West Australians - do you want daylight saving?

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purplesoul said:
I find this just as reasonable suggestion as Summer DST. If I'm going to work in the morning when it's dark anyway, why not at least have some daylight when you get home in the evening during winter.
Because it's bloody freezing winter mornings. :eek:
 

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Because it's bloody freezing winter mornings. :eek:
Yeah, but it's freezing whether I leave at 6AM or 7AM. Anyway it is only a 5 metre walk from the front door to the car, and then 20m from the car park to the office.

And then there would be some daylight when you get home.
 

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Yeah, but it's freezing whether I leave at 6AM or 7AM. Anyway it is only a 5 metre walk from the front door to the car, and then 20m from the car park to the office.

And then there would be some daylight when you get home.
You would only get half an hour at best, plus there is nothing you can do on a cold winters night except sit in front of a heater. :p
 

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Totally pointless concept. Days are already longer in summer anyway, why do we need daylight after 8pm?
The only way daylight saving makes sense is to have it in Winter or not at all.
 

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Totally pointless concept. Days are already longer in summer anyway, why do we need daylight after 8pm?
The only way daylight saving makes sense is to have it in Winter or not at all.
Jabber can make good points.
 

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Totally pointless concept. Days are already longer in summer anyway, why do we need daylight after 8pm?
The only way daylight saving makes sense is to have it in Winter or not at all.
If you "saved" daylight in Winter it would make winter days shorter.
 

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#34
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If you "saved" daylight in Winter it would make winter days shorter.
?

Not sure what you mean there Frodo.

The days would be exactly the same length, just the daylight would be skewed toward afternoon.

Daylight saving in the depths of Winter (June/July) would just mean the sun goes down just after you get home from work. Would be good though I think for sports training and stuff though.
 

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Well on the shortest day of winter, it would probably start to get dark around 5.30pm. So if daylight saving was introduced it wouldn't get dark until 6.30PM. Sounds ideal.
 

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#36
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Well on the shortest day of winter, it would probably start to get dark around 5.30pm. So if daylight saving was introduced it wouldn't get dark until 6.30PM. Sounds ideal.
Yea I like that


Q...my mute point is that if you save daylight you must take it away and store it somewhere. Thus if it no longer exists the day(s) it is taken from is (are) reduced in daylight.

In reality we are talking about daylight time shifting and not daylight saving
 

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purplesoul said:
Well on the shortest day of winter, it would probably start to get dark around 5.30pm. So if daylight saving was introduced it wouldn't get dark until 6.30PM. Sounds ideal.
WOW 6.30pm, what time do you get home from work? as I said most people would be lucky to get home half an hour before it gets dark & for that you have to get up an hour earlier. :confused:
 

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don't really care. It would probobly just confuse me having daylight saving. I get confused enough trying to work out whe the cricket is going to start on TV
 

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#39
Frodo said:
Yea I like that


Q...my mute point is that if you save daylight you must take it away and store it somewhere. Thus if it no longer exists the day(s) it is taken from is (are) reduced in daylight.
:D. May I suggest a cupboard or perhaps a large tea chest.

Mind you, there are a few people on here who would be great at daylight saving because they are proven to be able to store the sun up their arse...

Frodo said:
In reality we are talking about daylight time shifting and not daylight saving
True, but the term "daylight saving" has been in use for quite a while now to descibe the system...
 

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WOW 6.30pm, what time do you get home from work? as I said most people would be lucky to get home half an hour before it gets dark & for that you have to get up an hour earlier. :confused:
If I leave work right on 5pm I am home at 5.15pm. But is more usual to get home at 5.30 - 5.45. Some daylight better than none.

Anyway, your saying most people would only get half an hour in winter yet pushing the barrow pretty strongly for DST in summer when you are guaranteed to to get daylight when you get home regardless.

No wonder you are confused.
 

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#41
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If I leave work right on 5pm I am home at 5.15pm. But is more usual to get home at 5.30 - 5.45. Some daylight better than none.

Anyway, your saying most people would only get half an hour in winter yet pushing the barrow pretty strongly for DST in summer when you are guaranteed to to get daylight when you get home regardless.

No wonder you are confused.
Not confused at all, in summer we are woken up an hour earlier by the sun rising earlier & the bloody birds, so no great hardship getting up then, so you may as well go to work, with the added bonus of extra daylight after you get home from work, to enjoy which you can in summer.

Winter it is hard enough getting out of bed at all, so getting up an hour earlier, for no real benefit isn't worth it, a glimpse of daylight but too damn cold to do anything after work, nope I will stay in bed an hour longer thanks. :(
 

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The pro daylight saving fanatics want a referendum without a trial period. They know once you have had a summer with daylight saving in WA a lot of people change thier mind.

The last three referendums all had trial periods before the vote. I was 21 in 1974 during the first trial. The novelty of evening light wears of pretty quickly and going to bed 1 hour after dark doesnt seem right.

As a parent and a shift worker for the other 2 trials it was even worse.

Most West Australians live on the western side of the time zone we dont need to move from standard time.

I admit the Goldfields could probably get some benefit from moving from standard time.

The good thing is if any of the major parties try to implement it they know voter backlash will see them out of goverment.

Just so every body knows... the majority of Australia is on standard time not daylight saving.
 

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#43
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Not confused at all, in summer we are woken up an hour earlier by the sun rising earlier & the bloody birds, so no great hardship getting up then, so you may as well go to work, with the added bonus of extra daylight after you get home from work, to enjoy which you can in summer.
Yeah, but when the weather's extremely hot, it can get to the point where its so hard to sleep because of the heat, and in the early hours after the sun comes up are often easier to sleep than 11pm-12am.

mantis said:
Winter it is hard enough getting out of bed at all, so getting up an hour earlier, for no real benefit isn't worth it, a glimpse of daylight but too damn cold to do anything after work, nope I will stay in bed an hour longer thanks. :(
Ah, but I can give you an alternate example. I like to go running for exercise (well I don't *like* it, but I try to do it). In summer, the heat is stifling, so its often nice to go running just after sunset as its more pleasant when the wind dies down a bit and the fierceness of the sun has disappeared. I don't want to be waiting until just before I go to bed to do that. In winter however, it would be nice to have a bit of sun around to warm it up a bit.
 

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#45
mantis said:
ROFL, Mr Q, please tell me how many degrees difference there is in winter between say 5pm & 7pm, I think it is only about one, two maybe. :)
In the official temperature, probably very little. However it is important to remember that the official temperature is not measured in full sunlight, it is in fact measured in the shade, thus the effect of being out in the sun is negated. If you are not in the shade during daylight hours it will be noticeably warmer despite the relative weakness of the sun in winter.

In the late afternoon in winter, if it was 15 degrees officially, it might be 17 or 18 in the sun. However after sunset, if the official temperature is 14, its likely to be 14 everywhere.
 

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In the official temperature, probably very little. However it is important to remember that the official temperature is not measured in full sunlight, it is in fact measured in the shade, thus the effect of being out in the sun is negated. If you are not in the shade during daylight hours it will be noticeably warmer despite the relative weakness of the sun in winter.

In the late afternoon in winter, if it was 15 degrees officially, it might be 17 or 18 in the sun. However after sunset, if the official temperature is 14, its likely to be 14 everywhere.
100% correct
 

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HA HA try finding the sun giving out 3 - 4 degrees difference in heat mid winter after 2pm, you people are deluded. :D
Sorry Mantis, of course you're right, standing in direct sunlight has no effect on the temperature. :rolleyes:

I guess by that time of day you're hiding inside trying to wall yourself off from all the evil West Australians around you.
 

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HA HA try finding the sun giving out 3 - 4 degrees difference in heat mid winter after 2pm, you people are deluded. :D
No. Q is correct and you are delusional. Just try standing in the sunshine at around 5.30pm in winter, and see if you are feeling as warm standing in the same spot an hour later.
 
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