What are the chances of Footy overtaking league in NSW and Queensland?

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is it really though? Context is everything here.

In Australia its true - the Aleague suffers because people would rather follow the EPL and european leagues, likewise the NBL and the NBA. The NRL and the AFL are the peak of their craft and every piece of evidence shows that they dominate the winter period.

fu** knows about china and south america, and its not relevant.
Afl & NRL are just the most established. It's coincidence they happen to be best in the world (although NRL for many years lost best players to rugby & Super League but that didn't hurt it).
What happens in the rest of the world is important because if what you were saying was true it'd be universal but it's not.
 

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Afl & NRL are just the most established. It's coincidence they happen to be best in the world (although NRL for many years lost best players to rugby & Super League but that didn't hurt it).
Soccer is older than Rugby league in Australia mate. Had a national competition before anyone else did too.

What happens in the rest of the world is important because if what you were saying was true it'd be universal but it's not.
its not important at all. Countries and cultural differences abound.

The Australian experience is quite different to most - not least because at the professional level four different codes of professional football is fairly unique (AFL, NRL, SuperRugby and HAL) and all vying for the same audience, market and sponsors. You can throw the BBL, and NBL into that mix if you like.

If you go to Europe, you'll find three (the rugbys and soccer), if you go to america you'll find 1 real one (NFL/CFL or Soccer) and a startup League comp. You go to asia, and its soccer.
 

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Many like to view Australia as a backwater, but when it comes to organised sport, it has a much richer history than the rest of the world, with the exception of the UK.
When it comes to the establishment of football clubs, only England and Scotland are in the game, the rest of the world will take decades before they start establishing football clubs.
The continental Europeans are relative newbs.
 

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Afl & NRL are just the most established. It's coincidence they happen to be best in the world (although NRL for many years lost best players to rugby & Super League but that didn't hurt it).
What happens in the rest of the world is important because if what you were saying was true it'd be universal but it's not.
To be fair, soccer is generally not overly popular in most countries with an indigenous football code. US, Canada, Ireland, Australia.
 

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This is a long & comprehensive analysis of the many major problems besetting RU in Australia.

Elliot said, re RA's Rights' deal with Nine & Stan

"The Nine deal is widely seen as the last best hope for the code".
(This implies if RU, after having 1 live FTA Super Rugby game pw on Nine's Gem, can't increase its following & GR male contact RU nos. etc., it is on a permanent decline).

Former Wallaby, & current RU journalist, P. FitzSimons said

"Rugby is on the bones of its arse right now...& what you're left with is a bunch of huge men, who we [the public] don't know, running into one another".







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2. sportingnews.com 15.4

Re SBS The World Game soccer website closure (apparently due to very low useage & click rates)

Long time soccer fan & soccer journalist V. Rugari said

""...about TWG...to lose a brand so strong- after all the cuts to football coverage [in the MSM]-is a massive gut punch that alone is devestating...".

Soccer promoter & soccer journalist S. Hill said

"Incredibly sad news of the demise of TWG. Football's media footprint continues o shrink".

I like soccer at its highest levels, I just don't care about the A-League. And I stopped using TWG a decade ago because I found better sites based in Europe for soccer news. I'd imagine many Australians who follow soccer are like me. Much like basketball, the best soccer can hope for in Australia is to be a niche sport feeding top talent to the big time.
 

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Big win for Aussie rules in Queensland with the Gabba to be rebuilt at 50k for the 2032 Olympics.
Lions will need to find a new home for a few years. Metricon will be used but they should also play some games at a Springfield. https://www.lions.com.au/news/56039...gfield-revealed-before-construction-commences
Opportunity awaits.
 

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Having no home for a few years is a big price to pay. Have a while to plan for it though. Maybe use the old ANZ stadium as a temporary fix? Would it work if you scrapped the athletics track?
 

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Having no home for a few years is a big price to pay. Have a while to plan for it though. Maybe use the old ANZ stadium as a temporary fix? Would it work if you scrapped the athletics track?
Possibly, but why would athletics give up their main facility in the lead-up to a home Olympics?
 

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Three years as in three full seasons?
That's a lot.
Mind you to end up with a new shiny 50k stadium afterwards, probably a small price to pay.
Might a good time also to re-engage with old Fitzroy fans and play a couple of home games in Melbourne.
 

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Possibly, but why would athletics give up their main facility in the lead-up to a home Olympics?
Because athletics will be getting brand new facilities elsewhere. They'd need to build a track close to the Gabba anyway to be used as a warmup track. It's not like they need the spectator facilities. I've been following the nationals there at the moment, and there's stuff all people in the stands.

The Lions can't go 3 years not playing games in Brisbane. Even if it's just a ground with a bunch of temporary stands.
 

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Because athletics will be getting brand new facilities elsewhere. They'd need to build a track close to the Gabba anyway to be used as a warmup track. It's not like they need the spectator facilities. I've been following the nationals there at the moment, and there's stuff all people in the stands.

The Lions can't go 3 years not playing games in Brisbane. Even if it's just a ground with a bunch of temporary stands.
Could they still play at the Gabba whilst it's being redeveloped, with one stand or similar being out of use?
 

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Could they still play at the Gabba whilst it's being redeveloped, with one stand or similar being out of use?
I suspect some sort of compromise staged demolition/rebuild like this will happen, with some games at Carrara, Cairns, Darwin etc. Maybe the Springfield Reserve for games against low-drawing clubs the Giants or Fremantle.
 

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Because athletics will be getting brand new facilities elsewhere. They'd need to build a track close to the Gabba anyway to be used as a warmup track. It's not like they need the spectator facilities. I've been following the nationals there at the moment, and there's stuff all people in the stands.

The Lions can't go 3 years not playing games in Brisbane. Even if it's just a ground with a bunch of temporary stands.
I could be wrong, but I just can't see Qld Athletics moving to an upgraded park in Woolloongabba from Nathan where they have all the facilities they need, including well established administration buildings. Plus the fact that if that it leaves QSAC without a tenant post-games, which is the sort of result the Qld government is trying to avoid.
 

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Three years as in three full seasons?
That's a lot.
Mind you to end up with a new shiny 50k stadium afterwards, probably a small price to pay.
Might a good time also to re-engage with old Fitzroy fans and play a couple of home games in Melbourne.
I'm sure their rental will go up as well to reflect that
 

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Because athletics will be getting brand new facilities elsewhere. They'd need to build a track close to the Gabba anyway to be used as a warmup track. It's not like they need the spectator facilities. I've been following the nationals there at the moment, and there's stuff all people in the stands.

The Lions can't go 3 years not playing games in Brisbane. Even if it's just a ground with a bunch of temporary stands.
The nationals just concluded at Sydney Olympic Park. Is that what you meant by there? Some decent results.

The MCG northern stands were built in stages over October 2002 to October 2005. Games of footy were played there with reduced capacity. However the Gabba is an enclosed site - at the moment - so only part of it could be staged.

They could start say after the Test Match in November 2026 and have most of it finished by March 2028. Do the final stage whilst 2028 season is on. If need be, push it out to May and the Lions play most games away from home and a couple on the Gold Coast in that 8-10 week period.

That would mean doing Vulture Street and Stanley Street ends during this 16-18 months with equipment on the ground and the western and eastern ends are staged with the equipment not having to be on the ground as there is space at those ends. So that's only 1 season and maybe a few other games lost. Still a decent price to pay.

I guess how new does the Qld government want the Gabba to be for the 2032 Olympics, will drive the start date.

The Cross River Rail was an important reason why they picked the Gabba and not Bowen Hills railway yards and the suburb next door Albion, with Woolloongabba station being one of six new stations in the $5.6bil project, with 6 of the 10 kms track being tunnels. It's supposed to finish in late 2024 and in service by early 2025.

In 2019 documents it logged with the IOC as part of its first phase of the bid, the Qld government had a concept design for 80k stadium, plus other venues and athletes village around Bowen Hills railway area and Albion. Then the IOC told them 60k stadium is fine and then they said 50k is OK.

The block to the west of the Gabba and Main Street is where the new underground station is going, with all existing buildings either already demolished or to be demolished. They were working on it when I drove past it last November.

What most people haven't factored in is that the Olympics is between 23rd July and 8 August, which raises several interesting questions. Does the AFL season end before the Olympics like it did in 2000 when the games started on 15th September? Does it take a month off say between 11th July and 11th August? Do they start early to compensate for the month off? Or do they finish the home and away part of the season early and then have the finals from 3rd weekend of August??

All that determines how much of the Gabba is out of commission in 2032. They could lay the track in the month of May, it only takes 3 or 4 weeks to lay the track, and then do all the relevant testing in June and early July. But if they want a full blown test event like the national championships, then that rules out 2032 as they would be held in March.

They probably could develop their new base at Springfield with temporary seats to have 15k to 20k and play some games there. They did put in 40,000+ temporary seats at Mt Gravatt stadium for 1982 Comm Games and over 30,000 are still there, as they only removed seats to build an eastern grandstand when the Broncos played there.

They have plenty of time to plan for it all.
 

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Only need three weeks off for the Olympics. Would be around round 17 so no need for a mid season bye or pre-finals bye - you only need to start the season a week earlier of have the GF a week later. 2032 won’t be a problem.
Hopefully it is not too late to modify Springfield design mid construction to allow for some temporary stands to boost the capacity from 10k to 15k+
 

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1. SEN Melb. G. Whateley program 21.4

G. Swann, Brisbane CEO, said the Lions were involved in the negotiations with the Qld. govt. to select the Gabba as the Olympic Stadium Oval.
He said:-

. "the Gabba will be a 3 level stadium, & the demolition will probably start 2025...not yet determined if the demolition will be in stages [allowing games to continue], or a total demolition".

. "the school at the back of Gabba will be relocated, possibly Gabba will be re-alligned, capacity to go further out into the park".

."some small games to be played in Springfield, others in Carrara. Might sell some home games to Melbourne, others to Cairns".

. "The build will be between anywhere from 2-3 years".

. "With the growth & everything that is happening here (AFL & GR growth in Qld. -my words), 50,000 is the perfect size for us".

(Scroll to 21.4 "Whateley Interviews G. Swann- then go to 1. min. 40 secs. - 4 mins. 50 secs.)

Having a state-of the-art 50,000 stadium, where the new underground station is close to the Gabba, is an huge boost for the AFL & GR AF in Qld.





2. Rnd. 1 of the VFL should obviously not be considered an accurate guide for the rest of the season, but Qld. 2nd tier results may be indicative of the strength of the Qld.'s former NEAFL teams Aspley & Southport. If the latter two can win 40-50% of their VFL games in 2021, it will boost the reputation of Qld. AF- & provide further evidence of the "elite" status of the QAFL., & GR AF growth in Qld.

"The NEAFL was supposed to have been a vastly inferior competition to the VFL...Brisbane extended their winning streak to 21, with a 66 point beating of Essendon at Moreton Bay, then Aspley defeated Port Melbourne by 53 points...". Southport defeated Carlton by 1 point at Prince's Park.
"Injury-ridden Gold Coast...went down to Footscray by 67 points at VU Whitten Oval".



EDIT:
New $1b Stadium: Gabba to be rebuilt as main Olympic stadium

Architectural rendering of proposed new Gabba Stadium

Architectural rendering of proposed new Gabba Stadium
Under initial plans unveiled by the Government, the Gabba would essentially be demolished and a $1 billion main Olympic oval stadium rebuilt in its place.
The Premier said the Gabba has been home to Queensland sport including cricket and AFL for 126 years.

Architectural rendering of proposed new Gabba StadiumArchitectural rendering of proposed new Gabba Stadium. Concept image by Populous.

Architectural rendering of proposed new Gabba Stadium

But to take it to that level will need the continued support of all levels of government including the Commonwealth.
“Every games needs a home,” the Premier said.
“A home for the 2032 Olympic Paralympic Games could be its crowning glory.
Formally known as the Brisbane Cricket Ground, the Gabba was been earmarked for upgrade because:
  • It is already well-used for AFL, cricket and other events
  • Is existing infrastructure already connected to the SEQ busway network
  • Is centrally located and
  • Will have its own Cross River Rail station already under construction connected to the stadium.
A potential upgrade would increase capacity to around 50,000.

It would also include a new pedestrian plaza linking the stadium to the Cross River Rail station which is currently under construction.
The Premier said having a main stadium two kilometres from the CBD gave Queensland an advantage other Games hosts haven’t had.
As a result, the Premier said, the entire city would become a games venue with hundreds of thousands able to share the atmosphere whether they were inside the stadium or not.
Thousands will be able to board trains at a new Albert Street station in the city and arrive at the stadium in as little as three minutes.


Current Stadium
Proposed Olympic Stadium

This made the games more accessible to people with disabilities and the elderly.
The Premier said the pedestrian plaza could become a games hub of its own with concerts and even medal presentations.
“I can see the river lined with people watching big screens all taking part in the fun and excitement of the games,” the Premier said.
“There’s South Bank leading to West End which is connected to Roma Street via the Kurilpa Bridge with a new bridge under construction for the new Queen’s Wharf development.

“There are city cats offering even more options for transport.
“All of this is infrastructure we already have.”
Minister for Sport and Minister Assisting the Premier on the Olympics Stirling Hinchliffe said the Gabba is a work-horse, not a white elephant.
“It’s used on average for 40 weeks of the year with major sports played in summer and winter including international sport,” the Minister said.
Brisbane Stadium Designing firm Populous had provided concept designs for a possible Gabba upgrade.
Director Chris Paterson said the Gabba satisfied the three rules of good development: location, location, location.
“Brisbane already boasts the world’s best rectangular stadium in Suncorp Stadium.” Mr Paterson said.
“This is an opportunity to compliment it with the best round field stadium right in the centre of the city.”
 
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The nationals just concluded at Sydney Olympic Park. Is that what you meant by there? Some decent results.
Yeah, but it's not like it would be getting 10k a day if it was held in Brisbane. Funnily enough we're probably as strong in Athletics now as we've been for a few decades in terms of depth. But that doesn't translate into big demand. We'd need a few gold medallists (or close to it) to drive that.

The MCG northern stands were built in stages over October 2002 to October 2005. Games of footy were played there with reduced capacity. However the Gabba is an enclosed site - at the moment - so only part of it could be staged.

They could start say after the Test Match in November 2026 and have most of it finished by March 2028. Do the final stage whilst 2028 season is on. If need be, push it out to May and the Lions play most games away from home and a couple on the Gold Coast in that 8-10 week period.

That would mean doing Vulture Street and Stanley Street ends during this 16-18 months with equipment on the ground and the western and eastern ends are staged with the equipment not having to be on the ground as there is space at those ends. So that's only 1 season and maybe a few other games lost. Still a decent price to pay.

I guess how new does the Qld government want the Gabba to be for the 2032 Olympics, will drive the start date.

The Cross River Rail was an important reason why they picked the Gabba and not Bowen Hills railway yards and the suburb next door Albion, with Woolloongabba station being one of six new stations in the $5.6bil project, with 6 of the 10 kms track being tunnels. It's supposed to finish in late 2024 and in service by early 2025.

In 2019 documents it logged with the IOC as part of its first phase of the bid, the Qld government had a concept design for 80k stadium, plus other venues and athletes village around Bowen Hills railway area and Albion. Then the IOC told them 60k stadium is fine and then they said 50k is OK.

The block to the west of the Gabba and Main Street is where the new underground station is going, with all existing buildings either already demolished or to be demolished. They were working on it when I drove past it last November.

What most people haven't factored in is that the Olympics is between 23rd July and 8 August, which raises several interesting questions. Does the AFL season end before the Olympics like it did in 2000 when the games started on 15th September? Does it take a month off say between 11th July and 11th August? Do they start early to compensate for the month off? Or do they finish the home and away part of the season early and then have the finals from 3rd weekend of August??

All that determines how much of the Gabba is out of commission in 2032. They could lay the track in the month of May, it only takes 3 or 4 weeks to lay the track, and then do all the relevant testing in June and early July. But if they want a full blown test event like the national championships, then that rules out 2032 as they would be held in March.

They probably could develop their new base at Springfield with temporary seats to have 15k to 20k and play some games there. They did put in 40,000+ temporary seats at Mt Gravatt stadium for 1982 Comm Games and over 30,000 are still there, as they only removed seats to build an eastern grandstand when the Broncos played there.

They have plenty of time to plan for it all.
Yeah that is the positive - there is heaps of time. It's not like they need to arrange somewhere in the next 12 months. Good question about the dates, but i'd be surprised if the new stadium was at all was an option for the Lions even early in 2032.
 

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1. SEN Melb. G. Whateley program 21.4

G. Swann, Brisbane CEO, said the Lions were involved in the negotiations with the Qld. govt. to select the Gabba as the Olympic Stadium Oval.
He said:-

. "the Gabba will be a 3 level stadium, & the demolition will probably start 2025...not yet determined if the demolition will be in stages [allowing games to continue], or a total demolition".

. "the school at the back of Gabba will be relocated, possibly Gabba will be re-alligned, capacity to go further out into the park".

."some small games to be played in Springfield, others in Carrara. Might sell some home games to Melbourne, others to Cairns".

. "The build will be between anywhere from 2-3 years".

. "With the growth & everything that is happening here (AFL & GR growth in Qld. -my words), 50,000 is the perfect size for us".

(Scroll to 21.4 "Whateley Interviews G. Swann- then go to 1. min. 40 secs. - 4 mins. 50 secs.)

Having a state-of the-art 50,000 stadium, where the new underground station is close to the Gabba, is an huge boost for the AFL & GR AF in Qld.





2. Rnd. 1 of the VFL should obviously not be considered an accurate guide for the rest of the season, but Qld. 2nd tier results may be indicative of the strength of the Qld.'s former NEAFL teams Aspley & Southport. If the latter two can win 40-50% of their VFL games in 2021, it will boost the reputation of Qld. AF- & provide further evidence of the "elite" status of the QAFL., & GR AF growth in Qld.

"The NEAFL was supposed to have been a vastly inferior competition to the VFL...Brisbane extended their winning streak to 21, with a 66 point beating of Essendon at Moreton Bay, then Aspley defeated Port Melbourne by 53 points...". Southport defeated Carlton by 1 point at Prince's Park.
"Injury-ridden Gold Coast...went down to Footscray by 67 points at VU Whitten Oval".



EDIT: AFAIK, the $1b does not include the demolition costs of the Gabba.
New $1b Stadium: Gabba to be rebuilt as main Olympic stadium

Architectural rendering of proposed new Gabba Stadium

Architectural rendering of proposed new Gabba Stadium
Under initial plans unveiled by the Government, the Gabba would essentially be demolished and a $1 billion main Olympic oval stadium rebuilt in its place.
The Premier said the Gabba has been home to Queensland sport including cricket and AFL for 126 years.

Architectural rendering of proposed new Gabba StadiumArchitectural rendering of proposed new Gabba Stadium. Concept image by Populous.

Architectural rendering of proposed new Gabba Stadium

But to take it to that level will need the continued support of all levels of government including the Commonwealth.
“Every games needs a home,” the Premier said.
“A home for the 2032 Olympic Paralympic Games could be its crowning glory.
Formally known as the Brisbane Cricket Ground, the Gabba was been earmarked for upgrade because:
  • It is already well-used for AFL, cricket and other events
  • Is existing infrastructure already connected to the SEQ busway network
  • Is centrally located and
  • Will have its own Cross River Rail station already under construction connected to the stadium.
A potential upgrade would increase capacity to around 50,000.

It would also include a new pedestrian plaza linking the stadium to the Cross River Rail station which is currently under construction.
The Premier said having a main stadium two kilometres from the CBD gave Queensland an advantage other Games hosts haven’t had.
As a result, the Premier said, the entire city would become a games venue with hundreds of thousands able to share the atmosphere whether they were inside the stadium or not.
Thousands will be able to board trains at a new Albert Street station in the city and arrive at the stadium in as little as three minutes.


Current Stadium
Proposed Olympic Stadium

This made the games more accessible to people with disabilities and the elderly.
The Premier said the pedestrian plaza could become a games hub of its own with concerts and even medal presentations.
“I can see the river lined with people watching big screens all taking part in the fun and excitement of the games,” the Premier said.
“There’s South Bank leading to West End which is connected to Roma Street via the Kurilpa Bridge with a new bridge under construction for the new Queen’s Wharf development.

“There are city cats offering even more options for transport.
“All of this is infrastructure we already have.”
Minister for Sport and Minister Assisting the Premier on the Olympics Stirling Hinchliffe said the Gabba is a work-horse, not a white elephant.
“It’s used on average for 40 weeks of the year with major sports played in summer and winter including international sport,” the Minister said.
Brisbane Stadium Designing firm Populous had provided concept designs for a possible Gabba upgrade.
Director Chris Paterson said the Gabba satisfied the three rules of good development: location, location, location.
“Brisbane already boasts the world’s best rectangular stadium in Suncorp Stadium.” Mr Paterson said.
“This is an opportunity to compliment it with the best round field stadium right in the centre of the city.”
I bet Whately is hoping they can have horse racing on the perimeter LOL
 

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Former Wallabies Morgan Turinui and Tim Horan have expressed their excitement at the news two Pacific Island teams are set to join an expanded Super Rugby competition next year.

But Turinui still holds fears that Moana Pasifika - to be based in south Auckland - will simply become a sixth New Zealand franchise.

Moana Pasifika general manager Kevin Senio told The Breakdown that "eighty per cent of the team will have to be eligible and/or have played for Samoa, Tonga or Fiji."


That meant those Moana Pasifika players "can't play for the All Blacks or Australia," Senio confirmed.

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"Kevin Senio... also works for the New Zealand Rugby Players' Association.

"So he knows the environment and he's saying they will have 80 per cent of players who are eligible to play for Tonga and Samoa and that's about as direct a link as we can find to those two unions at the moment.

"There is a genuine fear that it just becomes another New Zealand franchise. It's great to hear some info saying that's not the case but it isn't really cut and dried and clear for everyone at the moment."

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The second expansion team, Fijian Drua, is a simpler model.

The Drua - who have previously played in Australia's NRC competition - will be based in Fiji and funded by World Rugby.

Former Wallabies assistant coach Simon Raiwalui - now Fiji's general manager of high performance - will oversee the Drua.

"It's an exciting time," Turinui said.

"It will be a genuine, direct pathway for Fijian players in clubs, through to Drua and into the Flying Fijians national team. This will be the most important thing that's happened to Fijian rugby in decades...(all my emphases)".






ESPN L. Napier 15.4.21

Napier said

Pacific Island rugby on cusp of greatest step forward since turn of professionalism

"Wednesday was a landmark day for Pacific Island rugby.
They are not there yet, but New Zealand Rugby's decision to hand Moana Pasifika and the Fijian Drua conditional licences to join the 10 Kiwi and Australian Super Rugby teams from 2022 is the most significant step toward forging genuine Pacific pathways since the turn of professionalism.

It should not, of course, have taken 26 years to reach this juncture. But as the legendary Sir Bryan Williams remarked at the announcement, it's "better late than never".
Global rugby has benefited immensely from the spread of Pacific talent and the captivating skill Fiji, Samoa and Tongan athletes frequently produce. There is no one else like them on the planet. One could go as far to suggest the failure to return the favour by establishing professional entities in the Pacific before now was a cynical ploy to keep their talent flowing to the established elite [of non-PI nations] (my emphases, & words in brackets)".
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2. Aust. pro RU & RL have, from c. 2000, increasingly relied on Pasifica talent for players, & to increase the skill levels of Aust. Super teams & Wallabies' teams.

Now, however, since it appears very likely that Fiji & Moana Pasifica will have, for the first time, their own elite pathways/teams in Super Rugby (being paid wages similar to NZ Super players), there will probably be less of these very talented players (mainly from Fiji, Tonga, & Samoa) playing in Aust. Super & Wallabies' teams.
This will reduce the skill levels of pro Australian RU teams

Ditto the NRL.
Average skill levels in the NRL are in decline, according to c. 25 MSM RL experts recently, previously cited in this Thread, & "Eventually 3rd AFL Team In Sydney" Thread.
The NRL has been planning to recruit more Pasifica (& Maori) players away from RU, & into the NRL. P. Gould has been employed P/T by the NRL to assist the NZ Warriors to increase elite pathways in NZ, & the PI region into the NRL.

The probable success of the Fiji Drua & Moana Pasifica (latter based in South Auckland), therefore will be a significant setback for the NRL; & skill levels are likely to continue to decline in the NRL. Such decline will have an adverse impact on crowds, ratings, Rights' $, sponsors' $, & MSM interest in the NRL- & probably further reduce GR male contact RL nos.
 
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1. WWOS S. Worthington 21.4.21

Worthington said

Former Wallabies Morgan Turinui and Tim Horan have expressed their excitement at the news two Pacific Island teams are set to join an expanded Super Rugby competition next year.

But Turinui still holds fears that Moana Pasifika - to be based in south Auckland - will simply become a sixth New Zealand franchise.

Moana Pasifika general manager Kevin Senio told The Breakdown that "eighty per cent of the team will have to be eligible and/or have played for Samoa, Tonga or Fiji."


That meant those Moana Pasifika players "can't play for the All Blacks or Australia," Senio confirmed.

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But Turinui said plenty of questions still remained over the expansion franchise.

"The big thing about Moana Pasifika is that it's very much New Zealand led," Turinui told Stan Sport's Rugby Heaven.

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"Kevin Senio... also works for the New Zealand Rugby Players' Association.

"So he knows the environment and he's saying they will have 80 per cent of players who are eligible to play for Tonga and Samoa and that's about as direct a link as we can find to those two unions at the moment.

"There is a genuine fear that it just becomes another New Zealand franchise. It's great to hear some info saying that's not the case but it isn't really cut and dried and clear for everyone at the moment."

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Michael Alaalatoa of Moana Pasifika leaps during a cultural challenge at FMG Stadium Waikato. (Getty)
The second expansion team, Fijian Drua, is a simpler model.

The Drua - who have previously played in Australia's NRC competition - will be based in Fiji and funded by World Rugby.

Former Wallabies assistant coach Simon Raiwalui - now Fiji's general manager of high performance - will oversee the Drua.

"It's an exciting time," Turinui said.

"It will be a genuine, direct pathway for Fijian players in clubs, through to Drua and into the Flying Fijians national team. This will be the most important thing that's happened to Fijian rugby in decades...".






ESPN 21.4.21

Pacific Island rugby on cusp of greatest step forward since turn of professionalism
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Wednesday was a landmark day for Pacific Island rugby.
They are not there yet, but New Zealand Rugby's decision to hand Moana Pasifika and the Fijian Drua conditional licences to join the 10 Kiwi and Australian Super Rugby teams from 2022 is the most significant step toward forging genuine Pacific pathways since the turn of professionalism.

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It should not, of course, have taken 26 years to reach this juncture. But as the legendary Sir Bryan Williams remarked at the announcement, it's "better late than never".
Global rugby has benefited immensely from the spread of Pacific talent and the captivating skill Fiji, Samoa and Tongan athletes frequently produce. There is no one else like them on the planet. One could go as far to suggest the failure to return the favour by establishing professional entities in the Pacific before now was a cynical ploy to keep their talent flowing to the established elite.
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In some respects, that assertion holds true, but it's also too simplistic a brush to paint a vexed issue.
Much more could have been done but so, too, does natural migration play a big part in the many Pacific players who have, and continue to, represent the All Blacks and Wallabies.
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2. Aust. pro RU & RL have increasingly relied on Pasifica talent for players, & to increase the skill levels of Aust. & NZ teams.
Now, however, since it appears very likely that Fiji & Moana Pasifica, will have their own teams in Super Rugby (being paid wages similar to NZ Super players), there will probably be less of these talented players (mainly from Fiji, Tonga, & Samoa) playing in Aust. Super & Wallabies' teams; & in the NRL.

The NRL (where average skill levels are in decline, according to many MSM RL experts) has been hoping to recruit more Pasifica (& Maori) players away from RU, & into the NRL. P. Gould is assisting the NZ Warriors to increase elite pathways in NZ, & the PI region.

The probable success of the Fiji Drua & Moana Pasifica (latter based in South Auckland), therefore will be a significant setback for the NRL, if skill levels continue to decline in the NRL. Such decline will have an adverse impact on crowds, ratings, Rights' $, & MSM interest in the NRL.
Fanasty land. NRL is only getting more popular.
 

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