Opinion What If... ??

[mike123]

Its off season and I'm bored so I want to know everybody's thoughts on some what if scenario's.

What if we managed to recruit Judd and Brown. Does that gives us a dynasty or do we overpay and get nothing?

Any other what moments that would change the course of the future?

 

[left at home]

would have to over pay to get judd, but l think brown was more gettable. with brown we would have won at least one or two more flags.
judd would have cost us the one we got

 

[Kappa]

would have to over pay to get judd, but l think brown was more gettable. with brown we would have won at least one or two more flags.
judd would have cost us the one we got

So we magically get Brown on a massive salary and lose no one?

Interesting. Mark us down for an extra 3 flags

 

[neilk]

We almost got Lockett. What if that had happened?

 

[left at home]

So we magically get Brown on a massive salary and lose no one?

Interesting. Mark us down for an extra 3 flags

and judd would be on less. we would have to give up to much in the draft to get judd. 2007 was obtainable for us.
having brown does not make it a certainly. and yes he would have been on big coin, so

 

[mike123]

We almost got Lockett. What if that had happened?

Interesting question though I'm less familiar with the circumstances.

 

[Soups]

Its off season and I'm bored so I want to know everybody's thoughts on some what if scenario's.

What if we managed to recruit Judd and Brown. Does that gives us a dynasty or do we overpay and get nothing?

Any other what moments that would change the course of the future?

Would have been interesting. Looking back at the time we probably had to give away one of Thomas or Pendles. A lot of people didn't want that to happen, but knowing the things we know now a lot would have given up Thomas for Judd (plus whatever else).

We went hard at Brown in 2005 and then again in 2008. Would have been similar to situation to what we would have to pay for Judd. Not sure what we would have paid in 2008.

Both players probably should have chosen us because they probably would have gotten at least 1 more flag and who knows maybe another one.

 

[TradeDraft]

What IF Bucks and Rocca did not get Injured in the last Qtr of 2007 PF vs Cats. Would we won or still lost?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

What if we used our number 1 draft pick on Matthew Pavlich and not Joshua Fraser?

I'd suggest we'd have won, one extra flag (2002) as a minimum (we'd win that game) Very likely 2 with 2007 knocking off Geelong in the Prelim then bashing up on Port Adelaide.
Then there's 2011?

Basically assuming all other variables were the same, Pavlich would have offered so much in partnership with firstly Anthony Rocca and then Travis Cloke.

That's one that you'd like to use hind sight.

(Note: it was absolutely universal that Josh Fraser was considered the number 1 pick at the time.)

 

[mike123]

What IF Bucks and Rocca did not get Injured in the last Qtr of 2007 PF vs Cats. Would we won or still lost?

What if Bucks played the whole season? I think we would have finished top 4 and been able to win the premiership.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

What IF Bucks and Rocca did not get Injured in the last Qtr of 2007 PF vs Cats. Would we won or still lost?

Won!
Then bashed up Port

 

[mike123]

Basically assuming all other variables were the same, Pavlich would have offered so much in partnership with firstly Anthony Rocca and then Travis Cloke.

All three could play in same side given Rocca could ruck.

 

[TradeDraft]

Won!
Then bashed up Port

I Believe we beat Port in the GF but not by as much as Geelong Did

 

[Soups]

What if we used our number 1 draft pick on Matthew Pavlich and not Joshua Fraser?

I'd suggest we'd have won, one extra flag (2002) as a minimum (we'd win that game) Very likely 2 with 2007 knocking off Geelong in the Prelim then bashing up on Port Adelaide.
Then there's 2011?

Basically assuming all other variables were the same, Pavlich would have offered so much in partnership with firstly Anthony Rocca and then Travis Cloke.

That's one that you'd like to use hind sight.

(Note: it was absolutely universal that Josh Fraser was considered the number 1 pick at the time.)

Yep that one was a killer. While Fraser was pretty handy early on in his career playing ruck just killed him. In saying that who would have rucked for us? The ball may never have gotten to Pav

 

[BEEG]

Port would have beaten us in the 2007 GF in my opinion.

 

[TradeDraft]

All three could play in same side given Rocca could ruck.

Rocca Rucked before Fraser early in Josh's Career

 

[barrackers]

What if we used our number 1 draft pick on Matthew Pavlich and not Joshua Fraser?

I'd suggest we'd have won, one extra flag (2002) as a minimum (we'd win that game) Very likely 2 with 2007 knocking off Geelong in the Prelim then bashing up on Port Adelaide.
Then there's 2011?

Basically assuming all other variables were the same, Pavlich would have offered so much in partnership with firstly Anthony Rocca and then Travis Cloke.

That's one that you'd like to use hind sight.

(Note: it was absolutely universal that Josh Fraser was considered the number 1 pick at the time.)

I agree with 2007, but I don't think it would have made any difference in 2002 unless it meant we traded Tarrant instead of Michael. Fraser had a great year in 2002 kicking 37 goals including 3 in the grand final while Pavlich had a heap of footy playing in defence. To give an idea how Pavlich may have gone as a forward in '02; their prior 2 seasons (2000, 2001) were very similar aside from hitouts and Pavlich kicked 37 goals in 2003.

 

[Kappa]

and judd would be on less. we would have to give up to much in the draft to get judd. 2007 was obtainable for us.
having brown does not make it a certainly. and yes he would have been on big coin, so

You have to factor in which star player (or players) we would lose to recruit Brown on such a big salary. You can't just add him and expect the other 21 players to be the same

 

[TradeDraft]

Port would have beaten us in the 2007 GF in my opinion.

Going Off?

 

[Markfs]

how about if we recruited ted Hopkins from carlton in 1969..... or phil baker from the roos in the mid 70s?

what if we recruited wayne harmes.... and we made Michael voss an offer in his early years at Brisbane?

what if we got neil Crompton from melb in the early 60s?

what if we had a delorean and we hooked a time machine to it?

 

[BEEG]

Going Off?

Just felt after a performance like that we would have been flat, Pies had nothing to lose Cats everything.

Pies would have almost gone in favourites which would have been pretty tough, let's not forget our record in GFs at the time, Port were a pretty good team that year.

 

[TradeDraft]

Just felt after a performance like that we would have been flat, Pies had nothing to lose Cats everything.

Pies would have almost gone in favourites which would have been pretty tough, let's not forget our record in GFs at the time, Port were a pretty good team that year.

Well Port was Super Flat as Geelong Destroyed Them.

I say Port might of gone in Favorites as they Beat North very well in the Prelim

 

[mike123]

Pick 14, Rusling and Davis for Chris Judd and Pick 44.

Because we don't get Cameron Wood we pick Dawson Simpson ahead of John McCarthy.

In 2008 we finish in a similar position with Judd and the midfield group still gaining chemistry slightly weaker in the ruck and less scoring power without Davis.

Best 22 in 2008 looks like.

B: Nick Maxwell ~ Nathan Brown ~ Ben Johnson
HB: Heath Shaw ~ Shane Wakelin ~ Heritier O'Brien

M: Rhys Shaw ~ Scott Burns ~ Scott Pendlebury
R: Josh Fraser ~ Chris Judd ~ Dane Swan

HF: Dale Thomas ~ Travis Cloke ~ Alan Didak
F: Chris Bryan ~ Anthony Rocca ~ Paul Medhust

I/C: Shane O'Bree ~ Tarkyn Lockyer ~ Martin Clarke ~ Jack Anthony

Jonathan Brown, 25 and Corrie go to Collingwood for Dale Thomas, Jack Anthony and pick 11. In this alternate time the Rhys Shaw incident doesn't happen so he stays.

Because we didn't recruit Wood our search for a ruckman continues. We use pick 25 and 45 on Robert Warnock.

The Loss of Thomas hurts our midfield/forward rotation slightly coupled with the loss of Jack Anthony but that is evened out by Brown and as a result we finish in a similar position. Our midfield chemistry is better but now our forward line chemistry needs work given the new dynamics.

Best 22 in 2009 looks like:

B: Nick Maxwell ~ Simon Prestigiacomo ~ Ben Johnson
HB: Heath Shaw ~ Leigh Brown ~ Heritier O'Brien

M: Rhys Shaw ~ Scott Pendlebury ~ Alan Didak
R: Robert Warnock ~ Chris Judd ~ Dane Swan

HF: Paul Medhust ~ Travis Cloke ~ Dayne Beams
F: Josh Fraser ~ Jonathon Brown ~ Brad Dick

I/C: Alan Toovey ~ Tarkyn Lockyer ~ Sharrod Wellingham ~ Shane O'Bree

With the partnership of Warnock and Fraser being serviceable we don't chase Jolly and keep pick 14 Lewis Jetta and still pick up Ball at 30 to replace an ageing O'Bree.

Best 22 for 2010

B: Nick Maxwell ~ Nathan Brown ~ Ben Johnson
HB: Heath Shaw ~ Ben Reid ~ Heritier O'Brien

M: Scott Pendlebury ~ Luke Ball ~ Alan Didak
R: Robert Warnock ~ Chris Judd ~ Dane Swan

HF: Paul Medhurst ~ Travis Cloke ~ Dayne Beams
F: Josh Fraser ~ Jonathon Brown ~ Brad Dick

I/C: Rhys Shaw ~ Alan Toovey ~ Sharrod Wellingham ~ Lewis Jetta

This side wins the premiership no draw.

Brad Dick doesn't get injured in this alternate timeline and Medhurst finds easier to keep his spot playing his role with Brown in the forwardline. And Fraser playing as a 2nd ruck the year before is less cooked and keeps his spot.

Medhurst still best 22 plays on for another year with Lockyer given the tap on shoulder.
The club still recruits Tarrant and Krakouer.
Sub rule also doesn't come in because **** the sub rule.

2011 best 22:
B: Nick Maxwell ~ Chris Tarrant ~ Ben Johnson
HB: Heath Shaw ~ Ben Reid ~ Heritier O'Brien

M: Lewis Jetta ~ Luke Ball ~ Scott Pendlebury
R: Robert Warnock ~ Chris Judd ~ Dane Swan

HF: Brad Dick ~ Travis Cloke ~ Dayne Beams
F: Josh Fraser ~ Jonathon Brown ~ Andrew Krakouer

I/C: Alan Toovey ~ Rhys Shaw ~ Alan Didak ~ Sharrod Wellingham

With big game players in Judd and Brown added we go back to back.

Fraser retires as a 200+ game two time premiership player and Medhurt goes on to play for GWS after missing out on the 2011 grandfinal. Lewis Jetta after his two years asks for a trade, says the premierships have been fun but I want to go home and Brad Dick and Alan Toovey follows suit.

Ross Lyon loving his defensive players gives up pick 20 for Toovey which is on traded for Danyle Pearce to try and replace the run of Jetta and Dick.
Jetta and Dick both go to west coast for pick 23 and Scott Lycett. Pick 23 is used on Henry Schade just for you THATSGOLD

In an effort to replace Brad Dick's scoring power and reduce the workload on our ageing mids we decide to play Judd, Swan more in the forward line and give Ball more of a rest down there as well.

2012 best 22:
B: Nick Maxwell ~ Nathan Brown ~ Chris Tarrant
HB: Heath Shaw ~ Ben Reid ~ Heritier O'Brien

M: Sharrod Wellingham ~ Luke Ball ~ Danyle Pearce
R: Robert Warnock ~ Scott Pendlebury ~ Dayne Beams

HF: Dane Swan ~ Travis Cloke ~ Chris Judd
F: Scott Lycett ~ Jonathon Brown ~ Andrew Krakouer

I/C: Ben Johnson ~ Rhys Shaw ~ Alex Fasolo ~ Alan Didak

No knee injuries for Krak or Ball and Fasolo breaks out just like he did. Nathan Brown comes back and Tarrant plays Toovey's old role.

 

[Jasper84]

End of 1999 season, Tredrea was out of contract and wanted to come back to Victoria. In his own words, Tredrea said that if he hadn't changed his mind, he would of gone to Collingwood with the first pick in the preseason draft. If it had gotten over the line and with the form he was in at the time, 2002 and 2003 could have been a whole lot different.

 

[DERKADERRR]

These kinda of discussions just make me sad.

What if in the 2011 grand final Dane Swan's mark had counted in the Geelong defence before half time and we carry over momentum?

What if Tarrant played on Hawkins instead of Reid?

What if the ball is called out of bounds when Wayne Harmes hit it?

What if Rocca's goal had been actually called a goal in the 2002 grand final?

What if Milne got to the ball in time and booted a goal?

What if Rocca didn't get suspended for the 2003 grand final?

What if Jason Cloke didn't get suspended for the 2002 grand final?

We just have to live with what happened. (Not saying it shouldn't be discussed)