Prediction What happens next? - Collingwood after Ed

Do you reckon it will be good thing or a bad thing that will be no succession plan now?

  • Bad thing - if we could have had an orderly handover, that would have been best for the club

    Votes: 16 24.2%
  • Good thing - clean slate, new beginnings

    Votes: 50 75.8%

  • Total voters
    66

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Lucas Jackson

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Reading any social media or even watching abc news today, you'd assume that Collingwood has been a front for the nazi party. I'm very scared we are witnessing the last days of Collingwood.

That might be seen as over the top by some, but some of the viewpoints being presented (not just on social media but by credible news outlets) seem incredibly aggressive and pointed towards Collingwood. Whoever comes in needs to act swiftly or we'll find ourselves losing sponsorship and supporters rapidly.
I understand where you're coming from. With the departure of major sponsor CGU, I also fear how this will affect our revenue earning in the future.
However, I console myself knowing the fact that we are Collingwood and if we were to fall over the AFL would most likely as well. They could not afford to let Collingwood get dragged down
 

Maggie5

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Re CGU, they are not finishing immediately, it will be at the end of the year so maybe it was the end of their contract as they have been with us since 2011.


“Our sponsorship of the Collingwood Football Club will conclude at the end of the 2021 season and we have advised the club that we will redirect $1 million from our final sponsorship payments to programs and initiatives that promote greater race relations and equity. The club has supported this decision.

“We are still in the process of confirming which programs and initiatives we will support but it will include supporting First Nations and ethnically diverse organisations.

“We will provide more details when they are confirmed.”
 

cityslick1

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I can’t agree that the report was fair and balanced. The term 'structural racism' went well beyond anything that was substantiated in the report. Then you add the term ‘toxic culture’ and the gap between substance and conclusions becomes a gulf. The whole club, from president to boot studder to bar staff, has been smeared.
Past behaviour / judgement of guilt in this situation isnt binary. Just because we have done trips up north and helped plenty of people with mixed backgrounds, doesnt absolve us from any poor behaviour. We have done good, but through individual incidents and behaviour, there have been the following findings at the club>>>
  • There is a gap between what Collingwood Football Club says it stands for and what it does
  • The club is more likely to react to media coverage about a racist incident than complaints made within the club
  • Collingwood's response has often been perceived as one where claims of racism are dealt with in terms of damage control and protecting the brand
  • Those who have raised issues felt they paid a high price for speaking out
  • It diminishes the ability of the Club to resolve the dispute internally, and
  • It heightens the risk of public grievance and negative publicity that impacts the Club, its staff, its players and its supporters
No-one has said that every person in the club is racist on a daily basis, or that we have a racist strategy. But we also dont get a free pass for poor behaviour... especially the poor way we have addressed hurtful behaviour and issues in the past. Eddie struggles with this, as he is used to bullying his way out of blame & responsibility, or leveraging old relationships to manipulate the narrative and push the 'nothing to see here' line. Not anymore... & hopefully any current employees complicit in any of this will realise that papering over issues and not dealing with them causes hurt, and just makes problems bigger for the club. The players at least seem to get this, and are committed to lead on driving & supporting change... even if a lot of past issues have not been repeated in a while
 
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cityslick1

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Very impressed with this analysis by the very credible Barry Cassidy, emphasising the need for an elected board and time limits as well as some commonsense as to where things went wrong.


He's spot on. & plenty have been saying it for a long time... but felt powerless to do anything about it. Have said it before, but Eddie has ruled the club as a mix between a mafia and heavyweight union boss. He'll claim unfair treatment until the day he dies, but the club has a feeling of clear air in front of it now...
 

60 Yards Out

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Past behaviour / judgement of guilt in this situation isnt binary. Just because we have done trips up north and helped plenty of people with mixed backgrounds, doesnt absolve us from any poor behaviour. We have done good, but through individual incidents and behaviour, there have been the following findings at the club>>>
  • There is a gap between what Collingwood Football Club says it stands for and what it does
  • The club is more likely to react to media coverage about a racist incident than complaints made within the club
  • Collingwood's response has often been perceived as one where claims of racism are dealt with in terms of damage control and protecting the brand
  • Those who have raised issues felt they paid a high price for speaking out
  • It diminishes the ability of the Club to resolve the dispute internally, and
  • It heightens the risk of public grievance and negative publicity that impacts the Club, its staff, its players and its supporters
No-one has said that every person in the club is racist on a daily basis, or that we have a racist strategy. But we also dont get a free pass for poor behaviour... especially the poor way we have addressed hurtful behaviour and issues in the past. Eddie struggles with this, as he is used to bullying his way out of blame & responsibility, or leveraging old relationships to manipulate the narrative and push the 'nothing to see here' line. Not anymore... & hopefully any current employees complicit in any of this will realise that papering over issues and not dealing with them causes hurt, and just makes problems bigger for the club. The players at least seem to get this, and are committed to lead on driving & supporting change... even if a lot of past issues have not been repeated in a while
I’m not saying that our good works absolve bad behaviour, or that we get a free pass. Of course not. I’m saying that the findings, which you’ve set out in bullet points in your post, are not supported by facts in the report. The only factual basis given in the report is the half dozen historical incidents listed. Yet the generalised findings of structural racism and a toxic culture are given in present tense — “is”. At best this is internally inconsistent. At worst it’s disingenuous.
 

Black_White

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Re CGU, they are not finishing immediately, it will be at the end of the year so maybe it was the end of their contract as they have been with us since 2011.


“Our sponsorship of the Collingwood Football Club will conclude at the end of the 2021 season and we have advised the club that we will redirect $1 million from our final sponsorship payments to programs and initiatives that promote greater race relations and equity. The club has supported this decision.

“We are still in the process of confirming which programs and initiatives we will support but it will include supporting First Nations and ethnically diverse organisations.

“We will provide more details when they are confirmed.”
The sponsorship contract was up for renewal at the end of this year. The fact that this whole incident has made renewal negotiations impossible is a financial blow.
The fact that CGU have even taken the step of withholding $1 million, in a year where revenue has been virtually zero, adds to the situation.
 

partypie

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It unfortunately looks like we're entering into a period of rather heavy uncertainty now, both off the field (especially with our finances as we'd have to be a bit of a corporate pariah at the moment when it comes to any sort or association with the club on a sponsorship or endorsement level), as well as on the field with Bucks' future up in the air and the general morale around the club almost certainly being strained to some degree.

It's probably going to be a painful couple of years to be a Collingwood supporter if I'm being honest about it, but it's not like we haven't been through tough times before eyyy...
 

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I will be very surprised if we see any galvanising effect. The club looks split. The playing group is lower part of 8 at best but potentially quite inexperienced.

I doubt this will be a good year to be a 1st or 2nd year player at Collingwood. Real chance a few will need to be tested before they are ready. These kids have almost all just missed a year of footy development and will need nurturing

Hard to do effectively in a fractured club where the outside world is looking for blood
Yes the out side world is looking for blood and they got some, but are we really a fractured club though.
Does not show with the women’s team, and according to the track watches the men’s are a happy crew why’ll training.
Yes we are younger, it had to happen with so many of our experience players on there last legs so to speak. With the 1st & 2nd years they will be ok, don’t forget we as a club are not the only ones with that problem, if it is one.
Sometimes youth reinvigorates the playing list, with freshness and enthusiasm
Unless we get a huge injury toll, l think we are in good shape on the field.
In the past when there is a fracture in the club, it’s between the players and the administration, that doesn’t seem to be there yet.
 

Jen2310

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Collingwood have named Mark Korda and Peter Murphy as interim co-presidents to replace Eddie McGuire while the club undertakes a search for a long-term successor to the long-serving McGuire.

The Magpies said in a statement on Thursday, after holding a board meeting on Wednesday, that former Australia Post chief executive and board member Christine Holgate would head up the search for candidates both internal and external.


“The board believes that there are a number of high quality internal candidates and wishes to consider external candidates for the vacancy. In replacing both the president and the casual vacancy role, the board wants time to determine what further professional expertise it wishes to bring to the board table,” the statement said.

The Magpies are also searching for a board member to replace the vacancy created by McGuire on what had been a seven-member board. The process is expected to take eight weeks.



The statement also addressed initial plans for implementing recommendations from the Do Better report, which said there had been “systemic racism” at the club.

“The implementation plan of the Do Better report findings was also addressed at Wednesday’s meeting. It was determined that the expert advisory panel recommended by the Do Better report will be established as a priority and report directly to the board,” the statement said.

“This work has already commenced and an announcement on the formation of the panel will be made next week.

“Further, the club will employ a strategic advisor to provide expert advice as the club begins to implement all the recommendations of the Do Better report across the organisation. This role will report directly to chief executive Mark Anderson. This appointment is also expected to be announced next week.”
 

Gone Critical

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Yes the out side world is looking for blood and they got some, but are we really a fractured club though.
Does not show with the women’s team, and according to the track watches the men’s are a happy crew why’ll training.
Yes we are younger, it had to happen with so many of our experience players on there last legs so to speak. With the 1st & 2nd years they will be ok, don’t forget we as a club are not the only ones with that problem, if it is one.
Sometimes youth reinvigorates the playing list, with freshness and enthusiasm
Unless we get a huge injury toll, l think we are in good shape on the field.
In the past when there is a fracture in the club, it’s between the players and the administration, that doesn’t seem to be there yet.
Hope you are right. The unknown youth in the club is one of the keys to the future. With no U18 footy last year and our 2019 draftees not having much opportunity we have a large group of unknowns

If Hine has been able to pick some gems out we will be in good shape, if we only get a few best 22's and no A grade talent from these 2 drafts, which is one of the realistic options we will be in trouble. We have a large unknown element in our list currently. Its not until we get some real AFL/VFL matches happening that we start to get some idea of where we stand.
 

barrackers

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If the recent co-football managers is any indication the co-presidents suggests that we're seeking an external candidate.

While Murphy has been part of a few publicly known functions such as our 2017 review and on that basis I think he'd make a good president I'm also pleased that we're potentially seeking to fill the role from outside the current board.
 

LuckyLee

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Think this is an gross exaggeration. The guy isnt evil, and what would he have against the supporters, except for the ones who have directed vitriol at him. He wants an apology for the hurt that was caused, admission of the club's failures, and some financial compensation. A lot of this is already in play.... Eddie just opened old wounds with his denial & narcissism, and made things worse.

The AFL treating the matter seriously, Eddie going, the players statement, a new president's mandate to act on the review's findings - maybe even including a follow up comment from Bucks acknowledging some sort of responsibility / commitment to improve (maybe tricky) - would heal most if not all wounds. Then the club has covered all bases... like it should, as an accountable organisation and leader in the Australian sporting landscape / public eye.
I don’t doubt that Lumumba suffered from racism while at the club (blatant, casual, ignorant, systemic - you name it). My point is that he has become so enraged and damaged in the aftermath that he seems past the point of accepting an apology and/or monetary settlement and instead seems more interested in retribution.

A settlement would require him to make peace with the Club on some level and to tone-down his media platform as a (genuine) victim of the club’s culture and specific individuals. I find it hard to believe that he’d be willing to do that.


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Dynamics

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Yeah, the ABC have been going very hard. And much of it has been quite unreasonable.

One report went along the lines of ...

“... and Ed went on and on and on about all the things he’s done , even about LGBTQIA+ stuff and dunno what that’s got to do with anything ...”

... stuff ...

“... anyway, hopefully Collingwood becomes a place that is inclusive, not just on the basis of race, but issues like LGBTQI+ as well”

Another report had a crack at him for deigning to list his social achievements ... and pointing out how incongruent they were with what has gone down over the last few weeks. Well, yeah, what did they expect him to do, confess to being a secret KKK member for the last 23 years?
Say what you will about Eddie and all the events of the past few weeks (I remain highly conflicted about the whole thing and find it difficult to post about), this stuff represented the worst of cancel culture. It's not enough that the man left the job. They wanted him to get down on his knees and confess to being an unbridled bigot. To take his own life in a final act of contrition. It was disgusting. Let the man have a couple of minutes to talk about some achievements before he leaves a position he held for over 20 years!
 

jackcass

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It unfortunately looks like we're entering into a period of rather heavy uncertainty now, both off the field (especially with our finances as we'd have to be a bit of a corporate pariah at the moment when it comes to any sort or association with the club on a sponsorship or endorsement level), as well as on the field with Bucks' future up in the air and the general morale around the club almost certainly being strained to some degree.

It's probably going to be a painful couple of years to be a Collingwood supporter if I'm being honest about it, but it's not like we haven't been through tough times before eyyy...
It'll be CV19 crowd limits that have the greatest impact on our finances.

The club will lose a few members but will gain others.

Club just needs to change the messaging into "this is what we've already done to address the review recommendations, and these are the strategies we're implementing to ensure we fully meet all those recommendations. We want to be seen as leaders in this area". Get that done and sponsors will stick fat by and large.
 

jackcass

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partypie

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I'm guessing if Holgate is running the search she hasn't thrown her hat into the ring.
I don't think she realistically can / would - another case of someone who has been in the news for the wrong reasons perhaps needing to keep a lower profile for a bit.
 

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