Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

Remove this Banner Ad

The standard of play in NRLW is miles ahead of AFLW. It is actually quite watchable.

different skill sets.

NRLW involves a lot of running, dodging and throwing the ball to a nearby player. The differences from mens to womens will always be less apparent than in AFLW. Im not saying that skill isnt required, but the opportunity for "clangers" is much less - and much less visible than spraying a kick or dropping a mark.
 
P.s. i can't believe we agree on something.
We don't.
The professionalism of the AFL has changed the way Australian Football is played with most games played like a final.
It is rare to find an unattractive AFL or AFLW game even as a neutral follower and there is usually a number of highlights for everyone.
As I have said numerous times, I don't find NRL unattractive probably non-attractive is a better description.
There just isn't enough in the game to hold my attention.
There is a beauty in Australian Football that is arguably unmatched in any other football code.
American Football has the long completion and the long run.
Rugby has a string of passes and the long run.
Soccer has long goal past the diving keeper.
Australian Football has the sweeping run, the long kick and the high grab.
 

Log in to remove this ad.

SMH M. Knox 11.3.22

Knox (Sydney-based, & a multiple award- winning journalist, author, & expert MSM writer on RL, RU, & cricket) said

"The biggest challenge facing rugby league, according to its club chief executives and everyone knowledgeable about the game, is player (male contact) numbers...

...Yet this is not translating into enough young and teenaged boys playing the game to assure its future. Female participation is still rising, off a lower base. From 2015 to 2021, participation in male tackle rugby league in Australia declined by 12,000, or eight per cent. In Parramatta, Penrith and south-western Sydney, it fell by as much as 26 per cent.
At the current rate, rugby league’s destiny is looking more like America’s NFL (but USA has a pop. of 300m+- so NFL & elite Colleges can easily find sufficient, elite athletes), a sport watched by many but played by an ever-diminishing gladiatorial fraction...

Peter V'landys... says the ARLC has spent “tens of millions of dollars” on strategies to stabilise the fall in player numbers. This money flows down through the state organisations and the NRL clubs into local areas.

By creating more young male gamblers, rugby league is helping to accelerate the fall in its own player numbers".

"The trend is not peculiar to rugby league. Most sports see a drop-off in their male playing ranks from about the age of 13. Other attractions and commitments compete for time; playing the game gets more serious from that age; Mum and Dad are no longer so influential. With a contact sport like league, there is the added factor of increased awareness of the dangers of concussion, as well as other career-ending injuries. But mostly, as boys become men, they find other things to do"

(But AF club & school comp. nos., all over Australia, were, generally at record highs until 2019; & in 2021, are at record highs in Qld., WA, SA, & NT. In 2021, NSW is at 98% of 2019 record nos. Vic club nos. in 2021 are above the record 2019 nos.).

"Their (male RL fans) gambling losses are circulating into the sport that they are choosing, in record numbers, to stop playing".

(Words in brackets, & emphases, mine)




Knox is advocating that the big increase, in recent years, in gambling on the NRL is causing many males to quit, or never play, GR male contact RL.

I have never heard any similar, influence-of-gambling arguments proposed before, & it has major flaws (which he does not address):-

. Very few contact RL jnrs bet- but there has been a long term (far before 2015) big drop in jnr male contact RL nos. in NSW, ACT, & Qld.

. male GR contact RL jnr. nos. would not be impacted by adult males betting on NRL matches.

. there has been a long term (far before 2015) significant decline in GR adult male contact RL nos. in NSW, ACT, & Qld. ie well before the recent boom in NRL sport betting.

. GR female contact club (there is minima femalel contact school) RL nos. have had significant growth, off a very small base, since 2018.
Why have they not been affected by the gambling "distraction"/loss of personal moneys?

. GR male AF club & school comp. nos. were at record highs in Australia in 2019- but dropped in the 2020 covid-hit seasons (excluding male nos. in Tas., which have, generally, been dropping for many years).
Qld., in both male & female AF club & school comp. nos., are at record levels in 2021. Ditto, WA, SA, & NT in 2021; & NSW & Vic. almost at record highs.
There is also huge betting on the AFL- why no drop in nos.?

(Scroll to pg 80)

. no hard data, re the malign influence of gambling, is cited to validate his argument.
 
Last edited:
1. "The NRLW will expand to eight teams in 2023 and 10 in 2024 as part of a significant revamp of the women's game that will include a 28 per cent pay increase.

Key points:​

  • The NRL has announced the NRLW will add two new teams in 2023 and two more in 2024
  • The State of Origin series will also expand to two matches in 2023
  • A raft of pay increases will come into effect immediately
In changes confirmed by the NRL on Tuesday, State of Origin will double to a two-game series from next year with representative payments to also go up.

The news comes as the NRL moves to introduce a $350,000 salary cap to the NRLW competition, while the minimum pay for players will increase by 25 per cent".



Although the NRL, cf the AFLW & GR female AF, has spent very little moneys on the NRLW & female GR contact RL, both the latter 2 areas are having significant growth for RL.
The NRLW GF & female SOO both vastly outrate the AFLW GF. Not a direct comparison though- the AFLW GF, even though a standalone game, is severely handicapped by being played during the day on week-ends: ratings' "dead time" for all programs, on weekends.

The significant growth in the NRLW bodes well for RL; ditto for GR RL clubs, since 2018, in female contact RL nos.
Both areas will have many economic, sponsorship, volunteer, morale, & cultural benefits etc. for GR RL clubs. (as it has for GR AF clubs).

The cultural benefits for GR RL clubs will, probably, be greater than what GR AF clubs have achieved. Many would argue that RL, traditionally, is more in need in improving its behaviour towards females, & has suffered more reputational damage (Although 95%+ of male RL players' behaviour towards women is not objectionable).






2. P. V'landys, after Round 1 2022, mocked the AFLW, claiming NRLW ratings were far superior to the AFLW.

"ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys has taken a swipe at AFLW, saying he’s 'not surprised' the NRLW TV ratings dwarfed its rivals".

dailytelegraph.com.au
Saint, sinner, shoosh: Dragons plan Shark raid
Shane Flanagan brought Briton Nikora to the Cronulla Sharks as a Kiwi rookie and Holden Cup player back in 2016.
(Behind paywall- can any oopen, & post here please).

IIRC, wookie stated, however, the NRLW Round 1 ratings were an error- mistakenly reported with much higher nos.

I don't know the averages of the NRLW ratings since Round 1-&, of course, it is essential to compare like-for-like ie weekend time slots with weekend time slots, & evening vs evening.
Can anyone provide the average ratings, up to last weekend, for like-to-like comparisons?
NRLW goes for 4 Rounds only.
 
Last edited:
The cultural benefits for GR RL clubs will, probably, be greater than what GR AF clubs have achieved.

So you are saying the cultural benefits of NRLW are in overturning historical negative NRL issues.
What the AFLW has done is that it has promoted Australian Football by providing a pathway for women international A.F. players.
Irish AFLW players probably receive more media attention than Irish players these days.
Canada had a large jump in female participation that boosted them to world champions.
 

"QAFLW Captains have their say on the upcoming 2022 Bond University QAFLW season"​

881D64F2-DB07-4F6B-996A-920BEF60C8B2_1_201_a-840x450.jpeg


"AFL Queensland has polled the eight QAFLW club captains for their views on the impending 2022 Bond University QAFLW Season, and they see Maroochydore and Southport at the top end of the ladder as the teams to beat.
Five clubs had Maroochydore picked, while four said Southport. Coorparoo, Bond University and UQ all drew one vote each".




The QAFLW is the top women's comp. in Qld.- & its 8 clubs are from Brisbane, Gold Coast, & Sunshine Coast.

The Sunshine Coast population is, obviously, much smaller than Brisbane & the GC. It is interesting, therefore, that 5 of the 8 QAFLW captains nominated Maroochydore, from the SC, as "which other club is most likley to reach the GF".
This is a strong testament to the strength of GR female AF on the SC- & implies female GR AF there is experiencing rising skill levels, & significant growth.

This SC growth in AF is reflected in the information below

In 2021, Sunshine Coast's
“Hinterland AFL Club has seen player numbers increase by 63 per cent over the last five years including a 30 per cent jump in junior numbers in 12 months,” Mr Skelton said.

“The old clubhouse has been demolished to make way for a modern clubhouse with dedicated male and female change rooms which will make a huge difference to a club that has played this season out of a six by three donga.”

Hinterland Blues (AF club) President Bruce Bell said the new facilities will provide a massive boost to their future growth and operations.

“Having four change rooms will make the girls more comfortable and increase female participation which is increasingly important as nearly a quarter of our players are female,” said Mr Bell.

The club has 120 senior players and 130 juniors including two senior men’s teams, one senior women’s team and nine junior teams with plans to add another senior men's team next season (My words in brackets, & emphases)".



Re the growth of GR AF on the SC in general, & the no. of players from the SC entering the AFLW in particular," That number is likely to only grow in coming years with the Brisbane Lions Academy firmly entrenched in the region".

 
Last edited:

"QAFLW Captains have their say on the upcoming 2022 Bond University QAFLW season"​

881D64F2-DB07-4F6B-996A-920BEF60C8B2_1_201_a-840x450.jpeg



This is a strong testament to the strength of GR female AF on the SC

Indeed, a strong representation. Now,you criticized the Riverina for lagging behind these areas.
What in your opinion, would you see as the towns/institutions potentially creating a strong AFLW in the Riverina ?
 

"QAFLW Captains have their say on the upcoming 2022 Bond University QAFLW season"​

881D64F2-DB07-4F6B-996A-920BEF60C8B2_1_201_a-840x450.jpeg


"AFL Queensland has polled the eight QAFLW club captains for their views on the impending 2022 Bond University QAFLW Season, and they see Maroochydore and Southport at the top end of the ladder as the teams to beat.
Five clubs had Maroochydore picked, while four said Southport. Coorparoo, Bond University and UQ all drew one vote each".




The QAFLW is the top women's comp. in Qld.- & its 8 clubs are from Brisbane, Gold Coast, & Sunshine Coast.

The Sunshine Coast population is, obviously, much smaller than Brisbane & the GC. It is interesting, therefore, that 5 of the 8 QAFLW captains nominated Maroochydore, from the SC, as "which other club is most likley to reach the GF".
This is a strong testament to the strength of GR female AF on the SC- & implies female GR AF there is experiencing rising skill levels, & significant growth.

This SC growth in AF is reflected in the information below

In 2021, Sunshine Coast's
“Hinterland AFL Club has seen player numbers increase by 63 per cent over the last five years including a 30 per cent jump in junior numbers in 12 months,” Mr Skelton said.

“The old clubhouse has been demolished to make way for a modern clubhouse with dedicated male and female change rooms which will make a huge difference to a club that has played this season out of a six by three donga.”

Hinterland Blues (AF club) President Bruce Bell said the new facilities will provide a massive boost to their future growth and operations.

“Having four change rooms will make the girls more comfortable and increase female participation which is increasingly important as nearly a quarter of our players are female,” said Mr Bell.

The club has 120 senior players and 130 juniors including two senior men’s teams, one senior women’s team and nine junior teams with plans to add another senior men's team next season (My words in brackets, & emphases)".



Re the growth of AF on the SC in general, & the no. of players from the SC entering the AFLW in particular," That number is likely to only grow in coming years with the Brisbane Lions Academy firmly entrenched in the region".

Re the connections with Cricket above. How fortunate was it all those early decades ago that our game aligned itself with cricket grounds in Melbourne. No doubt those early pioneers of our game would get a huge shock to see how that connection has developed.
 
1. Most know here that female GR AF club & school comp. nos. are booming in Qld.; &, also, in ACT, Northern Sydney & ES (other parts of NSW are also having strong female AF club & school comp. growth, but not at Qld. levels).

On a long term basis, however, the high female AF injury rates, if they continue, may imperil this female growth- & possibly cause female comp. GR AF nos. to decline everywhere in Aust. It has previously been reported that serious knee injuries in the AFLW were up to 9 times cf the AFL: & AFLW concussions c. double the AFL. (But AFLW ACL injury rates are c. "4-6 times more likely" in 2022, cf AFL).



2021 AFLW Season.

ACL injuries had, pleasingly, a very significant decline ("at all-time low").
The rate, per 1000 player hours in the 2021 AFLW was 3.22- in 2020, it was 8.83, 2019 5.14.

The raw no. of AFLW overall general injuries are, unfortunately, on the increase. With more AFLW games per season, however, raw no. increases are inevitable- but pro rata per games played, the overall injuries have still had a big increase.
The overall injuries' incidence (no. of new injuries per club, per season) in the 2021 AFLW was 11.1- in 2020, it was 7.0, 2019 6.8.

The no. of missed matches per club in the 2021 AFLW was 36.7- in 2020, it was 24.4, 2019 17.8. This is another, pro rata of games, very big rise- & their season is short.

AFLW concussions are rising, per 1000 playing hours.
In 2021, 8.27- in 2020, 4.76.
An important mitigating factor is that there is a continuing more conservative approach to concussions/possible concussions now- so comparing previous years' rates of concussions has very limited efficacy.

www.womens.afl

"2021 AFLW Injury Report: ACLs at all-time low, concussions increase

The AFL has released the fifth annual AFLW Injury Report for the 2021 NAB AFL Women's Competition
www.womens.afl"


It is a pity the article did not give reasons for the increases in injury rates (excluding ACL's; & concussions/new protocols) which are much greater, pro rata, than the increase in games.

I would like to see female injury rates, analyses etc. in GR female jnr & adult players.









2. 2022- AFLW ACL injury rates up.

abc.net.au K. O'Halloran 20.3.22

O'Halloran said

"While the exact ratio has fluctuated significantly, at one point in the early seasons, AFLW players were up to 9.2 times more likely than AFL men's players to injure their ACLs.

Since then, the ratio has broadly stabilised at anywhere between four and six times more likely.

Most promisingly, in 2021, ACL injuries in AFLW were at an all-time low.

In 2022, however, these types of injuries have, once again, trended upwards.

Professor Crossley warns that such figures need to be taken in context".

Prof. K. Crossley said

"They are small numbers and we just don't have enough years of data to know the true incidence.
'But if you look at basketball, volleyball, European handball … the rates are about two to two and a half times higher than men (all emphases, mine)' ".


It is imperative to reduce, significantly, & asap, female AF injury rates- primarily for their long term physical & mental health (& financial wellbeing); but, also, to support & promote female GR AF, & its long term prosperity.






3.
Doesn’t help when the media, both here and the traditional states present it that way as well.
Re designating AF, by the media in NSW & Qld., as a "Victorian Game", do you agree that the incidence of this description is significantly declining (in the last 5 years) in the NRL MSM; & general (non-AFL) MSM in NSW & Qld.?

Are you suggesting that, in NSW & Qld., AFL MSM describe the AFL &/or GR AF as a "Victorian game"?
If so, how often does this occur? Why would they cause this self-inflicted damage to AF?


The comp was a week old when this was written. Its week 2 ratings were far lower - and the figure of 168,000 average is wrong. Not one game made the top 20 on sunday on either FTA or Fox.
Re P. V'landys, after NRLW week 1, publicly mocking AFLW national ratings, in comparison to NRLW national ratings.

Can I request, if it is not too time-consuming, for you to make a comparison of 2022 H & A average ratings for NRLW games in their 4 week season, cf AFLW 2022 H & A games (played in the NRLW 4 week season); particularly, for accuracy & relevance, on a like-for-like basis ie average ratings for Sat day games, Sun day games, Fri evening games, Sat. evening games?

The NRLW GF & SOO national ratings far exceed the AFLW GF- but the latter is played during the day, non-prime time.
 
Last edited:

(Log in to remove this ad.)

1. Most know here that female GR AF club & school comp. nos. are booming in Qld.; & in Northern Sydney & ES (other parts of NSW are also having strong female AF club & school comp. growth, but not at Qld. levels).

On a long term basis, however, the high female AF injury rates, if they continue, may imperil this female growth- & possibly cause female comp. GR AF nos. to decline everywhere in Aust. It has previously been reported that serious knee injuries in AFLW players were up to 9 times cf males, & concussions c. double cf males. (But AFLW ACL injury rates are c. "4-6 times more likely" in 2022, cf AFL).



2021 AFLW Season.

ACL injuries had, pleasingly ,a very significant decline ("at all-time low").
The rate, per 1000 player hours in the 2021 AFLW was 3.22- in 2020, it was 8.83, 2019 5.14.

The raw no. of AFLW overall general injuries are, unfortunately, on the increase. With more AFLW games per season, however, raw no. increases are inevitable- but pro rata per games played, the overall injuries have still had a big increase.
The overall injuries' incidence (no. of new injuries per club, per season) in the 2021 AFLW was 11.1- in 2020, it was 7.0, 2019 6.8.

The no. of missed matches per club in the 2021 AFLW was 36.7- in 2020, it was 24.4, 2019 17.8. This is another, pro rata of games, very big rise- & their season is short.

AFLW concussions are rising, per 1000 playing hours.
In 2021, 8.27- in 2020, 4.76.
An important mitigating factor is that there is a continuing more conservative approach to concussions/possible concussions now- so comparing previous years' rates of concussions has very limited efficacy.

www.womens.afl

"2021 AFLW Injury Report: ACLs at all-time low, concussions increase

The AFL has released the fifth annual AFLW Injury Report for the 2021 NAB AFL Women's Competition
www.womens.afl"


It is a pity the article did not give reasons for the increases in injury rates (excluding ACL's; & concussions/new protocols) which are much greater, pro rata, than the increase in games.

I would like to see female injury rates, analyses etc. in GR female jnr & adult players









2. 2022- AFLW ACL injury rates up.

abc.net.au K. O'Halloran 20.3.22

O'Halloran said

"While the exact ratio has fluctuated significantly, at one point in the early seasons, AFLW players were up to 9.2 times more likely than AFL men's players to injure their ACLs.

Since then, the ratio has broadly stabilised at anywhere between four and six times more likely.

Most promisingly, in 2021, ACL injuries in AFLW were at an all-time low.

In 2022, however, these types of injuries have, once again, trended upwards.

Professor Crossley warns that such figures need to be taken in context".

Prof. K. Crossley said

"They are small numbers and we just don't have enough years of data to know the true incidence.



It is imperative to reduce, significantly, female AF injury rates- primarily for the long term physical & mental health; but also to support & promote female GR AF.






3.

Re designating AF, by the media in NSW & Qld., as a "Victorian Game", do you agree that the incidence of this description is significantly declining (in the last 5 years) in the NRL MSM; & general (non-AFL) MSM in NSW & Qld.?

Are you suggesting that, in NSW & Qld., AFL MSM describe the AFL &/or GR AF as a "Victorian game"?
If so, how often does this occur? Why would they cause this self-inflicted damage to AF?


Re P. V'landys, after NRLW week 1, publicly mocking AFLW national ratings, in comparison to NRLW national ratings.

Can I request, if it is not too time-consuming, for you to make a comparison of 2022 H & A average ratings for NRLW games in their 4 week season, cf AFLW 2022 H & A games (played in the NRLW 4 week season); particularly, for accuracy & relevance, on a like-for-like basis ie Sat day games, Sun day games, Fri evening games, Sat. evening games?

We know that the NRLW GF & SOO national ratings thrash the AFLW GF- but the latter is played during the day, non-prime time.

Moving away from playing in January and February on rock hard grounds should decrease ACLs.
 
Um. Ive lived in Sydney since 1989. But please, do tell me why people, when there are no longer COVID restrictions on outdoor sporting events, would people stay away from seeing something they wont see again?

Interesting take on things I thought it was a great crowd when comparing to crowds across the country and drop in attendances. Not sure if you realised but covid is still around and a concern for a lot of people.
 
1Most know here that female GR AF club & school comp. nos. are booming in Qld.; & in Northern Sydney & ES (other parts of NSW are also having strong female AF club & school comp. growth, but not at Qld. levels).

On a long term basis, however, the high female AF injury rates, if they continue, may imperil this female growth.

You start out talking general football and then go to AFLW statistics.
You have to start putting a bit of sense into your statements.
 
Buddy kicks his 1,000th goal in Sydney and the SCG is only 2/3 full - many thousands being SCG members not Swans members.

Aussie Rules isnt going to overtake anything here.

First of all AFL supporters are interested in their team and it's performance
On the subject of overtaking it would be can "the Giants overtake the Swans" or the Sydney AFL teams overtake any other AFL teams (memberships etc)

I was in contact with my Sydney relatives on that night and they were all watching the Buddy affair.
I's imagine a lot of Sydney people were watching the game as an "event".
I also imagine that this didn't show up in the ratings but that's another subject.
That footage of thousands of fans streaming onto the ground and holding up the game for so long must
have caused a lot of Sydney-siders to ask "what is this game that evokes so much emotion".
 
Um. Ive lived in Sydney since 1989. But please, do tell me why people, when there are no longer COVID restrictions on outdoor sporting events, would people stay away from seeing something they wont see again?
You didn’t notice the place was flooded out for a good portion of this month? and with more bad weather predicted at the time?
I would say people were happy to stay at home and not risk it or were financially not in a position too.
 
Buddy kicks his 1,000th goal in Sydney and the SCG is only 2/3 full - many thousands being SCG members not Swans members.

Aussie Rules isnt going to overtake anything here.

Still double any Sydney NRL crowd this year and bigger than all but one NRL crowd altogether (Broncos v Cowboys in Brisbane).
 
Buddy kicks his 1,000th goal in Sydney and the SCG is only 2/3 full - many thousands being SCG members not Swans members.

Aussie Rules isnt going to overtake anything here.
Was 75% full. Will be the best sporting crowd in Sydney until AFL/NRL finals. Awesome post COVID crowd.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Back
Top