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Given the number of crowd threads and comments it is pretty clearly CROWDS > SUCCESS . All us supporters battle each other over the crowd numbers and financials.
West Coast sets new AFL/VFL record & 80K members
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I thought that when i first moved - factor in indigenous folk though. When they had a preseason derby up here i reckon close to 80% of our aboriginal peeps were wearing purple - so i rethought things a bit.
Observations (based on this limited sample)
- GWS's crowds are very poor, relative to the rest of the league. Gold Coast have been thrown around the enormous state of Queensland, playing home games in Brisbane and Cairns, yet still out-draw GWS.
- Hawthorn and North sacrifice crowds by playing in Tassie. The numbers they sacrifice are fairly significant, though perhaps not as huge as some might imagine. Offset is developing new 'markets' for their club, and financial benefits of playing in Tassie.
- The next lowest four - Carlton, St Kilda, Bulldogs and Brisbane - are battling very poor form, which surely has an impact. They're four of the bottom five on the ladder
- After a generation on the game's 'new frontier', Sydney seem to have a core attendance of 30 - 35k which show up every week
- Is there a 'Big 4'? Not really. There's a 'Big 3' - West Coast, Adelaide and Freo, and then a decent gap to the rest.
- The Melbourne 'Big 4' remains Richmond, Essendon, Collingwood and Carlton. Substitute Geelong for Carlton if looking at 'Victoria' rather than 'Melbourne.
- Oct 3, 2012
- 12,815
- 24,538
- AFL Club
- Richmond
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- Oct 3, 2012
- 12,815
- 24,538
- AFL Club
- Richmond
2017 numbers? Why is this relevant in 2018?rubbery figures everywhere ...... wait for the financials, most clubs record the $s, some dont, why is that?
2017 numbers courtesy The Wookie
Membership, Reserved seating
- Adelaide - $23,252,578 (includes corporate box revenue)
- Collingwood - $23,126,822 (includes matchday)
- West Coast - $21,798,249
- Fremantle - $16,156,558
- Geelong - $16,039,108 (includes gate reciepts)
- Sydney - $15,585,482 (includes matchday)
- Hawthorn - $12,446,104
- Essendon - $11,971,985
- Carlton - $8,527,889
- Western Bulldogs - $8,469,489
- Melbourne - $8,057,900 (includes fundraising)
- St Kilda - $7,477,148
- North Melbourne - $6,593,189
- Gold Coast - $6,219,235 (includes gate reciepts)
- Brisbane - $5,530,944
- GWS - $1,840,186 (includes merchandise)
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Its sadly true. The crap is everywhere over here. Pretty much all the players with known drug issues have been from WA as well. Cousins, Kerr, Yarran, Garlett, Bennell, Chick etc.
I shouldn't joke about it really, the s**t is a scourge on society.
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- Dec 23, 2002
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Yes, they do, and the WA clubs have an additional burden in that they pay a royalty to the WAFL for the lease of their AFL licence, last year West Coast paid $6.5m and Fremantle $5.165m so their pricing needs to reflect that they need to recoup additional revenue to meet that requirement.
According to this article at the end of last year, Fremantle have the most affordable membership in the AFL for reserved seating tickets. https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/f...h-stadium-ng-9239295ccf7095c52e5658986b3a41dc while West Coast increased their cheapest membership by $20 despite the new stadium's increased capacity.
I think once you start to collect revenue way beyond you realistic needs, it becomes a bad reflection on the entity itself when it is a NFP. I think they should have to justify the reason they need to charge as much as they do to the ATO or they should be stripped of their tax exempt status.
Does an AFL club need to be sitting at $65m in assets with $43m in investments and $15m in cash when the club generates more than $60m annually from it's normal activities and in the rare instance when a stadium is redeveloped most of the funding comes from the government? What could possibly be the need to make more than $6m over and above any expense the club could think of spending, it is just either extremely poor budgeting or greed based price gouging of their loyal supporters. It is not the duty or the responsibility of their members to fund the amassing of a significant investment portfolio that the club doesn't need to perform it's function.
What they are doing isn't anything shrewd or good investment, it is just taking too much from the members that they have a legal duty of representing as a NFP entity. Fremantle is able to meet their requirements and make a modest surplus without massively overcharging their members.
Good effort.
If there was an audit of names on membership cards versus who actually uses the card, about 20k would be long deceased.
If there was an audit of names on membership cards versus who actually uses the card, about 20k would be long deceased.
- Oct 3, 2012
- 12,815
- 24,538
- AFL Club
- Richmond
Comparisons like these make no sense.
West Coast have 10/12 games against interstate teams. Thats basically their whole season, supporters show up to these because thats pretty much all they have. They also play a game every second week (except one of 2 in a row).
Compare to say Richmond. We played 7 games in Victoria in the first 8 rounds. 4 of them blockbusters against Blues, Hawks, Demons and Magpies.
Most people wouldnt be going to 7 games in 8 weeks. So if youre looking at the fixture, games against bottom interstate sides like Brisbane and Freo are the ones youre going to skip and stay at home to watch.
- Jun 22, 2008
- 24,580
- 21,275
- AFL Club
- Geelong
I work with a heap of blokes that had been on the waiting list for years. Funnily enough, the ones offered memberships this year with the increased capacity declined to take up the offer.
Rosters didn't really match up with home games.
They also said earlier in the year that there were a limited number of stadium memberships up for grabs (maybe 1,500 or 5,000, not sure). They were about $5,000 or $6,000 per year and you had to pay 5 or 6 years up front ($30,000 in total). They reckon they sold out within hours. Can anyone confirm these figures?
- Jun 22, 2008
- 24,580
- 21,275
- AFL Club
- Geelong
Yes, their members have really swollen.
Because this year's figures have clearly not been released yet?
All I'm reading is a whole heap of excuses for why Richmond supporters don't attend non-blockbusters.
Too many bandwagoners and not enough committed supporters, I presume.
- Jun 22, 2008
- 24,580
- 21,275
- AFL Club
- Geelong
Thay's a Sydney NRL comment about AFL.
AFL crowds and memberships are so big because there's nothing better to do in Melbourne.
Nah. In such a compromised league, it's as good a measure as any.
How does this look without Launceston? Terrible number either way.
- Oct 3, 2012
- 12,815
- 24,538
- AFL Club
- Richmond
Ah yeh na
- Oct 3, 2012
- 12,815
- 24,538
- AFL Club
- Richmond
Called reasons bud. Not every reason why something happens is an excuse.
If its pouring down rain, then thats a REASON why the crowd is is lower. If its a game against a bottom teams, its a REASON why the crowd is lower. Same as if its a game against a top team, its a REASON why the crowd is larger.
You might just have to come to terms with the fact that West Coast have more supporters than Richmond.
What do you think is the reason your numbers against top interstate clubs are so low yet ours show higher numbers?
My reasoning would be that we have lots of supporters who love a good game of footy.
What reason do you think richmond fans would have to not go see a good game of footy?
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Funny how its gotten to the stage where you can read the thread title and know this thread will actually be about Richmond instead of West Coast.
Let the insecurity of Richmond fans pour out.
Let the insecurity of Richmond fans pour out.
They've played Sydney, West Coast and Adelaide in Melbourne, for an average of 33k, which measures up pretty well - same as Collingwood, less than Richmond and Essendon.
North have played Port and Brisbane in Melbourne for an average of 20k. That suggests they perhaps don't give up a huge amount playing in Hobart, and it'd be well offset by the financial gains. Playing in Hobart looks like good business for North.
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