What can we expect from the new Shorten government

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The left wing were always going to head this way. The party for those who want big government interventions, the sort of people who think "someone should do something about this, get the government to handle it" are the sort most likely to shirk their responsibility to the life they created if there is a government provided way out.


Long story short, you don't really want to walk down that path of selectively choosing who gets to exist. Otherwise you'll find someone looking at the stats books and asking which group of people cost the most in welfare and incarceration per population percentage and nobody wants to live in THAT world.

Are you implying Labor are going to decide who has abortions?

“But Labor” has you guys completely head ****ed
 
“But Labor” has you guys completely head ******

6 years of it.
They milked " When Labor was last in govt " about 2 years too many and now this.




Ohh but Labor are " arrogant " though....
 
Are you implying Labor are going to decide who has abortions?

“But Labor” has you guys completely head ******
I'm implying that his attitude of acceptance because it would remove certain undesirables according to him would lead to it. It's a dangerous attitude to have.

I don't think it's safe drawing a line anywhere on who deserves to live
 

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Labor joining with the Greens to force a weakening of our borders says all you need to know really. Hopefully in Bill's arrogance he keeps assuming the election is his and keeps demonstrating what a disaster his govt will be.

We live on an Island ... should they build a moat?
 

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Do we have more New Zealand citizens living here than live in NZ yet?

Our immigration system already perfers those who have education, means and similar language and values. It's just tipping that further along, those who comes from nations with cultures of working hard that fit in well with Australian values to the front of the line.

You're right, we shouldn't bring in any people with convictions - especially those who contravene Australian values - which is what makes it tricky if they come from somewhere that doesn't have Australian values, such as my opinion being worth half of yours so your word against mine means you get off. No record of that conviction.

It's almost like it's a complicated and individual system that will take time.

Does the Catholic Church represent Australian Values....
Can you explain Australian Values please....,
 
Does the Catholic Church represent Australian Values....
Can you explain Australian Values please....,
Australian values.
We aren't barbaric, we don't mutilate criminals as part of state punishment, we don't flog or beat.
We expect our public servants to be above corruption and discovery of it will end their careers, we don't see it as par for the course.
We value the family.
We value the individual.
We value children very highly.
It is expected that a child will go to school.
It is expected that a child is treated the same whether a boy or a girl.
We value sports people and high achievers as long as they are humble.
We equally dislike sports people who aren't.
We expect to get paid.
We expect to not be assaulted walking down the street.
Sexual crime criminals are despised.
We value the freedom to work in a job we have chosen or by result of our other choices was left to us, we can live where we want with whomever we want.

That isn't true for the entire human population of the planet.
 

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Australian values.
We aren't barbaric, we don't mutilate criminals as part of state punishment, we don't flog or beat.
We expect our public servants to be above corruption and discovery of it will end their careers, we don't see it as par for the course.
We value the family.
We value the individual.
We value children very highly.
It is expected that a child will go to school.
It is expected that a child is treated the same whether a boy or a girl.
We value sports people and high achievers as long as they are humble.
We equally dislike sports people who aren't.
We expect to get paid.
We expect to not be assaulted walking down the street.
Sexual crime criminals are despised.
We value the freedom to work in a job we have chosen or by result of our other choices was left to us, we can live where we want with whomever we want.

That isn't true for the entire human population of the planet.

Nor is it true for the entire population of Australia .... Australia breaks down in almost all those areas you mentioned.
 

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Australian values.
We aren't barbaric, we don't mutilate criminals as part of state punishment, we don't flog or beat.
We expect our public servants to be above corruption and discovery of it will end their careers, we don't see it as par for the course.
We value the family.
We value the individual.
We value children very highly.
It is expected that a child will go to school.
It is expected that a child is treated the same whether a boy or a girl.
We value sports people and high achievers as long as they are humble.
We equally dislike sports people who aren't.
We expect to get paid.
We expect to not be assaulted walking down the street.
Sexual crime criminals are despised.
We value the freedom to work in a job we have chosen or by result of our other choices was left to us, we can live where we want with whomever we want.

That isn't true for the entire human population of the planet.

It’s remarkably different to the IPAs wish list, and is a lot more common around the world than you are suggesting
 
Unless you're on the Liberals' PATH to serfdom.



But gangs of brown people.



Unless they're members of the IPA and mates with Andrew Bolt.

You're actually validating my position. When you're upset, and not alone, that someone doesn't get justice... that's because it's against the values of the nation.
 
It’s remarkably different to the IPAs wish list, and is a lot more common around the world than you are suggesting
Most of it could be described as universal human values, but not all of it. The differences between us can be quite large and important.
 
Australian values.
We aren't barbaric, we don't mutilate criminals as part of state punishment, we don't flog or beat.
We expect our public servants to be above corruption and discovery of it will end their careers, we don't see it as par for the course.
We value the family.
We value the individual.
We value children very highly.
It is expected that a child will go to school.
It is expected that a child is treated the same whether a boy or a girl.
We value sports people and high achievers as long as they are humble.
We equally dislike sports people who aren't.
We expect to get paid.
We expect to not be assaulted walking down the street.
Sexual crime criminals are despised.
We value the freedom to work in a job we have chosen or by result of our other choices was left to us, we can live where we want with whomever we want.

That isn't true for the entire human population of the planet.
All which are jetisoned at any point it suits us. How many of those apply to someone seeking asylum by boat?
 
Nor is it true for the entire population of Australia .... Australia breaks down in almost all those areas you mentioned.
Examples that are raised as issues stand out because they are against what we value.

When our culture marries children to grown men and it doesn't make the news anywhere because it's so normal, then it's representing a shift in values.
 
All which are jetisoned at any point it suits us. How many of those apply to someone seeking asylum by boat?
It depends on the values they have grown up in, doesn't it?

We can't expect someone who has grown up in a society that supports certain ways of life to transfer to Australian values without hiccups, they won't know the acts they are supporting aren't supported here.

It's worth having a period of assessment and transition to protect the innocents of Australia from innocent acts by strangers who grew up in a different world and don't yet know any different. That your victimiser didn't think they were doing any harm doesn't make the result of their actions disappear to the victim.
 
It depends on the values they have grown up in, doesn't it?

We can't expect someone who has grown up in a society that supports certain ways of life to transfer to Australian values without supporting aren't supported here.

It's worth having a period of assessment and transition to protect the innocents of Australia from innocent acts by strangers who grew up in a different world and don't yet know any different.
Locking innocent people up for six years on a sand bar in the Pacific epitomises our righteous sense of justice in your view?
 
Locking innocent people up for six years on a sand bar in the Pacific epitomises our righteous sense of justice in your view?
That wasn't what I said.

But do I think Australia has a right to detain people who wish to enter the nation without a visa? Yes. For as long as it takes to confirm their identity to protect those who have handed their security to the government.

Basically, Australia has a duty to it's Australians first and that isn't discharged because there are more who want to join the list.
 
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That wasn't what I said.

But do I think Australia has a right to detain people who wish to enter the nation without a visa? Yes. For as long as it takes to confirm their identity to protect those who have handed their security to the government.

Basically, Australia has a duty to it's Australians first and that isn't discharged because there are more who want to join the list.
I agree on the detaining without visa. I dont agree it takes 6 years to identify somebody
 
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