What is the appeal of Clive Palmer?
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A rich crook using his cash to sandbag for a conservative win, on the hope it means lower taxes.
It's the Trump/Bolsonaro/BoJo/Erdogan/Orban phenomena.
Snake oil salesmen have some appeal in times of uncertainty, by appealing to reactionary views.
It's the Trump/Bolsonaro/BoJo/Erdogan/Orban phenomena.
Snake oil salesmen have some appeal in times of uncertainty, by appealing to reactionary views.
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Factionalism has never been so rife in the Liberal Party as it is now and Palmer has seen the possibilities in monetising disaffected members. I'd argue the PUP is not so much a political movement as a business venture, what should really worry the Libs is a properly organised conservative party capable of shaving off the sort of numbers from them that the Greens have from Labor.
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This makes no sense.
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Just ignore her. She derails as many threads as Bruce does away from their subject.
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That you don't understand, or are pretending not to in order to protect your position, is a you problem.
Every single person who takes more than a recent snapshot of politics has seen how the entire western world has shifted simultaneously towards globalism and socially progressive policy, this has reset the base point for what is that fence in the middle more to the left/progressive side.
Meanwhile people are more depressed than ever. So yay, better not look to much into it, just keep validating forever adolescence and self medicating through drugs and alcohol when their push for equality of outcome has only made things worse.
awwwwww ...... those poor hard done by righties .... having to acknowledge and respect the gains made by progressives (read - emasculated neanderthal mouth dribblers having to wind back their sense of entitlement)
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What's wrong with socially progressive policy?
Which definition of The Western World do you use?
Western world - Wikipedia
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What's wrong with socially progressive policy?
Which definition of The Western World do you use?
Western world - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
There's nothing wrong with it.
I'm pointing out that the definition of center has shifted left quite a bit.
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Which is totally why all the governments of the word are socially progressive... wait no.
USA: Democrats... almost right-leaning on many topics, and after the fascistic tactics of Trump.
UK: Conservatives.
Australia: Conservatives.
Brazil: Conservatives (fascists?).
Russia: Fascists.
Do you mean we are trying to shift away from attacking and excluding, marginalising and bashing the * out of LGBT+ people? That's a good thing.
Do you mean we are trying to be less racist? That's a good thing.
The only thing the world is not generally trying to do is keep wages and working conditions up. Plenty of exceptions here and there. OH&S and the like, but these things benefit business in fewer lost days.
I don't have a watertight argument and I haven't studied all the facts, but from where I am sitting it looks like we are trying to become more humane, while still bleeding money out of people through lower wages, union-busting, dodgy financial products, un-affordable housing and so on.
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The same Democrats that almost had a self declared socialist as their nominee for president, twice... Yes. That's right in character for the US historically.
You're confusing me stating an objective fact with me having an opinion on it.
The Overton Window has shifted left, that has happened. That's as far as I am speaking on it, I quite like the progressive policies of Australia but they aren't centrist and pretending as such is what leads to extremism.
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Remember when this thread was about discussing what the appeal of Clive Palmer was?
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We are, the ALP of 2022 is not the same as the ALP of even twenty years ago. The foundation of support from working class people has been cast aside for the support of their children who grew up to work office jobs in major cities for the reasons I have detailed above.
That's what is driving people away from the ALP to UAP. A similar thing is happening from the LNP side.
That's what is driving people away from the ALP to UAP. A similar thing is happening from the LNP side.
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The same working class people who want stronger unions, higher wages, stronger medicare etc. i.e. progressive economic policy.
Yet you're claiming these voices are being drowned out of left leaning parties...to gravitate towards a party which has precisely nothing to say about these progressive economic issues.
Stop and think what you say. They're contradictory.
What you seem to be saying is the Overton window has shifted on social issues. It's now less likely a sitting minister will compare gay marriage to beastiality. Which some of us think is a good thing; feel free to disagree.
Yet you're claiming these voices are being drowned out of left leaning parties...to gravitate towards a party which has precisely nothing to say about these progressive economic issues.
Stop and think what you say. They're contradictory.
What you seem to be saying is the Overton window has shifted on social issues. It's now less likely a sitting minister will compare gay marriage to beastiality. Which some of us think is a good thing; feel free to disagree.
What is the appeal of Clive Palmer.......
About the same as what a cane toad has.
About the same as what a cane toad has.
Perhaps people are cynical with the two major parties and the idea (maybe fact, I don't really know) that their members are so focussed on serving the party and climbing within the party and keeping party donors happy that they completely ignore their job - doing what is right by the Australian people.
Then again people who think like this probably won't go in for UAP nonsense like they may have gone for the Democrats back in the day.
I think - let's face it - most publicity for politicians is not good, ergo some people just hate them all, and want to vote for someone they don't know enough about yet to hate.
Then again people who think like this probably won't go in for UAP nonsense like they may have gone for the Democrats back in the day.
I think - let's face it - most publicity for politicians is not good, ergo some people just hate them all, and want to vote for someone they don't know enough about yet to hate.
This is it in a nutshell.
I personally know a few people who are going to vote for uap as what they believe to be a protest vote. They're in for a rude shock.
"Western World"
"Globalism"
This is the end result of countless hours watching American conservative propaganda videos on youtube.
It's a good question, I mean I can see why some racist meathead would vote for One Nation or why an ignorant inner city trendy would go Greens, by why would you tick the box for this self serving gastropod.
