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As per the third team in Sydney thread, AFL playing numbers in the mid - North Coast area of NSW have more than doubled in six years (500 to 1100). In Coffs Harbour, two of the four RL teams have folded this season, so there are now two teams in each code and more adults playing AR there than RL.
 
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As per the third team in Sydney thread, AFL playing numbers in the mid - North Coast area of NSW have more than doubled in six year. In Coffs Harbour, two of the four RL teams have folded this season, so there are now more adults playing AR there than RL.
That's an interesting development.
I recall visiting an old mate who lived in Sawtell, and played footy for them in what was then a 5 team comp. This was about 30 years ago.
 

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As per the third team in Sydney thread, AFL playing numbers in the mid - North Coast area of NSW have more than doubled[almost tripled?] in six year. In Coffs Harbour, two of the four RL teams have folded this season, so there are now more adults playing AR there than RL.
I assume the GR AF club nos. have nearly tripled in 6 years.

AFLNSW/ACT stated 6.4.21 there are "over 1100" NCFL club competition jnr & snr players in 2021, cf c. 500 in 2015. Neither figure includes club Auskick.

Also, we know from experience that AF club & Auskick nos., everywhere, usually increase up to 6 weeks from the start of the season.
In the NCFL, jnr comp. started 18.4, snrs 24.4- thus nos. will increase to early June.
In 2021, with GR AF growing strongly, it is likely there are c. 300+ club Auskick players on the North Coast FL area, which were not included in the "over 1100" comp. figure (which was based on nos. current 5.4.21 only).

The North Coast FL goes to Lismore only ie it does not include the Northern Rivers area to the Qld. border.
North Coast school comp. AF nos. are also having good growth in recent years, which will provide further impetus for club Auskick etc. nos. in 2021.

Can you provide more details of the 2 snr RL teams that folded in the Coffs area? Orara Valley? Recent history of Group 2?
And details of Country RL Group comps. in NSW that have been forced to combine, due to lack of nos.?





2. This Footy Almanac article below from R. Gillett (part of the NSW Australian Football History Society) written in 2011, explores the history of AF in the mid North Coast.

He, & his family, organised the first snr game in 1977- an exhibition game- where the Coffs team could only find 12 locals who wanted to play; & the only opponents they could find were from the Uni. of New England at Armadale, 200 km away!
The match was played at Coffs Racecourse..."saplings that were used as goal posts for the first match of Aussie Rules"!

The Gillett article & Comments' section also mentions the decline in NSW in male contact RL nos. in 2011.
In the local newspaper, it quotes

"CRL loses fight for juniors".
A RL official is quoted saying "At some schools around Coffs, the kids play all the footy codes except ours".



These 2 links below are referred to by Walshawk, in his post above








Details of North Coast FL Teams In 2021







3. Daily Telegraph/Daily Examiner 31.8.20

Col Speed formerly coached Grafton Ghosts RL snr team.

Teasers state, referring to C. Speed

"Calls For Action On Junior Rugby League Crisis"

"Well respected coach voices concerns over the state of junior rugby league, as player numbers steadily decline".

(Behind paywall- can anyone open, & post here please).






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In the lower North Coast, RU also has concerns with player nos. for snr teams- & is trying to reintroduce a jnr contact RU comp. in the area.

 
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As per the third team in Sydney thread, AFL playing numbers in the mid - North Coast area of NSW have more than doubled in six years (500 to 1100). In Coffs Harbour, two of the four RL teams have folded this season, so there are now two teams in each code and more adults playing AR there than RL.
Can you post the link for that.
 

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Can you post the link for that.
My understanding is that, in the mid North Coast Group 2 comp., Orara Valley snr RL club, Nambucca Roosters snr RL club, & Sawtell snr RL Club are unable to field First Grade teams in 2021- probably due to lack of nos.

Walshawk
will probably provide the details you requested, re problems for Coffs Harbour-based RL clubs.


Sawtell, "...a mainstay of local rugby league...", announced 7.4 it is out in 2021, leaving Group 2 RL area with only "6 teams"..

D./Tele. 3.4.21 Teasers "Third Team Drops Out Of Rugby League Competition"

Mid North Coast "Group2 drops bombshell...third team drops out of competition".
(Behind paywall- can anyone open, & post here please).





2. For a very recent history of the growth of AF on the mid North Coast, Todman has provided a good summary of the NCAFL.
 
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My understanding is that, in the mid North Coast Group 2 comp., Orara Valley snr RL club, Nambucca Roosters snr RL club, & Sawtell snr RL Club are unable to field First Grade teams in 2021- probably due to lack of nos.

Walshawk
will probably provide the details you requested, re problems for Coffs Harbour-based RL clubs.


Sawtell, "...a mainstay of local rugby league...", announced 7.4 it is out in 2021, leaving Group 2 RL area with only "6 teams"..

D./Tele. 3.4.21 Teasers "Third Team Drops Out Of Rugby League Competition"

Mid North Coast "Group2 drops bombshell...third team drops out of competition".
(Behind paywall- can anyone open, & post here please).





2. For a very recent history of the growth of AF on the mid North Coast, Todman has provided a good summary of the NCAFL.
Hard to find good articles. I searched the facebook pages of those clubs to see if they were still playing. They are not. Sad for the community. Good for AR.
 

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My understanding is that, in the mid North Coast Group 2 comp., Orara Valley snr RL club, Nambucca Roosters snr RL club, & Sawtell snr RL Club are unable to field First Grade teams in 2021- probably due to lack of nos.

Walshawk
will probably provide the details you requested, re problems for Coffs Harbour-based RL clubs.


Sawtell, "...a mainstay of local rugby league...", announced 7.4 it is out in 2021, leaving Group 2 RL area with only "6 teams"..

D./Tele. 3.4.21 Teasers "Third Team Drops Out Of Rugby League Competition"

Mid North Coast "Group2 drops bombshell...third team drops out of competition".
(Behind paywall- can anyone open, & post here please).





2. For a very recent history of the growth of AF on the mid North Coast, Todman has provided a good summary of the NCAFL.
I just wish people would post links when they make a claim otherwise people can make all sort of claims without links
 

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I agree. Some posters here struggle with the truth

They sure do.

On that note, why aren't you able to produce links to counter the claims?

It is pretty straight forward

There are two Aus football clubs in the Coffs Harbour area and 2 rugby league clubs both with seniors and reserves. You need almost 50% more players for an Australian football team...ipso facto....?

I've had a quick look for you

You can check out the Aus football players on the rosters here:



...both have had 40 odd players listed after 1 round

Rugby league is harder which was Walshawk 's point as it is hard to find online.....but here is a facebook link from the one Coffs harbour team with the closest opposition on the fixture being 25K away in Woolgoola


Again, sometimes the truth is just to painful to face up to 😁
 

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1. There has been a significant decline in male contact RL nos. for many years on the NSW mid North Coast (& far North Coast- Northern Rivers to the Qld. border).

Queensland Times 1.4.16
Shortage of juniors calls future of league into question
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by matthewelkerton and Matthew Elkerton

"RUGBY LEAGUE: Following Coffs Harbour's decision to forfeit its round one clash against Grafton Ghosts in Under 18s this Sunday, Ghosts' president Joe Kinnane has called into question the future of local league.

"It is a bloody disaster because we have Macksville and Orara the following weekends and neither of those clubs have an Under 18s unit," Kinnane said.
"Coffs Harbour suggested they may not have sufficient numbers in the 18s which is also a shame for their club."

Despite concerns Macksville could withdraw from the Under-18s, Sea Eagles secretary Bill Richardson this week assured The Daily Examiner that the club would contest all three grades in the round one local derby against Nambucca Heads Roosters at Coronation Park Macksville Sea Eagles this Sunday.
"Two weeks ago we were struggling, but we've had a big push in the last two weeks from within the club and at this stage have about 15 or 16 registered players, another two or three in the system awaiting clearances and hoping to push that number up further," Richardson said.
This means the Ghosts will play an under-18 competition match in round two, followed by another in round four against South Grafton Rebels.

Kinnane believes with any lack of on-field action, many of the junior ranks could head elsewhere for entertainment.
"They are going to get about two games in five weeks," Kinnane said.
"If they are not playing football they will find something else to do. It wouldn't matter if Wayne Bennett was coaching them. If they aren't playing, they will find other things to do."

But Kinnane feels the lack of juniors issue is systemic in Group 2 football, if not all of Country Rugby League.
"I think it is a problem with other clubs too (why?)," he said.
"It doesn't look really good for the future of football in these areas. I think it stems right back to the junior leagues. Grass roots is a problem that the Country Rugby League needs to look at (emphases, & words in brackets mine)".







2a. This RL Feature writer, a self-described "lifelong" RL fan, on 7.3.18 is absolutely scathing on the poor RL culture & "grog" problems of RL on the mid North Coast. This poor culture would be a major contributing factor to the significant decline in GR male contact RL nos.


‘As you sow, so shall you reap’. The slow demise of Group 2 Rugby League.
POSTED ON 7 MARCH 2018BY EDITOR
Bad fan behaviour, a ‘neanderthal’ mindset from senior CRL administrators and a lack of vision and support for the ‘grassroots’ has lead to the once proud Group 2 Rugby League competition on the Coffs Coast becoming a shadow of itself.
By Oscar Le Grouch

Geography will be the unlikely and short term saviour of local rugby league following the withdrawal of Bellingen and Woolgoolga from this year’s competition.
This reduces the league to seven teams and it could have been worse had Grafton Ghosts followed through on their off-season threat to return to their original NRRRL abode.
Ghosts cited violence, abuse, and other unsavoury conduct as reasons for wanting to leave but in the end found it better to play teams closer to them that go trekking up to the border every second week for a game.

Bad behaviour has frightened huge numbers of supporters away, along with dozens of young players from league families who now play mainly rugby union or AFL.
Group 2 continue to bury their heads in the sand about this despite constant hand wringing but to be fair, in some ways they are in a vicious circle.
Grog is the source of most bad behaviour at matches and ironically it’s grog which keeps many clubs alive and able to pay players.

There was a turning point in the public’s attitude to local rugby league when a brawl broke out at the 2007 grand final at Woolgoolga and a policewoman was kicked in the head after being knocked to the ground.
There was little sympathy for the woman from one club official.
“It was the fault of the coppers,” he said.
“Should have known not to send a $%#@$%@ sheila to a football game.”

And thereby hangs the crux of the matter.
The Neanderthal mindset of administrators and their lack of foresight is the root cause of the demise of the game in this area.
At club level, at Group 2 level too but most of all at Country Rugby League level.
Surely the organisation known as the CRL must rank as the worst administration of any sport anywhere in the world.
So bad is their reputation at this week’s NRL season launch, they didn’t even get an invite.
For decades as the game in the bush fell further and further behind, they have sat on their backsides and allowed it to happen.
Nobody dares to speak up for fear of missing out on the (in)famous maroon blazer after 20 years of not rocking the boat, or, a snout-in-the-trough appointment as “manager” of a rep team on a junket somewhere.
Sad.

And the Group bosses cannot escape blame because of their silence.
Take an occasion a few years back here in Coffs Harbour with a visit by former NRL boss David Gallop to announce that henceforth touch football (!?) would be the main stepping stone (wow!)to a career in the big league (a contact sport!.
Group 2 officials should have been screaming the house down at that but…not a peep of dissent.

What about those people at grass roots club level?
Hard to say as they rarely get an invite to these announcements, such is the disdain for the hard work done by the little people to keep the game alive.
To paraphrase immortal coach Jack Gibson, it’s amazing the game remains alive with the appalling administration that infects it.

As for Bellingen and Woolgoolga, lack of first grade players is the reason given for pulling out.
Once again the players are getting the blame for asking for too much money.
The committees never get the blame they deserve for saying ‘yes’ to demands when they should be saying ‘no’ but that is not the culture of rugby league.
Look around and you’ll find hundreds of ex-players who should be on the field but for a variety of reasons have turned their backs on the game.
Many of them were “signed” with lots of promises by NRL clubs but when that didn’t work out, returned to the bush with most never to lace up a boot again.
So sad.

League always follows the rival codes. It lacks imagination and never leads.

Everybody wishes the Magpies and Seahorses well so they may return in 2019 but unfortunately, the missed opportunities and lack of vision by rugby league administrators is unlikely to change and for a code once number one in the bush, it will continue to remain at the fourth (!Wow?) level as it now is in this region [mid North Coast].
As you sow, so shall you reap (emphases & words in bracket, mine)".


“CRL administrators have a lot to answer for”

Oscar le Grouch is a retired journalist now based on the Coffs Coast with many years experience in the profession. He is also a lifelong league/sports fan.






2b.See more about this story here: https://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/news/pulled-out-group-2-reduced-to-eight-club-competiti/3348342/

"Woolgoolga Secretary P. Dwyer said only fielding an U18 side in the snr comp. is a blow to the seaside town".

"It really comes down to the economics of playing country football. The reality is players expect to be paid large amounts of money each week to play".
 
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1. There has been a significant decline in male contact RL nos. for many years on the NSW mid North Coast (& far North Coast- Northern Rivers to the Qld. border).

Queensland Times 1.4.16
Shortage of juniors calls future of league into question
matthewelkerton

by matthewelkerton and Matthew Elkerton

"RUGBY LEAGUE: Following Coffs Harbour's decision to forfeit its round one clash against Grafton Ghosts in Under 18s this Sunday, Ghosts' president Joe Kinnane has called into question the future of local league.

"It is a bloody disaster because we have Macksville and Orara the following weekends and neither of those clubs have an Under 18s unit," Kinnane said.
"Coffs Harbour suggested they may not have sufficient numbers in the 18s which is also a shame for their club."

Despite concerns Macksville could withdraw from the Under-18s, Sea Eagles secretary Bill Richardson this week assured The Daily Examiner that the club would contest all three grades in the round one local derby against Nambucca Heads Roosters at Coronation Park Macksville Sea Eagles this Sunday.
"Two weeks ago we were struggling, but we've had a big push in the last two weeks from within the club and at this stage have about 15 or 16 registered players, another two or three in the system awaiting clearances and hoping to push that number up further," Richardson said.
This means the Ghosts will play an under-18 competition match in round two, followed by another in round four against South Grafton Rebels.

Kinnane believes with any lack of on-field action, many of the junior ranks could head elsewhere for entertainment.
"They are going to get about two games in five weeks," Kinnane said.
"If they are not playing football they will find something else to do. It wouldn't matter if Wayne Bennett was coaching them. If they aren't playing, they will find other things to do."

But Kinnane feels the lack of juniors issue is systemic in Group 2 football, if not all of Country Rugby League.
"I think it is a problem with other clubs too," he said.
"It doesn't look really good for the future of football in these areas. I think it stems right back to the junior leagues. Grass roots is a problem that the Country Rugby League needs to look at (all emphases mine)".







2a. This RL Feature writer, a self-described "lifelong" RL fan, on 7.3.18 is absolutely scathing on the poor RL culture & "grog" problems of RL on the mid North Coast. This poor culture would be a major contributing factor to the significant decline in GR male contact RL nos.


‘As you sow, so shall you reap’. The slow demise of Group 2 Rugby League.
POSTED ON 7 MARCH 2018BY EDITOR
Bad fan behaviour, a ‘neanderthal’ mindset from senior CRL administrators and a lack of vision and support for the ‘grassroots’ has lead to the once proud Group 2 Rugby League competition on the Coffs Coast becoming a shadow of itself.
By Oscar Le Grouch

Geography will be the unlikely and short term saviour of local rugby league following the withdrawal of Bellingen and Woolgoolga from this year’s competition.
This reduces the league to seven teams and it could have been worse had Grafton Ghosts followed through on their off-season threat to return to their original NRRRL abode.
Ghosts cited violence, abuse, and other unsavoury conduct as reasons for wanting to leave but in the end found it better to play teams closer to them that go trekking up to the border every second week for a game.

Bad behaviour has frightened huge numbers of supporters away, along with dozens of young players from league families who now play mainly rugby union or AFL.
Group 2 continue to bury their heads in the sand about this despite constant hand wringing but to be fair, in some ways they are in a vicious circle.
Grog is the source of most bad behaviour at matches and ironically it’s grog which keeps many clubs alive and able to pay players.

There was a turning point in the public’s attitude to local rugby league when a brawl broke out at the 2007 grand final at Woolgoolga and a policewoman was kicked in the head after being knocked to the ground.
There was little sympathy for the woman from one club official.
“It was the fault of the coppers,” he said.
“Should have known not to send a $%#@$%@ sheila to a football game.”

And thereby hangs the crux of the matter.
The Neanderthal mindset of administrators and their lack of foresight is the root cause of the demise of the game in this area.
At club level, at Group 2 level too but most of all at Country Rugby League level.
Surely the organisation known as the CRL must rank as the worst administration of any sport anywhere in the world.
So bad is their reputation at this week’s NRL season launch, they didn’t even get an invite.
For decades as the game in the bush fell further and further behind, they have sat on their backsides and allowed it to happen.
Nobody dares to speak up for fear of missing out on the (in)famous maroon blazer after 20 years of not rocking the boat, or, a snout-in-the-trough appointment as “manager” of a rep team on a junket somewhere.
Sad.

And the Group bosses cannot escape blame because of their silence.
Take an occasion a few years back here in Coffs Harbour with a visit by former NRL boss David Gallop to announce that henceforth touch football (!?) would be the main stepping stone to a career in the big league.
Group 2 officials should have been screaming the house down at that but…not a peep of dissent.

What about those people at grass roots club level?
Hard to say as they rarely get an invite to these announcements, such is the disdain for the hard work done by the little people to keep the game alive.
To paraphrase immortal coach Jack Gibson, it’s amazing the game remains alive with the appalling administration that infects it.

As for Bellingen and Woolgoolga, lack of first grade players is the reason given for pulling out.
Once again the players are getting the blame for asking for too much money.
The committees never get the blame they deserve for saying ‘yes’ to demands when they should be saying ‘no’ but that is not the culture of rugby league.
Look around and you’ll find hundreds of ex-players who should be on the field but for a variety of reasons have turned their backs on the game.
Many of them were “signed” with lots of promises by NRL clubs but when that didn’t work out, returned to the bush with most never to lace up a boot again.
So sad.

League always follows the rival codes. It lacks imagination and never leads.

Everybody wishes the Magpies and Seahorses well so they may return in 2019 but unfortunately, the missed opportunities and lack of vision by rugby league administrators is unlikely to change and for a code once number one in the bush, it will continue to remain at the fourth (!Wow?) level as it now is in this region [mid North Coast].
As you sow, so shall you reap (emphases & words in bracket, mine)".


“CRL administrators have a lot to answer for”

Oscar le Grouch is a retired journalist now based on the Coffs Coast with many years experience in the profession. He is also a lifelong league/sports fan.






2b.See more about this story here: https://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/news/pulled-out-group-2-reduced-to-eight-club-competiti/3348342/

"Woolgoolga Secretary P. Dwyer said only fielding an U18 side in the snr comp. is a blow to the seaside town".

"It really comes down to the economics of playing country football. The reality is players expect to be paid large amounts of money each week to play".
All sports in Victoria are showing a decline in junior numbers
Football was suffering from lack of junior 5 years ago
 

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All sports in Victoria are showing a decline in junior numbers
Football was suffering from lack of junior 5 years ago
Hmmm - I note you had to dig up an old article from a rural region (which I know very very well) with a declining population, just as the article specifically stated - "... It’s a population thing and we can’t do anything about it. ... the farms ... are getting bigger, they are not employing anyone anymore. ...".

Anyway the good news is that since that article, the club in question has actually thrived, winning their first premiership in 36 years -

Despite a total town population of less than 300, Great Western fields a seniors, reserves, under 16 and under 12 Australian Football teams and they are premiership favourites again this year.

Meanwhile my local club, the Ascot Vale Panthers in inner suburban Melbourn literally had no junior team at all just 10 years ago - just a superules team. We now have multiple junior teams and bursting at the seams with so many players we can hardly accept many more - while the local soccer club just up the road which was thriving a few years back is now really struggling to attract sufficient players to keep going. Australian Football remains very much dominant in Victorian participation, with soccer having a definite drop off in the last couple of years, and the rugby codes still basically a non-factor here.

If current trends continue (and Il'll acknowledge there's no guarantee of this), Australian Football will most probably have more participants than either of the rugby codes in NSW and Qld in 20 years time
 

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Hmmm - I note you had to dig up an old article from a rural region (which I know very very well) with a declining population, just as the article specifically stated - "... It’s a population thing and we can’t do anything about it. ... the farms ... are getting bigger, they are not employing anyone anymore. ...".

Anyway the good news is that since that article, the club in question has actually thrived, winning their first premiership in 36 years -

Despite a total town population of less than 300, Great Western fields a seniors, reserves, under 16 and under 12 Australian Football teams and they are premiership favourites again this year.

Meanwhile my local club, the Ascot Vale Panthers in inner suburban Melbourn literally had no junior team at all just 10 years ago - just a superules team. We now have multiple junior teams and bursting at the seams with so many players we can hardly accept many more - while the local soccer club just up the road which was thriving a few years back is now really struggling to attract sufficient players to keep going. Australian Football remains very much dominant in Victorian participation, with soccer having a definite drop off in the last couple of years, and the rugby codes still basically a non-factor here.

If current trends continue (and Il'll acknowledge there's no guarantee of this), Australian Football will most probably have more participants than either of the rugby codes in NSW and Qld in 20 years time
Yes I agree and the position of our game in NSW looks promising and lets hope the NRL SPLITS into 2 conferences as being debated. It has not happened yet and already the knives are out from QLD NRL fans. A divided competitor is what we need in the future.
 

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I wish no ill will to the NRL, but the beauty of their conference idea is that at least those AFL fans who constant harp on about it will get to see what a dumb idea it really is.
It's almost impossible to come up with a dumber idea in the Australian sporting context.
 

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I wish no ill will to the NRL, but the beauty of their conference idea is that at least those AFL fans who constant harp on about it will get to see what a dumb idea it really is.
It's almost impossible to come up with a dumber idea in the Australian sporting context.
Think about the oxygen afl gets in Sydney now & now reduce it to a third. You better hope conferences don't happen.
 

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Hmmm - I note you had to dig up an old article from a rural region (which I know very very well) with a declining population, just as the article specifically stated - "... It’s a population thing and we can’t do anything about it. ... the farms ... are getting bigger, they are not employing anyone anymore. ...".

Anyway the good news is that since that article, the club in question has actually thrived, winning their first premiership in 36 years -

Despite a total town population of less than 300, Great Western fields a seniors, reserves, under 16 and under 12 Australian Football teams and they are premiership favourites again this year.

Meanwhile my local club, the Ascot Vale Panthers in inner suburban Melbourn literally had no junior team at all just 10 years ago - just a superules team. We now have multiple junior teams and bursting at the seams with so many players we can hardly accept many more - while the local soccer club just up the road which was thriving a few years back is now really struggling to attract sufficient players to keep going. Australian Football remains very much dominant in Victorian participation, with soccer having a definite drop off in the last couple of years, and the rugby codes still basically a non-factor here.

If current trends continue (and Il'll acknowledge there's no guarantee of this), Australian Football will most probably have more participants than either of the rugby codes in NSW and Qld in 20 years time
Yes I agree and the position of our game in NSW looks promising and lets hope the NRL SPLITS into 2 conferences as being debated. It has not happened yet and already the knives are out from QLD NRL fans. A divided competitor is what we need in the future.
Only posting links. Why are you struggling with them?
 

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SMH A. Proszenko & A. Pengilly 9.4.21

Proszenko said, re the blowouts & lack of competitiveness of many lower NRL teams, & related views of NRL dual Premiership coach W. Ryan

"...because there aren't enough good players to spread across the comp... He [Ryan] puts it down to promising play makers leaving the junior ranks because they can't compete with kids who physically develop quicker in their cohort".

Ryan said

"Good halfbacks are as rare as rocking horse sh*t...When not enough people are playing the game, it's felt at the top. If there are more good players because the base is broader, you wouldn't see these discrepancies in standard".


The collapse in male contact RL nos. in Greater Sydney (excluding Penrith District RL comp.), in the Gold Coast-Greater Brisbane (excluding Ipswich District RL comp.)- Sunshine Coast corridor, ACT, & many rural & regional areas in NSW & Qld. is a severe threat to the future prosperity of the NRL, & ability to expand beyond 16 teams (without causing further dilution of NRL skills); & "recovery" of GR male RL.
 
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