West Coast - When will the AFL step in?

[dmark]

They delist Jai Culley.... a 22 year old 194 cm mid/forward who looked great for the Demons yesterday and who would comfortably be in their starting 18, and now they ask for draft assistance.

What a disgrace of a club West Coast are.

All clubs at one stage have delisted players that have been picked up by other clubs no matter how they have been positioned in the comp at the time.

how is that relevant, a bit of the pot calling the kettle black on the disgrace comment. Melbourne travelling beautifully at the moment

 

[blackus]

WC can only dream of replicating what Adelaide have done.

You should be more worried about your own backyard.

This would be the funniest comment on BF. What dream is this old mate? The nightmare thats been Adelaide's last 28 years in the wilderness? Hmm I think I will take WCs record since inception to now in a heartbeat. Yeah we are garbage at present but we will bounce back. If my team from an AFL dominant state had the record of your team the joint would have been burnt down by now. Perhaps you just keep the blow torch on Nix and your team and win a few premierships before offering WC advice.

 

[Shueygod]

Forget about Culley being a gun player as we all know he is not but the question is would he be in your best 23 in 2026 ?
I would say he would easily be in the eagles starting line up next year.
23 year old dual position player with a big body in a period where the eagles need mature bodies

Over who?

He wouldn’t have a place in the midfield, competing with Liam Ryan as the third tall option.

 

[Purple Suit]

Eh? Keep up buddy:

• In 2022 NM traded pick 1 to GWS, who took Cadman
• WCE had pick 2 but split the pick for what ended up as picks 9 and 14, WCE took Ginbey and Hewett
• NM bid on Ashcroft at pick 2, which was matched. They then selected Sheezle and Wardlaw.
• Sheezle was a known 'vic metro mumma's boy' who explicitly told non-vic clubs he didn't want to go. Cadman was already off the table.
• Ergo, even though Sheezle was an option, the only viable choice for WCE at pick 2 was Wardlaw.
• Therefore, the comparison I provided above is between Wardlaw vs Ginbey & Hewett.
• The poster I responded to was suggesting WCE had made a poor decision to split pick 2 and Hewett was no good. I don't consider that accurate.

OK have caught up? Now try again.

WC had pick 2, therefore it had access to all kids except for FS (Ashcroft) and who ever North took. Like I said, you could have had Cadman or Sheezle if you didn't decide to split and trade your pick. Who is to say that North don't take Cadman if that whole deal falls over or you can't extract more out of GWS in the process of letting him slide to live pick 3?

You can't compare your actual pick 2 you had to Wardlaw who was the 3rd live pick in the draft. It's not accurate on who you could have had.

 

[Shueygod]

WC had pick 2, therefore it had access to all kids except for FS (Ashcroft) and who ever North took. Like I said, you could have had Cadman or Sheezle if you didn't decide to split and trade your pick. Who is to say that North don't take Cadman if that whole deal falls over or you can't extract more out of GWS in the process of letting him slide to live pick 3?

You can't compare your actual pick 2 you had to Wardlaw who was the 3rd live pick in the draft. It's not accurate on who you could have had.

Regardless, I’m taking Ginbey and Hewett before both of those players comfortably.

 

[Daka]

Why should the AFL help West Coast? over on the Richmond has passed North & West Coast thread,
A lot of their supporters are convinced their kids are better & are on the right path.

 

[Freomaniac]

Every Ali needs their Frazier, every Federer their Nadal, every Magic their Bird, don't you want a decent opponent to beat, the more to gloat over when you beat them?

And batman needed the joker LoL

 

[Freomaniac]

Hmm...

Player Comparison
Elijah Hewett​	Name​	George Wardlaw​
Eagles​	Team​	Kangaroos​
Midfield, Forward​	Position​	Midfield​
31​	Career Games​	35​
Swan Districts​	Origin​	Oakleigh Chargers​
May 27, 2004​	DOB​	June 11, 2004​
21yr 2mth​	Age​	21yr 1mth​
186cm​	Height​	182cm​
86kg​	Weight​	79kg​
2022 National​	Last Drafted​	2022 National​
Round 1, Pick #14​	Pick #​	Round 1, Pick #4​
Eagles​	By​	Kangaroos​
2025​	Stats for Season​	2025​
17​	Games​	9​
7.5​	Kicks​	9.3​
8.7​	Handballs​	4.4​
16.2​	Disposals​	13.8​
1.6​	Marks​	1.1​
0.6​	Goals​	0.3​
0.5​	Behinds​	0.1​
3.4​	Tackles​	4.7​
0​	Hitouts​	0​
2.8​	Inside 50s​	3.2​
0.4​	Goal Assists​	0.4​
1.0​	Frees For​	1.0​
0.9​	Frees Against​	0.8​
7.6​	Contested Possessions​	6.3​
8.5​	Uncontested Possessions​	7.6​
10.3​	Eff, Disposals​	7.2​
63.6%​	Disp. Eff. %​	52.2%​
2.6​	Clangers​	3.0​
0​	Cont. Marks​	0​
0.5​	Marks I50​	0​
3.5​	Clearances​	2.7​
0.8​	Rebound 50s​	0.6​
0.7​	One Percenters​	0.7​
0​	Bounces​	0.1​
73.3​	TOG %​	58.9​
1.5​	Cent. Clear.​	0.8​
2.0​	Stop. Clear.​	1.9​
4.0​	Score Involve.​	2.4​
248.5​	Metres Gained​	279.0​
2.9​	Turnovers​	3.6​

Player Comparison
Reuben Ginbey​	Name​	George Wardlaw​
Eagles​	Team​	Kangaroos​
Defender, Midfield​	Position​	Midfield​
60​	Career Games​	35​
East Perth​	Origin​	Oakleigh Chargers​
September 10, 2004​	DOB​	June 11, 2004​
20yr 10mth​	Age​	21yr 1mth​
191cm​	Height​	182cm​
83kg​	Weight​	79kg​
2022 National​	Last Drafted​	2022 National​
Round 1, Pick #9​	Pick #​	Round 1, Pick #4​
Eagles​	By​	Kangaroos​
2025​	Stats for Season​	2025​
20​	Games​	9​
8.6​	Kicks​	9.3​
4.8​	Handballs​	4.4​
13.3​	Disposals​	13.8​
3.4​	Marks​	1.1​
0​	Goals​	0.3​
0​	Behinds​	0.1​
2.7​	Tackles​	4.7​
0.1​	Hitouts​	0​
0.7​	Inside 50s​	3.2​
0​	Goal Assists​	0.4​
1.2​	Frees For​	1.0​
0.7​	Frees Against​	0.8​
5.7​	Contested Possessions​	6.3​
7.4​	Uncontested Possessions​	7.6​
9.8​	Eff, Disposals​	7.2​
73.7%​	Disp. Eff. %​	52.2%​
2.7​	Clangers​	3.0​
0.3​	Cont. Marks​	0​
0​	Marks I50​	0​
0.5​	Clearances​	2.7​
4.3​	Rebound 50s​	0.6​
5.1​	One Percenters​	0.7​
1.3​	Bounces​	0.1​
89.8​	TOG %​	58.9​
0​	Cent. Clear.​	0.8​
0.5​	Stop. Clear.​	1.9​
1.4​	Score Involve.​	2.4​
257.1​	Metres Gained​	279.0​
3.6​	Turnovers​	3.6​

I'm sure Wardlaw will be a gun, but it's pretty clear that splitting the Pick for Hewett and Ginbey was not a poor decision.

We have so many gaps across the list that we need to get creative to bring as much talent in as possible. Likewise, splitting Pick 3 for Baker, Graham and the best WA prospect Bo Allan last year meant we brought in some much needed senior leaders as well as young talent. Our best seniors unexpectedly had their careers cut short from LTIs or concussion, like it or not it was a list gap that required action.

Reality is if we just took the pick, the complaint would be we can't rebuild with one high end pick at a time and it's our fault for not being creative. If we split the pick we're idiots for not taking the high end pick.

Again... Your side did make finals for 6 years in a row from 2015 to 2020. And in 2014 and 2021, the 2 years you didn't make finals , you got 9th.

Again... You were creative in 2013. Traded pick 6 and 42 to Collingwood for picks 11,31 and 49. That pick 11 was Dom Sheed.

I remember the eagles did a trade at the 2017 trade period. Gold coast traded a couple of 2nd rounders for eagles 2018 1st. Eagles won the flag in 2018.

I am curious on what the eagles did with those 1st round picks from 2014 to 2020 outside the Tim Kelly trade.

 

[Cleric]

This would be the funniest comment on BF. What dream is this old mate? The nightmare thats been Adelaide's last 28 years in the wilderness? Hmm I think I will take WCs record since inception to now in a heartbeat. Yeah we are garbage at present but we will bounce back. If my team from an AFL dominant state had the record of your team the joint would have been burnt down by now. Perhaps you just keep the blow torch on Nix and your team and win a few premierships before offering WC advice.

You arnt able to separate their rebuilds vs their entire history?
If you couldn't tell I was talking about their respective rebuilds then I guess I should have spelt that out for you.

Sure, we didnt have the coke and meth culture that WC did, but we have done alright.
I would rather be in Adelaide's position right now than WCs.

 

[Shueygod]

You arnt able to separate their rebuilds vs their entire history?
If you couldn't tell I was talking about their respective rebuilds then I guess I should have spelt that out for you.

Sure, we didnt have the coke and meth culture that WC did, but we have done alright.
I would rather be in Adelaide's position right now than WCs.

I don’t see how you can call Adelaide or Hawthorns rebuilds the gold standard prior to winning a premiership.

 

[Cleric]

I don’t see how you can call Adelaide or Hawthorns rebuilds the gold standard prior to winning a premiership.

Why? Because there more to winning a flag other than a talented list.
A rebuild is resetting your list for a sustained period where you are competing for a flag.
You have a rebuild like North where its been going on for years and years, with PPs, and after that the team is still at the bottom of the ladder with major holes in that list. Then you have a rebuild like Hawthorn or Adelaide where they spend a few years down the bottom, they draft well, they recruit well, dont need AFL PPs or assistance, and are back competing with a young list and very few holes in their list.

That's the Gold standard. It doesnt mean that Hawthorn and Adelaide have done it better than anyone else ever has, it means that's what you hope your club does.
That's what all team hope happens.

 

[Shueygod]

Why? Because there more to winning a flag other than a talented list.
A rebuild is resetting your list for a sustained period where you are competing for a flag.
You have a rebuild like North where its been going on for years and years, with PPs, and after that the team is still at the bottom of the ladder with major holes in that list. Then you have a rebuild like Hawthorn or Adelaide where they spend a few years down the bottom, they draft well, they recruit well, dont need AFL PPs or assistance, and are back competing with a young list and very few holes in their list.

That's the Gold standard. It doesnt mean that Hawthorn and Adelaide have done it better than anyone else ever has, it means that's what you hope your club does.
That's what all team hope happens.

Because premierships are the entire point of the competition, players don’t play to compete.

A gold standard rebuild is one that results in a premiership, no matter the time spent down the bottom.

 

[Cleric]

Because premierships are the entire point of the competition, players don’t play to compete.

A gold standard rebuild is one that results in a premiership, no matter the time spent down the bottom.

Nah. A team like Geelong that wins a premiership hasn't gone through a rebuild.
Rebuilding is about restocking your list with players who can make the club competitive and competing for flags.
Theres more to winning a flag than just creating a great list.

 

[Purple Suit]

Because premierships are the entire point of the competition, players don’t play to compete.

A gold standard rebuild is one that results in a premiership, no matter the time spent down the bottom.

By that logic then, a gold standard rebuild is a Dynasty of multiple flags from the same group. This has been done 4 times in 25 years, the one hit wonders were a pass but not gold standard.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

By that logic then, a gold standard rebuild is a Dynasty of multiple flags from the same group. This has been done 4 times in 25 years, the one hit wonders were a pass but not gold standard.

I mean yes

Gold medals are meant to be extremely difficult to get.

I cant see any W.A club ever having a dynasty though. We both get too many injuries to ever get that lucky.

 

[HugeJohnson]

Should merge with North. North want to play home games in WA anyway so we're halfway there

 

[Obeanie1]

At the bottom of this ladder too.... (most recent AFL handout ladder i could find)
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And supporters of clubs with Northern academies think their clubs pay for the academies.

 

[Obeanie1]

They delist Jai Culley.... a 22 year old 194 cm mid/forward who looked great for the Demons yesterday and who would comfortably be in their starting 18, and now they ask for draft assistance.

What a disgrace of a club West Coast are.

Culley doesn't have the leg speed for modern football. After the ACL that didn't improve matters.

You will work it out soon enough.

 

[Lunchtime]

Part of the issue is list management. For example, why was Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

given a contract extension of 2 years? Was that really necessary?

 

[Obeanie1]

WC had pick 2, therefore it had access to all kids except for FS (Ashcroft) and who ever North took. Like I said, you could have had Cadman or Sheezle if you didn't decide to split and trade your pick. Who is to say that North don't take Cadman if that whole deal falls over or you can't extract more out of GWS in the process of letting him slide to live pick 3?

You can't compare your actual pick 2 you had to Wardlaw who was the 3rd live pick in the draft. It's not accurate on who you could have had.

How could the Eagles land Cadman?

He was picked before the pick 2 they originally held.

So how do they select a player who was already selected and gone at pick 1?

 

[Purple Suit]

How could the Eagles land Cadman?

He was picked before the pick 2 they originally held.

So how do they select a player who was already selected and gone at pick 1?

Then you pick Sheezle with your pick 2. Old mate keeps thinking the comparison is with Wardlaw who was the third live pick.

 

[iameviljez]

And Collingwood should merge with Carlton or Essendon lol

Why is this "or"? Collington Tiger-Bombers FTW

 

[Obeanie1]

Then you pick Sheezle with your pick 2. Old mate keeps thinking the comparison is with Wardlaw who was the third live pick.

Sheezle made it crystal clear he didn't want to leave Melbourne and was a major flight risk.

Wardlaw did the same.

Turning pick 2 into Ginbey (future captain) and Hewett is already paying dividends and is clearly a win from a draft point of veiw.

 

[Purple Suit]

Sheezle made it crystal clear he didn't want to leave Melbourne and was a major flight risk.

Wardlaw did the same.

Turning pick 2 into Ginbey (future captain) and Hewett is already paying dividends and is clearly a win from a draft point of veiw.

I just think you guys have had zero decent youth coming in or developed of late you have forgotten what A grade talent looks like.

It’s can be a slow burn but both players have been slow out of the blocks and aren’t exactly dominating or tearing it up. They look like AFL players but not sure they will become what you hope they do just yet. Not enough to take them over Sheezle or Cadman with hindsight.

 

[Aido97]

Regardless, I’m taking Ginbey and Hewett before both of those players comfortably.

In another thread you are calling posters from other teams delusional and then you post this.