We've lost someone

[Macca19]

No quotes, they mentioned he wanted to play with his cousins at Port; his recent issues might have played a part in things; and that a trade might involve Port's 2nd round pick and\or Thomson.

Yeah. As I said, Johncock to Port seems to come up every year without fail and without an actual quote then ill see it as just conjecture.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

If we dont get what we want, I would prefer to lose him for nothing.

Here we go. here comers all the Port Power supporters offering nothing for everything - hmmm what a surprise..

Johncock is still under contract so if we don't at the very least break even ie a player of equal calibre (someone who isn't a fringe ie Symes for Mattner) than he sits out football for 12 months. You just know Reid and co will be bent over on this one yet again. They will probably ask for Damon White again.

 

[fryingpan]

Excellent news. If this true its another player (one of the few we have), like Mattner, with toughness and flair moved on. You can guarantee the useless pr*ck running our football dept will trade for peanuts again. The "Crowbot" wins out. We will be the best disciplined outfit in the competition, also the most boring to watch. They might need abit more than "Rod Stewart Sings the Blues" to get people through the gate in future.

What a bunch of sanctimonous w*nkers the AFC leadership group are.

You wouldn't be saying this if we won on the weekend would you? Nor would we hear a lot of the other tripe some posters have been dishing up in the last 3 days on the Adelaide board.

 

[Stiffy_18]

If we dont get what we want, I would prefer to lose him for nothing.

We can't lose him for nothing because I am 90% sure that he is contracted.

If this is true, and not another media beat up, then I am pretty disappointed! Just because he was out of form in the second half of the year, it doesn't mean that his value as a player has decreased. He is VERY important to us, especially with McLeod's imminent retirement. He is one of the best small defenders in the league and before the form slump has been in AA form. You don't lose that ability in half a season.

He is worth more than Port's 2nd round pick regardless of what some of their knobs think. He is not worth pick 4 but he is worth more than their second rounder. This deal will be EXTREMLY hard to negotiate. No team would want to be fair and both teams would want to rip the other team off.

Thomson in this is just a non event. He is not demanding of any real trade value. He will either get delisted by Port or traded for a late pick.

If Johncock really wants out, then I suspect he will be our main chip in the trade for a bigger named player. A Didak or someone like that.

I don't think it will be a direct trade between Port and Crows. I think other teams will have to be involved. Port wouldn't want to trade pick 4 for Stiffy (and rightly so) and we would want more than their 2nd rounder (and rightly so).

 

[ams4crows]

don't forget how we got shafted by the bulldogs in the hudson trade we asked for a second rounder thinking it'd be 21 so the WB traded around and gave us bloody 30 instead still 2nd round though wasn't it!

who's to say port won't trade with other clubs and get later 2nd (or even 1st.....but doubtful) round picks and pass them over to us!

 

[AndrewJo]

Excellent news. If this true its another player (one of the few we have), like Mattner, with toughness and flair moved on. You can guarantee the useless pr*ck running our football dept will trade for peanuts again. The "Crowbot" wins out. We will be the best disciplined outfit in the competition, also the most boring to watch. They might need abit more than "Rod Stewart Sings the Blues" to get people through the gate in future.

What a bunch of sanctimonous w*nkers the AFC leadership group are.[/quote]
Can you explain that comment please!! Why are they?

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Johncock to Port

Varcoe and Thomson (on-traded) to Crows

Pick 22 to Geelong.


Dunno if Geelong be happy with that but if salary cap is a problem then maybe they would do it in this draft?

 

[Homercles]

Yeah. As I said, Johncock to Port seems to come up every year without fail and without an actual quote then ill see it as just conjecture.

I have no doubt you've been following these things more closely and for a lot longer than me. The lack of anyone being quoted in the report struck me as a little odd, but then I never watch the TV for football news, so for all I know it might be SOP.

 

[Macca19]

He is worth more than Port's 2nd round pick regardless of what some of their nobs think. He is not worth pick 4 but he is worth more than their second rounder. This deal will be EXTREMLY hard to negotiate.

Exactly. If we had a pick in the 10-14 range then id probably do it. But not for pick 4, and anyone that honestly thinks hes worth pick 4 is just as idiotic and a knob as those claiming the port supporters to be.

No team would want to be fair and both teams would want to rip the other team off.

Based on what? The trade history between our clubs has been ok.

 

[dplggr47]

If we dont get what we want, I would prefer to lose him for nothing.

agree; i'd rather see him at Melbourne, West Coast or Freo... best we could get from Port is pick 22 + Thomson...but Port don't even want to give that up, despite Johncock having a higher value.

...and no, giving up Johncock for Thomson and a 2nd rounder upgrade is not worth it.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Exactly. If we had a pick in the 10-14 range then id probably do it. But not for pick 4, and anyone that honestly thinks hes worth pick 4 is just as idiotic and a knob as those claiming the port supporters to be.



Based on what? The trade history between our clubs has been ok.

what about a swap of first rounders?

 

[crowman_23]

If it is all true it is about time we get fair dinkum and play hard ball. Those asking for pick 4 are being stupid, but IMO a late first rounder is what he is worth. That means either Port trade for a late first rounder or a third club becomes involved. There are some other players that we could get as a replacement in a three way trade, but if we get draft picks I think a late first rounder should be our minimum.

Would be extremely disappointed in Stiffy if he left.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Exactly. If we had a pick in the 10-14 range then id probably do it. But not for pick 4, and anyone that honestly thinks hes worth pick 4 is just as idiotic and a knob as those claiming the port supporters to be.

I think Johncock is worth a pick 10-12. He is a good player who makes the best 18 in every team in the AFL. One of the best small defenders in the league. He is NOT worth a pick 4.

Maybe a "fairish" trade would be Johncock and pick 10 for pick 4 and a 2nd rounder. I say maybe because its close to the mark but I am not sure that Port would be interested in trading down but I think it could be one of those win-win deals.

Based on what? The trade history between our clubs has been ok.

Trade history when it comes to fringe players. Johncock is better than any players we have exchanged over the years and as such, the stakes are higher. We are competing in the same market, for same sponsorships in the local market, for same kids trying to get them to follow us. The last thing either club would want to do now is give their rival a head start. Especially with the compromised drafts coming up over the next few years where regenerating list and becoming good quickly will be just about impossible.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

If we don't get a player in his prime as Johnock is (between 24-27) of equal calibre then Johncock sits out football for 12 months. As has been said Thompson is a non event in this trade as he would have been delisted anyway. The other option is a promising youngster who has the RUNS on THE BOARD not one of the "he could be anything" but has played bugger all football - ie Krakour.

If Port get Johncock and as stated Carr, they will be a much much better team next year. As they are our number 1 compteition, we should be doing everything in our power to make sure we don't make it easy for them.

BTW The next person who suggests we trade Griffen should be banned for stupidity. Isn't the object of rebuilding to retain your young talent - FFS

 

[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

Johncock and crows first pick for Thomson ports first pick and ports second pick

that equals

Johncock and pick 10 to port for Thomson Pick 4 and pick 22 (i think)

Sounds alright to me!
Good you havent suggested that other one on the drafts and trading board

This is pretty bad news.. although I wouldnt mind getting a 1st rounder for Johncock.

 

[dplggr47]

Johncock to Port

Varcoe and Thomson (on-traded) to Crows

Pick 22 to Geelong.

Dunno if Geelong be happy with that but if salary cap is a problem then maybe they would do it in this draft?

uhhh, that's the same as Port giving pick 22 + Thomson for Johncock...which it was mentioned that Port are reluctant to give up pick 22...not even for Johncock.

...and is Varcoe really worth pick 22?

lol...at all the unrealistic trades being thrown up...
Port under no circumstances would trade their first pick (nor upgade...4 to 10 is a big drop)... have to be realistic with what Port would offer. at this stage, they don't even want to part with pick 22.

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

What a lot of sarcastic tripe!!

Its only sarcastic when its intended to be sarcastic idiot.

 

[coast2coast]

i'm taking this report with a grain of salt. it had nothing of substance to back-up its claims. no quotes, nothing, nada. the reporter could have been regurgitating something he'd read on bigfooty for all we know.

 

[crowman_23]

BTW The next person who suggests we trade Griffen should be banned for stupidity. Isn't the object of rebuilding to retain your young talent - FFS

Agree completely. Can't believe all the people who are throwing Griffin into trades around here. Admittedly he will have the same problems for a while of bulking up, but hell he has the talent to be something bloody good if he can. I still firmly believe the combination of Maric and Griffin is the one to go forward with. Giving Tippett time there IMO is only to get him in the game while he isn't getting regular ball down forward. And for mine, I'm still not at all sold on Moran.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Exactly. If we had a pick in the 10-14 range then id probably do it. But not for pick 4, and anyone that honestly thinks hes worth pick 4 is just as idiotic and a knob as those claiming the port supporters to be.



Based on what? The trade history between our clubs has been ok.

2000 Pick 12 Matt Bode
2005 We offered pick 17 port wouldn't budge at pick 16 - Damon White.

Anyway, you're right Port would be mad to give up pick 4 for Johnock.

I think it will be a trade involving another club.

 

[Janus]

If we don't get a player in his prime as Johnock is (between 24-27) of equal calibre then Johncock sits out football for 12 months. As has been said Thompson is a non event in this trade as he would have been delisted anyway. The other option is a promising youngster who has the RUNS on THE BOARD not one of the "he could be anything" but has played bugger all football - ie Krakour.

If Port get Johncock and as stated Carr, they will be a much much better team next year. As they are our number 1 compteition, we should be doing everything in our power to make sure we don't make it easy for them.

BTW The next person who suggests we trade Griffen should be banned for stupidity. Isn't the object of rebuilding to retain your young talent - FFS

Hopefully the powers that be at AFC and PAFC don't share your thoughts. I would like to think they would be more concerned about beating whoever the pacesetter of the competition is (this year, Geelong) and winning another premiership then keeping the boot on the throat of the club down the road.

The fact that you don't rate Thomson at all is good - it means I won't have to worry about him carving us up in the tri-colours next year

 

[BunjiMac]

He aint going anywhere

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24320855-5006301,00.html

Johncock going reports 'rubbish,' say Crows

ADELAIDE Football Club tonight issued the most emphatic rebuff ever heard from West Lakes to dismiss a television report of Graham Johncock crossing the great divide to Port Adelaide.
The Crows described the report of Johncock – who is on contract to Adelaide next season – seeking a trade to the Power as "fabricated nonsense with no substance".

"Graham's part of our fabric, we're keen to keep him and any thought of him not being here next year is absolute rubbish – can I make that any clearer?" said Crows football operations chief John Reid tonight.

Johncock, 25, had a difficult season at Adelaide this year when he had to be stood down by the leadership group to refocus after a difficult series of off-field events.

A television report in Adelaide flagged Johncock being traded to the Power in a mix of a second-round draft pick and to-be-cut Port midfielder Adam Thomson.

 

[Cap]

oh well this thread looks silly now

 

[Janus]

He aint going anywhere

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24320855-5006301,00.html

Johncock going reports 'rubbish,' say Crows

ADELAIDE Football Club tonight issued the most emphatic rebuff ever heard from West Lakes to dismiss a television report of Graham Johncock crossing the great divide to Port Adelaide.
The Crows described the report of Johncock – who is on contract to Adelaide next season – seeking a trade to the Power as "fabricated nonsense with no substance".

"Graham's part of our fabric, we're keen to keep him and any thought of him not being here next year is absolute rubbish – can I make that any clearer?" said Crows football operations chief John Reid tonight.

Johncock, 25, had a difficult season at Adelaide this year when he had to be stood down by the leadership group to refocus after a difficult series of off-field events.

A television report in Adelaide flagged Johncock being traded to the Power in a mix of a second-round draft pick and to-be-cut Port midfielder Adam Thomson.

Thank goodness for that.

 

[RoosterLad]

I'd still take pick 4 for him.