prior to Burton injuring his knee he was on track to a 50 goal season. Had he played for the whole season he would have easily kicked over 40 goals.

Porps would have come close to 40 if it wasnt for his shoulder injury.

Welsh would kick 40-50 for us that included about 20-25 welsh specials which are the junk time goals against easy opposition under little or no pressure.

 

[subaru]

That is a pretty uninformed comment, have you forgotten that Burton got injured 2/3 through the season ??? Prior to Burton injuring his knee he was on track to a 50 goal season. Had he played for the whole season he would have easily kicked over 40 goals.

Porps would have come close to 40 if it wasnt for his shoulder injury.

Welsh would kick 40-50 for us that included about 20-25 welsh specials which are the junk time goals against easy opposition under little or no pressure.

That's near on 120 goals.......IF - point is they didn't

50 less 25 junk time still is 25 goals.....

I call that a tad uninformed

 

[DoubleBlueblood]

Not suprised with Welsh, he is still a dudd! The only difference this season was that he was in a better team resulting in better inside 50 deliver to him compared to that of which he received from the Crows

I think this is a good point. I don't know if Welsh would have done as well with the Crows this year as he did with the Bullies. At times our delivery into the forward line was terrible. Just sitting it on peoples heads. That doesn't really suit Welshy (or many forwards).

In the end whether you would have kept him or not I think alot of people from both teams are pretty happy with the result.