Discussion What is holding us back from becoming an MMA powerhouse?

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Nickos66

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I don't think Megan gets a shot anytime soon, she got outgrappled by Holly Holm ffs.

She would benefit massively just spending a coupe of years ironing out some of the big kinks in her defensive grappling to keep things standing where's she's best suited. It's be tough being at the elite pinnacle of the sport with everybody capitalising on your deficiencies - that never appeared to be deficiencies until you started fighting internationally regularly.
 

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I don't think Megan gets a shot anytime soon, she got outgrappled by Holly Holm ffs.

She would benefit massively just spending a coupe of years ironing out some of the big kinks in her defensive grappling to keep things standing where's she's best suited. It's be tough being at the elite pinnacle of the sport with everybody capitalising on your deficiencies - that never appeared to be deficiencies until you started fighting internationally regularly.
Speaking of Holly Megan should get along to Greg Jackson's gym, whatever they taught Holly before her Ronda fight worked a treat.
 

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Not sure Holly won that fight as much as Ronda had a mental implosion and some of the worst coaching of all time
I thought I remembered that Holly had done a lot of work with Jon Jones for that fight. I don't understand a lot of grappling stuff but figured Holly must have learnt some decent defences to keep the fight standing for that.
 

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The strategy for that fight was centered around avoiding the clinch at all costs, she was more or less a matador in that fight. It's questionable how long she'd have lasted if Ronda didn't believe she was an elite boxer. Holly never actually engaged in anything that could be considered grappling in that fight.
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I thought I remembered that Holly had done a lot of work with Jon Jones for that fight. I don't understand a lot of grappling stuff but figured Holly must have learnt some decent defences to keep the fight standing for that.
That might be true, it's just Ronda thought she was the best striker in the world in her head and then she got it kicked off. I don't remember Holly having to use it once.
 

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That might be true, it's just Ronda thought she was the best striker in the world in her head and then she got it kicked off. I don't remember Holly having to use it once.
Ronda did have some moments where she got Holly in the clinch. Holly's A defense was footwork, but when clinched she would put an arm across Ronda's midsection to stop her getting hip to hip which really nullified her judo.



Holly following that gameplan and being physically strong enough to implement it against Ronda paid off in spades. I don't think Ronda had ever fought someone as strong as Holly and was surprised when she couldn't toss her on her head immediately.

Ronda got absolutely destroyed in that fight but did Rock Holly with a left hook at one point. I don't think she thought she was the best striker in the world (despite the drivel that came out of Tavardyen's mouth) but believed in her power and her chin enough to think she could hang there.
 

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It would appear that rugby background is good for MMA, Volkanovski, Tuivasa, there's probably more, I guess toughness and the ability to control an opponent are transferable.
 

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It would appear that rugby background is good for MMA, Volkanovski, Tuivasa, there's probably more, I guess toughness and the ability to control an opponent are transferable.
Rugby is just miles tougher than AFL these days. Those blokes are men, AFL lists are 50% boys these days.
 

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