Prediction What happens next? - Collingwood after Ed

[domus]

I think Eddie's biggest mistake was not having the guts to confront Lumumba head on. It was clear that he, Bucks and others believed Lumumba had "issues" and a lot of baggage. Instead of accommodating his BS which only emboldened him, they should have pulled out his profile and asked former players like Simon Buckley

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to speak out about the fact he happily called himself The Chimp and never once showed displeasure or hurt when others did the same. I would confront Lumumba with this fact and enjoy watching him wriggle his way out of the blatant hypocrisy of his position.

I would have spoken openly about his disruptive influence on the club due to his self obsession and constant finger pointing at others- eg. His tantrum over Seedsman's nickname. It would have drawn some flak but the vast majority of people would have been exposed to the deceitful. manipulative nature of the club's accuser.

Instead they placated and almost tacitly confirmed his victim status by saying they were sorry for what he endured and saying things will have to change. That was a betrayal of the players because it inferred they were insensitive at best and racist at worst. Eddie lost the presidency by trying to appease the mob and you can never do that.

 

[sr36]

Anyway, in terms of what happens next. It's pretty clear, we move on. We follow the recommendations of the review. We pay the repatriations that they spoke of, if they are deemed appropriate. We follow the other recommendations of the review. I doubt anyone inside or outside the club is going to disagree with any of the recommendations - except for preferential hiring practices - which is always going to be a thorny issue. But you can't not follow that recomendation - you can't get experts in to review and tell you how to be better and then decide that - nah - we know better than the experts on this.

 

[whiskeytown]

I reckon you're blurring economics with social stuff. They weren't as clear cut as this. They were originally interest groups that came together with a common goal - irregardless of economic leanings. It's only more recently that they've been pigeon-holed into one of two streams where people are viewed as conforming to the group on all issues.

I’d argue the environment, indigenous rights, women’s rights, LGBTQI rights etc were always more aligned with Marxist communitarian ideals than conservative ideals of church, capitalism and nation

Hard pressed to find capitalists and religious folk amongst activists and greens voters

 

[Leviathan Pie]

My concern is that the concept of sponsorship as an advertising tool is becoming a bit old school and losing its value. Companies can put their brand in front of far more targeted eyeballs using Facebook or Google for a tiny fraction of the price of a major sponsorship.

Look across the brands emblazoned on the front of sports shirts ... how many of them are new exciting progressive brands that have been established in the last 20 years? How many do you reckon will be around in the next 20 years?

Plenty.

 

[shizzle]

We were once proud to be the most hated club. Who cares what other teams supporters think about us? Why should we want to tone the hate? I don't want to be a vanilla club which people can take or leave. If they choose to believe we are racist monsters that's their issue.

I’d argue the environment, indigenous rights, women’s rights, LGBTQI rights etc were always more aligned with Marxist communitarian ideals than conservative ideals of church, capitalism and nation

Hard pressed to find capitalists and religious folk amongst activists and greens voters

We got some Karen's on this board, so mad, so sad...

 

[sr36]

I’d argue the environment, indigenous rights, women’s rights, LGBTQI rights etc were always more aligned with Marxist communitarian ideals than conservative ideals of church, capitalism and nation

Hard pressed to find capitalists and religious folk amongst activists and greens voters

Wasn't always easy to find unionists, who looked at job protection, to agree with green issues either. The socialist movement came from a far more conservative sector of society than the upper class that they were trying to depose. Socialism and homosexuality haven't had a happy history.

 

[whiskeytown]

We got some Karen's on this board, so mad, so sad...

Thanks for the intellectual reply. Now back to your Tonka trucks... the adults are talking

 

[whiskeytown]

Wasn't always easy to find unionists, who looked at job protection, to agree with green issues either. The socialist movement came from a far more conservative sector of society than the upper class that they were trying to depose. Socialism and homosexuality haven't had a happy history.

Agree there when it comes to the labour movement. The old DLP are a prime example of that. Workers rights but a very conservative social outlook

Likewise when it comes to the labour movement and the environment. Still that schism evident in Joel Fitzgibbon Labor and Mark Lathams defection to One Nation

 

[Markfs]

We were once proud to be the most hated club. Who cares what other teams supporters think about us? Why should we want to tone the hate? I don't want to be a vanilla club which people can take or leave. If they choose to believe we are racist monsters that's their issue.

I'm not fussed what people think of the club. I was merely pointing out that they do. I also see opportunities to manipulate the image if that means more money from sponsors. I dont actively seek hate like you do Domie. I dont see the point. If the club can play the media game better than it does now, i'm all for it. And I certainly see that as a major role for the president.

There's a lot of people who are supporting eddie because they dont think he's a racist. Whether he is, is not the point. A part of his role was to ensure that the club was not perceived to be racist. He failed on a number of occasions. He failed again with the strategy employed at the start of last week's press conference. It was Eddie's strategy alone. He didnt confer with other board members. It was the wrong strategy. He failed. It is not the first time. I accept that Eddie has weaknesses in the way he does the job and he has positives. In many ways, its a ying yang thing. He brings a lot to the table with his positive spin. However, the negative side was apparent at the press conference. It now outweighs the positives. I think he should go. It comprises many aspects. His lack of consultation. His inability to allow others in the club to make decisions without his interference. His conflict of interest problems throughout his tenure. His lack of objectivity when it comes to making decisions concerning friends that work for the club. His tendency to employ friends. The list goes on. He has great energy and we know his commitment to the club. However on a number of occasions during his resignation speech, I had the feeling that he felt that he had personal responsibility for outcomes.... and I just dont think that's healthy for the long term future of the club.....the fans too. I think the fans have relied too heavily on eddie, and we need to grow up and leave home....

 

[jackcass]

Where does this put Nathan Buckley? Obviously, if we have a mediocre season he will be gone?

Doesn't change his position. It was always contingent upon the teams 2021 performances.

 

[sideswipe]

Agree there when it comes to the labour movement. The old DLP are a prime example of that. Workers rights but a very conservative social outlook

Likewise when it comes to the labour movement and the environment. Still that schism evident in Joel Fitzgibbon Labor and Mark Lathams defection to One Nation

Ah, the DLP! As a kid, whenever Dad took us to the G, we used to park our car at Stan Keon's place in Richmond. He was instrumental in seeding my hatred for that club. The 1980 GF was the Dynamic Lifter.

 

[partypie]

If we all had avatar pics of ourselves, we'd have a far better idea of what and who we were dealing with on the board.

Perhaps it might be a case of ignorance is bliss?

 

[TradeDraft]

So, Eddie knows so many people it will be hard to find someone he does know.
If Murphy is the best qualified replacement, that’s all that matters.
Eddie is gone like you wanted, move on

Glad he is Gone but he still be a Power Broker of the Club

 

[TradeDraft]

I think the best thing is too Look outside of the Club so club can feel Fresh again for the 1st time for a Long Time

 

[TKiL]

Ah, the DLP! As a kid, whenever Dad took us to the G, we used to park our car at Stan Keon's place in Richmond. He was instrumental in seeding my hatred for that club. The 1980 GF was the Dynamic Lifter.

The DLP were a grubby bunch of small minded, manipulative, miserable, two timing pric*s.
Bob Santamaria - (frigging Carlton supporter), Frank McManus, Vince Gair ,

 

[TKiL]

Glad he is Gone but he still be a Power Broker of the Club

How?

 

[jackcass]

Murphy as President and Sizer as VP is my preferred option.
Assuming a better candidate isn’t available and they are both open to it of course.

A Holgate - Sizer ticket is the other I'd throw into the mix.

 

[sideswipe]

The DLP were a grubby bunch of small minded, manipulative, miserable, two timing pric*s.
Bob Santamaria - (frigging Carlton supporter), Frank McManus, Vince Gair ,

Can't say I am overly familiar with the history of Aussie politics of that time, including the DLP. I should be.

 

[TKiL]

Can't say I am overly familiar with the history of Aussie politics of that time, including the DLP. I should be.

Don't waste your time - better off checking seafood recipes etc

 

[sideswipe]

A Holgate - Sizer ticket is the other I'd throw into the mix.

I vote Holgate. She has the credentials. Not sure Sizer as VP is the right go, but as Julia Louis-Dreyfus proved, VPs don't have much influence anyway.

 

[jackcass]

I doubt it. Eddie could of done that in 2003 but proved he learnt nothing from the Goodes debacle.

2003?

 

[sideswipe]

Don't waste your time - better off checking seafood recipes etc

Reply in the Covid thread.

 

[LuckyLee]

Lumumba Settlement.

I hope we continue to learn and initiate change but I also hope we defend and clear our club against any lies or misconceptions spewed out over this attack.

Settlement of what exactly? Has Lumumba lodged a law suit, seeking damages for mental health issues caused by racial vilification?

I don’t doubt that the Club has/had cultural problems and feel that Eddie should have handed over the reins years ago but Lumumba seems to just want to burn the whole place down. He won’t be satisfied until Buckley, Maxwell, Pendles, Sidebottom and any others from that era follow Eddie out the door.


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[sr36]

Agree there when it comes to the labour movement. The old DLP are a prime example of that. Workers rights but a very conservative social outlook

Likewise when it comes to the labour movement and the environment. Still that schism evident in Joel Fitzgibbon Labor and Mark Lathams defection to One Nation

We tend to view the left economically as naturally aligning with social liberals and the right aligning with social conservatives, because that's the way it's panned out in the west due to our two party systems and the most powerful voice for conservatism - the churches - choosing the economic right (in no small part becasue Marx declared war on religion). But the countries that actually had socialist revolutions are the most socially conservative of all. Leftie conservatives and rightie liberals aren't a bizarre phenomenon, history is full of them - and in many ways they seem like they should be more natural when you think about the relative freedoms and control in the different economic and social beliefs. I always find it funny when conservatives talk about standing for freedom.

 

[jackcass]

No thank you to another journalist on the board. Given the delicate financial situation we currently find ourselves in someone with connections at the top end of town plus a demonstrable track record in promoting reconciliation would be my preference.

A starting point could be to reach out to the signatories of the open letter be it in a board or consultant capacity. Given it’s an open letter I find it strange we haven’t yet seen the list of who signed.

I’d also suggest removing the Holden signage immediately and open it up to indigenous service groups to apply for it. I would then match CGU’s $1m funding of toward race relations.

As I understand it, Holden continue to contribute to the club. Something about a fleet of vehicles. Until that arrangement ceases or an alternate naming sponsor is signed, I'm more than happy for the signage to remain.

I'm also opposed to kneejerk tokenism so unless the naming sponsor can contribute financially toward the club as you'd expect from such a prestigious sponsorship, I'm not interested in splurging their name across the club.