Analysis What does our list look like now!

[majortinkle]

Ok let’s play this game. Marshall is maybe the most promising ruck in the afl. As a forward we have no idea yet. Ryder as a forward is at best average. If Marshall rucks less we have a lower quality ruckman replacing him. That to me makes us worse. If he rucks the same as he does now we have a lower quality forward in the forward line for around 100 minutes. We will be better for 20 minutes but worse for 100. The only way this works is if Marshall becomes a star forward. Even then we are worse in the ruck.

What about Marshall rucking forward half 100% rather than centre square back for 80%?

 

[majortinkle]

Hope you are right but from the interview I heard with him he sounded like he expects to be a regular

Lethlean quoted as saying would be rucking for the 1st team

 

[Veer Right]

Ok let’s play this game. Marshall is maybe the most promising ruck in the afl. As a forward we have no idea yet. Ryder as a forward is at best average. If Marshall rucks less we have a lower quality ruckman replacing him. That to me makes us worse. If he rucks the same as he does now we have a lower quality forward in the forward line for around 100 minutes. We will be better for 20 minutes but worse for 100. The only way this works is if Marshall becomes a star forward. Even then we are worse in the ruck.

Lower quality is a stetch. Ryder was AA ruckman two years ago. Ryder will probably have it over Marshall for pure rucking although Marshall would beat him around the ground easily as well as acting as another mid.

 

[Veer Right]

What about Marshall rucking forward half 100% rather than centre square back for 80%?

To me it makes sense that Marshall moves to CHF and rucks that part of the ground as well. No doubt Ryder will swap to give each other a chop out. Really depends if Marshall can develop at a minimum to a 1.5 goal a game forward. If he doesn't take to it, then Marshall will be rucking with Ryder used probably just to bring the ball to ground if he can't mark it up forward.

 

[plugger66]

Lower quality is a stetch. Ryder was AA ruckman two years ago. Ryder will probably have it over Marshall for pure rucking although Marshall would beat him around the ground easily as well as acting as another mid.

Ryder wasn’t even first ruck at port this year.

 

[Veer Right]

Ryder wasn’t even first ruck at port this year.

Port needed Ryder forward as Lycett isn't much of a forward. The reverse may be true at St Kilda.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Marshall is a gun footballer. Maybe we think he can be better utilised than getting banged up in the ruck all day. He is young. He needs protection. You always go on about how experts know more than us... well our coaches are making this call and I'd say they're experts, at least I bloody well hope they are.

Then we'll wait and see how they play them both. It may not be the way you expect.

And rucks are a lot more protected than they used to be.
And....who is going to protect the other rucks against ROMA.!!!!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Port needed Ryder forward as Lycett isn't much of a forward. The reverse may be true at St Kilda.

In the ruck Marshall became one of the highest clearance players in the AFL.
Ryder won't.
We'll be lucky if the ball finds the forward line without Marshall.

 

[Veer Right]

In the ruck Marshall became one of the highest clearance players in the AFL.
Ryder won't.
We'll be lucky if the ball finds the forward line without Marshall.

Good point

 

[Jade Buddha]

Ok let’s play this game. Marshall is maybe the most promising ruck in the afl. As a forward we have no idea yet. Ryder as a forward is at best average. If Marshall rucks less we have a lower quality ruckman replacing him. That to me makes us worse. If he rucks the same as he does now we have a lower quality forward in the forward line for around 100 minutes. We will be better for 20 minutes but worse for 100. The only way this works is if Marshall becomes a star forward. Even then we are worse in the ruck.

Marshall is one of the most promising young ruck men because he thinks and acts like a mid and follows his own or oppositions tap work. His actual ruck work is average at best Ryder can help to develop him here and alternate.
Marshall’s forward work looks ok from the small sample size we have but in order to develop this he needs more time in that space. If he is to develop another string to his bow this is it and we need more than one damaging forward.
Ryder is a very good tap ruckman 2017 AA. He can go forward but playing there full time is not his go. He’s needed to be one of our rucks and help Marshall progress and provide a physical presence in the forward line to help M King.
It’ll be interesting to see how Ryder compliments our mid structure.

 

[Jade Buddha]

Grundy seems ok in the role. No protecting him.

How many years has Grundy played ruck? This is tear is his first

 

[plugger66]

How many years has Grundy played ruck? This is tear is his first

Yep and they didn’t try to make him play elsewhere when he was younger

 

[Jade Buddha]

Yep and they didn’t try to make him play elsewhere when he was younger

Marshall or Grundy?
Point is one is experienced in the ruck and one isn’t

 

[Premium]

Hope you are right but from the interview I heard with him he sounded like he expects to be a regular

I know one thing he might be a good ruckman but going on 32 I wouldn't be expecting to much from him ,we need to find another ruckman from somewhere.
I heard someone saying Alabakis is heading in the right direction well he better be because if Marshall breaks down he could end up being our only option.

 

[saintkildaman]

I would be surprised if Ryder isn’t in the round 1 team to be honest.

 

[plugger66]

Marshall or Grundy?
Point is one is experienced in the ruck and one isn’t

But when Grundy wasn’t that experienced he was still playing ruck. Marshall won’t get ruck experience as a forward

 

[plugger66]

I know one thing he might be a good ruckman but going on 32 I wouldn't be expecting to much from him ,we need to find another ruckman from somewhere.
I heard someone saying Alabakis is heading in the right direction well he better be because if Marshall breaks down he could end up being our only option.

Alabakis might be heading in he right direction but he is walking They will surely take another ruck. They need one for sandy for a start.

 

[Veer Right]

On the plus side whatever Ratten decides to do, Roughead training our forward talls is going to help immensely.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Howard has rucked in the SAFL and a couple of times for Port.

 

[Jade Buddha]

But when Grundy wasn’t that experienced he was still playing ruck. Marshall won’t get ruck experience as a forward

He’ll be doing at least 50% you’d think. Also not a fan of just giving him game time as a way of improving he needs peers to feed off.

 

[bergholt]

On the plus side whatever Ratten decides to do, Roughead training our forward talls is going to help immensely.

Is he coaching at all? I thought he was just doing list management.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Apparently our list looks like this, the face of every player mashed together

 

[Diehard Saint]

Gears and Jake both triggered new contracts for next year.
Does anyone know how long these contracts are for? One year?
Gears must surely be in his last one or two years and Jake a possible trade target end of next season, I would imagine.
Should free up a decent amount of cap space to go towards a FA.

 

[tim_saints]

Ryder wasn’t even first ruck at port this year.

Lycett got dropped and they paid him like a top ruck in the league too so I wouldn’t read into anything Port do with their players at the moment, not even sure they know what they are doing

 

[BrutThough]

Gears and Jake both triggered new contracts for next year.
Does anyone know how long these contracts are for? One year?
Gears must surely be in his last one or two years and Jake a possible trade target end of next season, I would imagine.
Should free up a decent amount of cap space to go towards a FA.

Both are one year deals.