Is Buckley A Good Coach?

[jathanas]

The senior coach is an important club figure and a legitimate topic of discussion. It's fair to do so and everyone has a right to express their view.

The mod team observed that the thread was dominated by a few protagonists and their points were repeated i.e. 8 years of regression vs marked improvement in 17,18 etc Pretty much everyone with a strong opinion has already expressed it here.

What further degraded discussion was the simplistic "sack FIGJAM" or "he's a legend" type posts.

This thread will remain open. If your view has slightly shifted or you have new thoughts please share. In an effort to encourage quality discussion repetitive statements and circular arguments will from now on be deleted as will silly posts suggesting that we sack a coach on match-day.

FYI Gone Critical Anzacday Maggie5

 

[manicpie]

I’ve noticed that the club has not put up the Buckley post match press conference, very interesting

A bit embarrassed maybe

 

[sr36]

Correct - and to add to this we had 9 players with less than 50 games and Freo the YOUNG side - had 10

We need a couple of our recent draftee to come through. But Kelly and Quaynor look likely. God knows with Atu, Brown, Rantall, Bianco. Overall, I don't get the doomsday attitude with our list. Think it's in good shape. A lot of good years ahead for Moore, JDG, Adams, Treloar, Maynard, Crisp, Stepho. Can't see Sidey falling off a cliff any time soon. Certainly wouldn't be writing off Pendles or Howe either.

 

[No SPIN]

A bit embarrassed maybe

no - I watched on the Foxtel App, all fine, But he spent a lot of time talking about the COVID breach and was very contrite, but also mentioned that on another day of the week the same activity is permissible. So the rules are confusing, but took full responsibility nonetheless.

 

[jmac70]

Just my two cents...

This has been a disrupted year so we need to tread cautiously with assessing Bucks as coach going forward. We have been close the last two seasons so he has credit in the bank.

Our form is worrying though. The connection between mids and forwards in particular. I’m still confident Bucks will turn it around, BUT if we continue this present streak of form for a significant number of games, questions should be asked internally. This may lead to improvements next year with Buckley as coach.

In my opinion, this list, fully fit, is good enough to flag. Would Clarko get the best out of this team? Most likely yes.
Is he available? Most likely no.

Should Buckley coach us 2021? Almost certainly yes.

 

[OniAu]

8 years to put his "brand" on the team.

What do people see as his style or brand for the team? As i am entirely clueless

Feel like his assistants are all boys club picks. Sando and Harvey offer nothing that ive seen.

Is Garry Hocking even still involved?

 

[BringouttheGimp]

8 years to put his "brand" on the team.

What do people see as his style or brand for the team? As i am entirely clueless

Feel like his assistants are all boys club picks. Sando and Harvey offer nothing that ive seen.

Is Garry Hocking even still involved?

Add Rocca and Lockyer to the list re.. what are they doing there re?

Our first and second round trades.. Shawry.. for WHE Adams and Treloar.. all AIS coached Buckley lads.. not saying it was the right or wrong decisions to pick em up.. but did he give the GWS list a good look.. or was it just a coincidence these lads were all under his wing? Was Shawry one of Buckley's boys?

Then you've got Mayne given another yr at what age? Dunn given a spot after 2 knee recos at what age? Reid given yr after yr after yr.. Buckley's boys?

Ben Johnson and Alan Didak retired at what age? Were they more injury prone that Dunn and Reid? Buckley's boys?

There's no doubt this a boys club!

2020 - 4 1/2 games won. 4 lost.
2019 - 15 games won. 7 lost. 68% games won. 4th

Now with 8 games remaining in the h&a rounds.. you're looking.. for 4th spot.. based on historical figures.. a win/loss ratio of at least 7/8.. 68% of 17 = 11.5. 11.5 is the equivalent of winning 15 games in 2019.

So best base scenario is an elimination final.. and winning 4 straight under a predictable Buckley.. well it's over.

Great sides have players that challenge the coach.. Manchester United's greatest 11 under Ferguson.. the Keans the Schmiekels the Van Nilstelroys the Beckhams the Staams the Cantona's.. choir boys?

Get a new coach.. for the love of God!

 

[gouki88]

Add Rocca and Lockyer to the list re.. what are they doing there re?

Our first and second round trades.. Shawry.. for WHE Adams and Treloar.. all AIS coached Buckley lads.. not saying it was the right or wrong decisions to pick em up.. but did he give the GWS list a good look.. or was it just a coincidence these lads were all under his wing?

Then you've got Mayne given another yr at what age? Dunn given a spot after 2 knee recos at what age? Reid given yr after yr after yr.. Buckley's boys?

Ben Johnson and Alan Didak retired at what age? Buckley's boys?

There's no doubt this a boys club!

2020 - 4 1/2 games won. 4 lost.
2019 - 15 games won. 7 lost. 68% games won. 4th

Now with 8 games remaining in the h&a rounds.. you're looking.. for 4th spot.. based on historical figures.. a win/loss ratio of at least 7/8.. 68% of 17 = 11.5. 11.5 is the equivalent of winning 15 games in 2019.

So best base scenario is an elimination final.. and winning 4 straight under a predictable Buckley.. well it's over.

Start preparing for season 2021 without the big man I'd say.

Another level to the whole "boys club" aspect is Bucks himself - one of Eddie's boys from the get go. Proven by the whole handover eff-up in 2011/12

 

[TKiL]

Another level to the whole "boys club" aspect is Bucks himself - one of Eddie's boys from the get go. Proven by the whole handover eff-up in 2011/12

best wishes getting this message through to the boys themselves - yes those boys!

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Another level to the whole "boys club" aspect is Bucks himself - one of Eddie's boys from the get go. Proven by the whole handover eff-up in 2011/12

He had the job well before he retired as a player.. no doubt the president whispered in his captains ear.. 'don't worry son.. you'll coach this great club of ours one day'.

Criteria - Collingwood captain. Collingwood legend. Dinners at Ed's. No coaching experience. Typical!

 

[OniAu]

Add Rocca and Lockyer to the list re.. what are they doing there re?

Our first and second round trades.. Shawry.. for WHE Adams and Treloar.. all AIS coached Buckley lads.. not saying it was the right or wrong decisions to pick em up.. but did he give the GWS list a good look.. or was it just a coincidence these lads were all under his wing? Was Shawry one of Buckley's boys?

Then you've got Mayne given another yr at what age? Dunn given a spot after 2 knee recos at what age? Reid given yr after yr after yr.. Buckley's boys?

Ben Johnson and Alan Didak retired at what age? Were they more injury prone that Dunn and Reid? Buckley's boys?

There's no doubt this a boys club!

2020 - 4 1/2 games won. 4 lost.
2019 - 15 games won. 7 lost. 68% games won. 4th

Now with 8 games remaining in the h&a rounds.. you're looking.. for 4th spot.. based on historical figures.. a win/loss ratio of at least 7/8.. 68% of 17 = 11.5. 11.5 is the equivalent of winning 15 games in 2019.

So best base scenario is an elimination final.. and winning 4 straight under a predictable Buckley.. well it's over.

Great sides have players that challenge the coach.. Manchester United's greatest 11 under Ferguson.. the Keans the Schmiekels the Van Nilstelroys the Beckhams the Staams the Cantona's.. choir boys?

Get a new coach.. for the love of God!

So many good points. How can a forum poster see all this yet the board dont. Pretty much gives you the answer why

Things need to change , we are going to be a nothing club in 3-4 years if we have Bucks at the helm. Loved the guy as a player , love him as a media commentator. Coach he is all sorts of wrong

 

[BringouttheGimp]

So many good points. How can a forum poster see all this yet the board dont. Pretty much gives you the answer why

Things need to change , we are going to be a nothing club in 3-4 years if we have Bucks at the helm. Loved the guy as a player , love him as a media commentator. Coach he is all sorts of wrong

When you dig deeper.. Ben Hart.. the bloke comes out in the media and calls Buckley a control freak.. along those lines.. spin doctors at the club labeling him as someone with a vendetta for copping the ass. Buckley's in the clear yet again.

 

[No SPIN]

Add Rocca and Lockyer to the list re.. what are they doing there re?

Our first and second round trades.. Shawry.. for WHE Adams and Treloar.. all AIS coached Buckley lads.. not saying it was the right or wrong decisions to pick em up.. but did he give the GWS list a good look.. or was it just a coincidence these lads were all under his wing? Was Shawry one of Buckley's boys?

Then you've got Mayne given another yr at what age? Dunn given a spot after 2 knee recos at what age? Reid given yr after yr after yr.. Buckley's boys?

Ben Johnson and Alan Didak retired at what age? Were they more injury prone that Dunn and Reid? Buckley's boys?

There's no doubt this a boys club!

2020 - 4 1/2 games won. 4 lost.
2019 - 15 games won. 7 lost. 68% games won. 4th

Now with 8 games remaining in the h&a rounds.. you're looking.. for 4th spot.. based on historical figures.. a win/loss ratio of at least 7/8.. 68% of 17 = 11.5. 11.5 is the equivalent of winning 15 games in 2019.

So best base scenario is an elimination final.. and winning 4 straight under a predictable Buckley.. well it's over.

Great sides have players that challenge the coach.. Manchester United's greatest 11 under Ferguson.. the Keans the Schmiekels the Van Nilstelroys the Beckhams the Staams the Cantona's.. choir boys?

Get a new coach.. for the love of God!

Boys club - coaches - we have a football department cap, making it very hard to pay for the best coach at every level, so hence Lockyer and Rocca, are coaches we can afford, They may also have accepted less pay due to their history with the club. I agree it’s not ideal but certainly nothing to do with a boys club, but rather pragmatism.



AIS boys - all development coaches have players they believe they would like to coach one day - it’s par for the course. And in your often quoted World game comparisons, coaches bringing favorite players to their new clubs is very common.



Mayne, Dunn, Reid - all cheap list fillers to make up squad numbers - no trade value so I have no idea why you have an issue here.

BJ and Didak, - may not have wanted to play for the low wages or be rookies like Dunn or the others, again nothing sinister.



In terms of wins to make top 4 using 2019 as you have chosen to do:

We can compare both seasons at the Half way stage:

Rd 12 - 2019 - 10th ( our current position) was 24 points off Top spot, and 12 points from 4th spot.

This years at the half way mark of RD 9 : in tenth spot we are 10 points from Top and 6 points from Top 4.

Therefore the ladder is very compressed so your calculation of games needed to make Top 4 may not apply.

Then if we add the vagaries of fixturing and travel this season is really like no other in attempting to make forecasts,

 

[jmac70]

When you dig deeper.. Ben Hart.. the bloke comes out in the media and calls Buckley a control freak.. along those lines.. spin doctors at the club labeling him as someone with a vendetta for copping the ass. Buckley's in the clear yet again.

Is this the same Ben Hart who is an assistant at Adelaide? If memory serves he was responsible for a covid breach and received a six week suspension.
How are Adelaide going?

 

[jmac70]

He had the job well before he retired as a player.. no doubt the president whispered in his captains ear.. 'don't worry son.. you'll coach this great club of ours one day'.

Criteria - Collingwood captain. Collingwood legend. Dinners at Ed's. No coaching experience. Typical!

Disappointed Gimp. Going back to your Bucks bashing. Remember in 2017, you were trying to organise a protest march to the Holden centre. Pitch forks and everything. Then 2018 rolls through and you are back on board. Now back to your real form.

Oh well. This is where you stand, no going back now brother. The lines are drawn.

 

[No SPIN]

When you dig deeper.. Ben Hart.. the bloke comes out in the media and calls Buckley a control freak.. along those lines.. spin doctors at the club labeling him as someone with a vendetta for copping the ass. Buckley's in the clear yet again.

Even you know that everyone has commented that post the 2017 review Buckley beame a very different and relaxed person compared to when Hart was at the club.
Convenienty ignoring this positive change detracts from the credibility and
veracity of your arguments.

 

[DerekZoolander]

Even you know that everyone has commented that post the 2017 review Buckley beame a very different and relaxed person compared to when Hart was at the club.
Convenienty ignoring this positive change detracts from the credibility and
veracity of your arguments.

Yet Buckley gets out coached by rookie coaches , go figure that out. Spin it how you like .

 

[No SPIN]

Yet Buckley gets out coached by rookie coaches , go figure that out. Spin it how you like .

Wow - you’re clearly a deep thinker on this issue.

 

[DerekZoolander]

Wow - you’re clearly a deep thinker on this issue.

Like you Spin Doctor. Are you happy with a 9 year unsuccessful coach? If you are you are you are not a true Collingwood supporter

 

[No SPIN]

Like you Spin Doctor. Are you happy with a 9 year unsuccessful coach? If you are you are you are not a true Collingwood supporter

ah - the old 9 year come back - so predictable.
Not a single poster has successfully argued this point - why?
Top 4 and GF and PF in successive years is improvement the that blows the darks day of the previous 7 years out of the water.
Clearly a Coach is trending in the right direction with such improvement- and no club in history sacks a coach with a 2 year improvement like that.
Buy that doesn’t stop supporters like you trying it on.

 

[DerekZoolander]

ah - the old 9 year come back - so predictable.
Not a single poster has successfully argued this point - why?
Top 4 and GF and PF in successive years is improvement the that blows the darks day of the previous 7 years out of the water.
Clearly a Coach is trending in the right direction with such improvement- and no club in history sacks a coach with a 2 year improvement like that.
Buy that doesn’t stop supporters like you trying it on.

So your happy hmmmm. Not sure who you are Spin Doctor but you've just been busted. Go away and go back to rhr club you really support. Pies supporters only please

 

[No SPIN]

So your happy hmmmm. Not sure who you are Spin Doctor but you've just been busted. Go away and go back to rhr club you really support. Pies supporters only please

As expected no serious capacity for debate. Which explains the simplistic arguments.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Just my two cents...

This has been a disrupted year so we need to tread cautiously with assessing Bucks as coach going forward. We have been close the last two seasons so he has credit in the bank.

Our form is worrying though. The connection between mids and forwards in particular. I’m still confident Bucks will turn it around, BUT if we continue this present streak of form for a significant number of games, questions should be asked internally. This may lead to improvements next year with Buckley as coach.

In my opinion, this list, fully fit, is good enough to flag. Would Clarko get the best out of this team? Most likely yes.
Is he available? Most likely no.

Should Buckley coach us 2021? Almost certainly yes.

1/ If by we you mean us posters on BF then I think that'll have zero impact.

2/ Can you remember the last time we had a fully fit list to choose from? I can't. Don't expect to see that anytime soon.

3/ Buckley has already got the best out of this list, the speculation that Clarko would do better than what Bucks actually has is just that - speculation.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Even you know that everyone has commented that post the 2017 review Buckley beame a very different and relaxed person compared to when Hart was at the club.
Convenienty ignoring this positive change detracts from the credibility and
veracity of your arguments.

You assume a lot.. but no very little my friend.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

As expected no serious capacity for debate. Which explains the simplistic arguments.

An earlier post of yours.. '99% of coaches fail'.. please explain.

 

[Doc1763]

ah - the old 9 year come back - so predictable.
Not a single poster has successfully argued this point - why?
Top 4 and GF and PF in successive years is improvement the that blows the darks day of the previous 7 years out of the water.
Clearly a Coach is trending in the right direction with such improvement- and no club in history sacks a coach with a 2 year improvement like that.
Buy that doesn’t stop supporters like you trying it on.

You could have said, no club sacks a coach who's last 2 seasons were Premiers, Runners Up. Oh, hang on...........................................