We're still soft and crap!

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Well considering your mob have been mouthing off constantly on the Richmond boards for months its hardly suprising that you might get a few comments after losing last night. At least the Richmond mods have a sense of humour when Parrot and co come across talking up Carltons amazing list!.

However as you will point out this is "your" board so all power to ya fella!


Go Tigers!

Actually they have no excuse to come over here and mouth off. They lack self control that is all, just as the Carlton posters who go over there and do the same thing do.

Commenting on moderation is not kosher on BigFooty but since you brought it up, it is a complete myth that Tigers mods do not issue infractions. They do. Usually they let it accumulate and issue straight out red cards. Just as our posters don't always see the work we do, Tigers supporters do not always see that their mods are also working away in the background.

My intent is not to comment on Tigers moderators, but to set the record straight to all Tigers supporters who think that their board allows the same thing that they get infracted for over here. It simply is not the truth and it is no excuse for their actions.

 

[true_blue_69]

Judd wasn't recruited to the club to win us Round 1 of the 2008 season, he was recruited as a class player around which we can build our group of talented young players and they can learn from one of the game's best. A player who will be at the club in 2-3 years time when Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Kreuzer, Edwards, Bower etc are reaching the best football years of their career.

The value of Judd's recruitment will not be realised overnight, it will come to fruition in 2-3 year's time, when he will still only be in his mid 20s. Anyone that chooses to assess Judd's value to our club after just one game in the 2008 season, is missing the whole point of why he was recruited.

your whole post Medium is Brilliant..... I have been saying that since day 1 of Judds recruitment.
1 man does not make the club or the difference....it takes the club as a whole & I for one have not been expecting a whole lot. Maybe a few extra wins for the season ..... but that's about it.

as I have stated in another post, I for 1 am proud of the boys..... we had a few inexperienced players in last night & I think they done their job right up until 3 qtr time (as the game was still in the balance....admittedly though we lost a 20+ lead in that 3rd qtr though)
as I have also stated..... Rome wasn't built in a day & it is going to take time to build this club back to where it once was.

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[Silvagnis]

you would have to trade murphy and gibbs to get your hands on scotty pendlebury, dont kid yourself lol, let alone thomas.

They wouldn't get a game ahead of Murphy and Gibbs if all four were on our list and we could only pick two players.

You'd have to trade your entire ruck division to get your hands on a Hampson, let alone someone like Kreuzer.

 

[Blues2008]

They wouldn't get a game ahead of Murphy and Gibbs if all four were on our list and we could only pick two players.

You'd have to trade your entire ruck division to get your hands on a Hampson, let alone someone like Kreuzer.

Stop being ridiculous general!!!

Hampson is just a kid who has shown a little bit, Krezuer hasnt played a game!!!

Penedlebury Thomas Wood & Fraser would walk into our side...

 

[HBF]

The value of Judd's recruitment will not be realised overnight, it will come to fruition in 2-3 year's time, when he will still only be in his mid 20s. Anyone that chooses to assess Judd's value to our club after just one game in the 2008 season, is missing the whole point of why he was recruited.

Exactly. Judd is still only 24, so in reality could have 7-8 more seasons in him, injury permitting.

 

[Blue Dawn]

Hey PooPoo my opinion is that you ARE an inferior team (on talent) so deal with it. Your mob wanted it more lat night and overran us to a deserved victory but don't kid yourself that you have more TALENT on your list than we do.

It was even obvious last night - the Blues looked a class above you when up and about in the first half. You simply don't have a midfield with anywhere near the skills of Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Simpson, Scotland and Gibbs. You'd be about the only person in town who'd dare suggest that Polo, Cogs and Foley >> Judd, Stevens and Murphy.

Your team fitness and intensity was better than ours last night but you're a fool if you think you have a list with superior talent. Time will tell i suppose - bookmark it and we'll compare notes in a year or two.

ps Would have quite readily given you guys Cogs and Polo for us to have been able to play Walker, Fisher, Hampson and Special K.

 

[DaveyBlues]

Hey PooPoo my opinion is that you ARE an inferior team (on talent) so deal with it. Your mob wanted it more lat night and overran us to a deserved victory but don't kid yourself that you have more TALENT on your list than we do.

It was even obvious last night - the Blues looked a class above you when up and about in the first half. You simply don't have a midfield with anywhere near the skills of Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Simpson, Scotland and Gibbs. You'd be about the only person in town who'd dare suggest that Polo, Cogs and Foley >> Judd, Stevens and Murphy.

Your team fitness and intensity was better than ours last night but you're a fool if you think you have a list with superior talent. Time will tell i suppose - bookmark it and we'll compare notes in a year or two.

ps Would have quite readily given you guys Cogs and Polo for us to have been able to play Walker, Fisher, Hampson and Special K.

Ok wtf? That's like calling your knob "Daisy".

 

[Mr Anderson]

It was even obvious last night - the Blues looked a class above you when up and about in the first half. You simply don't have a midfield with anywhere near the skills of Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Simpson, Scotland and Gibbs.

Your team fitness and intensity was better than ours last night but you're a fool if you think you have a list with superior talent. Time will tell i suppose - bookmark it and we'll compare notes in a year or two.


ps Would have quite readily given you guys Cogs and Polo for us to have been able to play Walker, Fisher, Hampson and Special K.

The Blues were better for the first 15 minutes of the second quarter only (MY opinion) at a time where the Tiger skills resembled the primary school playground level we displayed for most of 2007. When they actually remembered how to hit targets after that, possibly because the unfit Blue guns ran out of legs so the pressure was a little less, then all those other factors - heart, intensity, whatever you like to call it - came through. BUT skills talent wise, I'll give you Judd, but Foley, Brown, Delidio, Jackson match up well against those you mentioned. (taking your word for it that Gibbs does have skills - since I have hardly seen him with the ball, I wouldn't know)

Given a fit Cogs and Polo - I'd take that. While you're at it, a fit Trent Cotchin would have to be in this too, since you are claiming Kreuzer. You still wouldn't have a decent defender (don't give me that Setanta rubbish as a decent key defender) and we'd better match up in the midfield. Would have made for an even better game, and (MY opinion again) we'd have still won. Let's see them all on the park Round 14 and enjoy then.

 

[PooPooMcPhee]

Hey PooPoo my opinion is that you ARE an inferior team (on talent) so deal with it. Your mob wanted it more lat night and overran us to a deserved victory but don't kid yourself that you have more TALENT on your list than we do.

It was even obvious last night - the Blues looked a class above you when up and about in the first half. You simply don't have a midfield with anywhere near the skills of Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Simpson, Scotland and Gibbs. You'd be about the only person in town who'd dare suggest that Polo, Cogs and Foley >> Judd, Stevens and Murphy.

Your team fitness and intensity was better than ours last night but you're a fool if you think you have a list with superior talent. Time will tell i suppose - bookmark it and we'll compare notes in a year or two.

ps Would have quite readily given you guys Cogs and Polo for us to have been able to play Walker, Fisher, Hampson and Special K.

Scotland, Walker and Simpson are b grade midfielders whether you like it or not, Gibbs has a long long way to go. They are not as good as our second tier midfielders of Jackson, Tuck and Newman. Jackson and Newman have great skills and all 3 have good size. Tuck's skills are underrated and was forced to kick on left foot last season due to an ankle injury. Foley is a better midfielder than Stevens because he goes in and has speed. Stevens is soft. Coughlan and Polo will prove that we have a better 6 midfield group than Carlton. Foley, Polo, Polo, Newman, Jackson, Tuck is better than the 6 you have to offer. Gibbs, Scotland and Walker wouldn't break into our top 6 mentioned above. Walker has done less than Tambling

 

[BlueWorld]

Scotland, Walker and Simpson are b grade midfielders whether you like it or not, Gibbs has a long long way to go. They are not as good as our second tier midfielders of Jackson, Tuck and Newman. Jackson and Newman have great skills and all 3 have good size. Tuck's skills are underrated and was forced to kick on left foot last season due to an ankle injury. Foley is a better midfielder than Stevens because he goes in and has speed. Stevens is soft. Coughlan and Polo will prove that we have a better 6 midfield group than Carlton. Foley, Polo, Polo, Newman, Jackson, Tuck is better than the 6 you have to offer. Gibbs, Scotland and Walker wouldn't break into our top 6 mentioned above. Walker has done less than Tambling

Go back to the Richmond board. Go and tell them how good you think your players are. We know you're kidding yourself

 

[PooPooMcPhee]

If I grouped our best 6 midfielders and your best 6 midfielders together this is how they would rank. I'm not going to give bonus points to players with more experience either and I am assuming Cogs gets back to his best or somewhere near it

Rankings
1-judd-champion
2-foley-has the makings of a champion. I'd choose him always before Stevens.
3-cogs-hard strong midfielder, strong leader
4-stevens-skillful, smart, but he is an outsider so isnt elite like Judd
5-murphy-tough young talent
6-polo-tough young talent, great 1 on 1. Did his shoulder last year. But his debut game of 3 goals 30 possessions is quality proof
7-tuck-strong ball winner, skills not that bad
8-carazzo-strong ball winner, skills not that bad
9-jackson-hard nut, great kick
10-newman-very skillfull, solid player although he plays more in defence
11-simpson-skillful but not very strongly built
12-gibbs-long way to go, shows skill, but lacks hardness

This is a non biased ranking. Lets see the Blues fans with their ridiculous biased opionions rate their 6 from 1-6 and our 6 from 7-12. lol

 

[BlueWorld]

If I grouped our best 6 midfielders and your best 6 midfielders together this is how they would rank. I'm not going to give bonus points to players with more experience either and I am assuming Cogs gets back to his best or somewhere near it

Rankings
1-judd-champion
2-foley-has the makings of a champion. I'd choose him always before Stevens.
3-cogs-hard strong midfielder, strong leader
4-stevens-skillful, smart, but he is an outsider so isnt elite like Judd
5-murphy-tough young talent
6-polo-tough young talent, great 1 on 1. Did his shoulder last year. But his debut game of 3 goals 30 possessions is quality proof
7-tuck-strong ball winner, skills not that bad
8-carazzo-strong ball winner, skills not that bad
9-jackson-hard nut, great kick
10-newman-very skillfull, solid player although he plays more in defence
11-simpson-skillful but not very strongly built
12-gibbs-long way to go, shows skill, but lacks hardness

This is a non biased ranking. Lets see the Blues fans with their ridiculous biased opionions rate their 6 from 1-6 and our 6 from 7-12. lol

A non biased ranking from a Richmond suppoorter!

 

[Styxx]

I have been absolutely furious for years about our recruiting & development of players!!!

Now look at our top draft picks we have got over the years (Kreuzer will be left out, as he hasnt played yet!)

All the players are going to be good players, but no way are they a top 2 draft pick!!

Murphy- Comes close, but would much rather pendelbury or Thomas from that draft!

Kennedy- Although he is gone Pendlebury or Thomas would have been better option!

Gibbs- Joel Selwood is so much better its not funny, Gibbs moves well, but is as soft as butter..

Walker, certainly not worthy of a top ten pick!! wrong decision again!!

Although these players will be good & very servicable, a waste of a top draft picks!

MOST other picks we have had has been very disappointing to say the least.. Giggs, Harlett, Bower, Jackson, Betts, Jamieson etcc are not league footballers..


We have alot of work to do as a club & we can get all the number one draft picks we like but that means NOTHING!!!

What the bloody hell is wrong with you? Letting off steam or just trying to stick more knives in while the going is good for it?

Walker - Serviceable, his shoulder is going to be his soft spot for a while but in no way has he been an embarrassment.

Murphy - He'll be a great player but it's only his third year and only had his first full season last year.

Gibbs - Now I'd be standing corrected if wrong but wasn't Gibbs drafted at 17? If i'm right that means he's a year behind in development. He'll get better with experience and from what I've seen has a crack.

Michael Jamison - Yes, of course the kid will look bad...wouldn't you after 6 games of AFL football you have played on every major opposition forward ( Lloyd, Richardson etc) in every game you've played. The guy hasn't had a chance to learn and be able to do the fullback role yet so leave him alone at least he tries.

Betts - Always chases when not in possesion, can crumb good goals and probably would be the best tackler the club has. For a Pre Season last selection pick he's done his job and done it well.

Bower, Jackson, Grigg - Second year players? Jackson came off the rookie list last year and I rate him highly as a prospect. Bower seems to do okay but can also look like a delisting casualty in a few years. Grigg.....haven't really noticed him much so I'll look at him more in the next few weeks.

The only person I agree with you on is Adam Hartlett. After last night I hate him. The stupidity and senselessness of the act was similar to Matthews in 1985. He'll get suspended for a good month at the least. And frankly he deserves it. Give Hampson, Kreuzer or even Pfeiffer his spot they'll appreciate it more.

 

[Silvagnis]

Scotland, Walker and Simpson are b grade midfielders whether you like it or not, Gibbs has a long long way to go. They are not as good as our second tier midfielders of Jackson, Tuck and Newman. Jackson and Newman have great skills and all 3 have good size. Tuck's skills are underrated and was forced to kick on left foot last season due to an ankle injury. Foley is a better midfielder than Stevens because he goes in and has speed. Stevens is soft. Coughlan and Polo will prove that we have a better 6 midfield group than Carlton. Foley, Polo, Polo, Newman, Jackson, Tuck is better than the 6 you have to offer. Gibbs, Scotland and Walker wouldn't break into our top 6 mentioned above. Walker has done less than Tambling

Tambling has no second efforts and isn't as good as Walker's right leg.

He lost one contest and just sat back and watched like a passenger.

Walker is better.

Jackson is a tagger and has done nothing.

Zero rising star awards and no Brownlow votes.

Hadley is better than Jackson and a premiership player.

Stevens smashed Richmond last year and was BOG.

He's better than Newman.

Judd is better than Foley on one leg.

Simpson is better than Tuck.

Gibbs is better than Polo who is another tagger.

I think Richmond are going to need a few more Matrix men to replace Richo, Brown, Simmonds and Bowden when they're all thirty plus.

 

[Silvagnis]

Stop being ridiculous general!!!

Hampson is just a kid who has shown a little bit, Krezuer hasnt played a game!!!

Penedlebury Thomas Wood & Fraser would walk into our side...

You don't follow Carlton, so don't dirty the name of my club by calling them "our side".

Gibbs and Murphy are better than Pendlebury and Thomas, so don't get too precious about them being lesser talents. Murphy is made of greater stuff than Thomas after he's got up from that hit by Copeland and kept playing.

Ran off a corkie last night as well when I thought he was gone.

Murphy is made of steel.

Hampson beat Wood before he was even drafted and has shown more as a first and second year player IMO.

Kreuzer will be the player Fraser was supposed to become.

 

[soupofficial]

You don't follow Carlton, so don't dirty the name of my club by calling them "our side".

Gibbs and Murphy are better than Pendlebury and Thomas, so don't get too precious about them being lesser talents. Murphy is made of greater stuff than Thomas after he's got up from that hit by Copeland and kept playing.

but you're the bloke that suggested that collingwood's 20 year old reigning b&f winner wouldn't get a game at carlton in front of bryce gibbs.
both intelligent users of the ball, both with plenty of improvement in them.
last year gibbs got 20 or more possessions twice, pendlebury 14 times.
pendlebury's a bit more willing to put his body on the line too, and kicked 4 times as many goals in a comparable number of appearances.

credibility comes from objectivity, and being able to critically assess the performances of players. gibbs is likely to go on to become a valuable player for the blues, but i doubt there'd be a coach in the league who would pick him ahead of pendlebury in 2008.

 

[BlueBelle]

If I grouped our best 6 midfielders and your best 6 midfielders together this is how they would rank. I'm not going to give bonus points to players with more experience either and I am assuming Cogs gets back to his best or somewhere near it

Rankings
1-judd-champion
2-foley-has the makings of a champion. I'd choose him always before Stevens.
3-cogs-hard strong midfielder, strong leader
4-stevens-skillful, smart, but he is an outsider so isnt elite like Judd
5-murphy-tough young talent
6-polo-tough young talent, great 1 on 1. Did his shoulder last year. But his debut game of 3 goals 30 possessions is quality proof
7-tuck-strong ball winner, skills not that bad
8-carazzo-strong ball winner, skills not that bad
9-jackson-hard nut, great kick
10-newman-very skillfull, solid player although he plays more in defence
11-simpson-skillful but not very strongly built
12-gibbs-long way to go, shows skill, but lacks hardness

This is a non biased ranking. Lets see the Blues fans with their ridiculous biased opionions rate their 6 from 1-6 and our 6 from 7-12. lol

LMFAO! Since when do you have to be strongly built to be a hard nut?

Don't let Simmo's light frame fool you. He is hard at the ball and has sublime skills. For you to rank him 11th in that entire group of players is laughable and just goes to show how little you know.

Polo's debut is quality proof for what? Proof that you have convinced yourself that after one game he is a great player? Get your hand off it!! What has he done since? NOTHING!

And you call Carlton supporters biased

 

[kolchak]

Hey PooPoo my opinion is that you ARE an inferior team (on talent) so deal with it. Your mob wanted it more lat night and overran us to a deserved victory but don't kid yourself that you have more TALENT on your list than we do.

Definition of delusional.

 

[PooPooMcPhee]

Tambling has no second efforts and isn't as good as Walker's right leg.

He lost one contest and just sat back and watched like a passenger.

Walker is better.

Jackson is a tagger and has done nothing.

Zero rising star awards and no Brownlow votes.

Hadley is better than Jackson and a premiership player.

Stevens smashed Richmond last year and was BOG.

He's better than Newman.

Judd is better than Foley on one leg.

Simpson is better than Tuck.

Gibbs is better than Polo who is another tagger.

I think Richmond are going to need a few more Matrix men to replace Richo, Brown, Simmonds and Bowden when they're all thirty plus.

lol Gibbs better than Polo. Polo is alot harder and alot more competitive. I'd take Tuck over Simpson because Simpson is too small and is more of an outside player. Walker has done no more than Tambling. Tambo showed great signs in the 2nd half on Thursday. Stevens is not a better player than Newman, but he is a better midfielder

 

[PooPooMcPhee]

LMFAO! Since when do you have to be strongly built to be a hard nut?

Don't let Simmo's light frame fool you. He is hard at the ball and has sublime skills. For you to rank him 11th in that entire group of players is laughable and just goes to show how little you know.

Polo's debut is quality proof for what? Proof that you have convinced yourself that after one game he is a great player? Get your hand off it!! What has he done since? NOTHING!

And you call Carlton supporters biased

Polo has played plenty of good games and I'd back him everytime against soft Gibbs

 

[BlueBelle]

Polo has played plenty of good games and I'd back him everytime against soft Gibbs

Ha ha! Are you trying to convince yourself or me?

 

[Blue Dawn]

Definition of delusional.

Definition of delusional - that'd be your mob trying to convince anyone you have a great guernsey.

Carlton's kids have a LOOOOOONNG way to go but i'd bet my left testicle they go a lot further than Richmonds. Mind you, that's not a particularly BIG call.

 

[Warwick]

Hampson beat Wood before he was even drafted and has shown more as a first and second year player IMO.

Let's not be telling porkies now.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

If I grouped our best 6 midfielders and your best 6 midfielders together this is how they would rank. I'm not going to give bonus points to players with more experience either and I am assuming Cogs gets back to his best or somewhere near it

Rankings
1-judd-champion
2-foley-has the makings of a champion. I'd choose him always before Stevens.
3-cogs-hard strong midfielder, strong leader
4-stevens-skillful, smart, but he is an outsider so isnt elite like Judd
5-murphy-tough young talent
6-polo-tough young talent, great 1 on 1. Did his shoulder last year. But his debut game of 3 goals 30 possessions is quality proof
7-tuck-strong ball winner, skills not that bad
8-carazzo-strong ball winner, skills not that bad
9-jackson-hard nut, great kick
10-newman-very skillfull, solid player although he plays more in defence
11-simpson-skillful but not very strongly built
12-gibbs-long way to go, shows skill, but lacks hardness

This is a non biased ranking. Lets see the Blues fans with their ridiculous biased opionions rate their 6 from 1-6 and our 6 from 7-12. lol

You left out hasn't kicked a ball in 3 years

 

[Kramer1]

I have been absolutely furious for years about our recruiting & development of players!!!

Now look at our top draft picks we have got over the years (Kreuzer will be left out, as he hasnt played yet!)


All the players are going to be good players, but no way are they a top 2 draft pick!!


Murphy- Comes close, but would much rather pendelbury or Thomas from that draft!

Your a tool. Murphy has drawn the top defender most weeks, and still performs admirably. Thomas fannies about in the forward pocket. Pendlebury I would think has been equially impressive as Murphy, although does not get the same attention.

Kennedy- Although he is gone Pendlebury or Thomas would have been better option!

Yes because we should only recruit midfielders right?

Gibbs- Joel Selwood is so much better its not funny, Gibbs moves well, but is as soft as butter..

Selwood had a belter of a year, in a team with 8-9 midfielders ahead of him. Gibbs played by necessity, often out of position, and as we need to constantly point out, is a full year younger.

Walker, certainly not worthy of a top ten pick!! wrong decision again!!

Walker has been up and down at times, but is one of the top handful from his draft. With Heath Shaw, Stanton and Adcock the standouts, Walker is amongst a group including Cooney and McLean as the success stories of the draft. He strung together some impressive games last year as a damaging HBF, and then tried to play on under injury. Not sure why you are so negative towards him. Care to back up your ridiculous comment with some thought provoking insights?

Although these players will be good & very servicable, a waste of a top draft picks!

MOST other picks we have had has been very disappointing to say the least.. Giggs, Harlett, Bower, Jackson, Betts, Jamieson etcc are not league footballers..

With the exception of Betts, too early to judge any of them...and even Betts would not be the first flashy forward pocket to be prone to inconsistency.

Didak, Brown & Ried are all top 10 picks and all look the goods!!

What have Brown and Reid done that make them looks 'the goods', when Bower, Jackson, Jamieson etc are not league footballers? Again...care to put some backing behind your comments.