Autopsy What just happened? A draw???

[Countrypie]

50 points up.. I woulda just thrown Reid down back to keep their talls in check.. game was done and dusted if Buckley had done that. They were always going to come back.. Reid stayed up front for the entire game.

I respect your point of view. Two things to consider. Reid is not what he was. He's slower then he was 2 years ago. I'm not sure if Rance, Scarlett, Southby or Jack Regan would have made any dfference. We were getting torched on the turnover and most marks taken in their inside 50 were lace out pin point-the way Adelaide love to play. This was on the back of our inability to make the right choices going forward, allowing them to make easy forward entries. BUt it was worth a try. We were playing 7 in defence for most of the game

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I thought Phillips was the most ineffective player on the ground yesterday

 

[jackcass]

He had a great no excellent first half then went missing for most of the last half, until the dying 3 minutes he got a few possies and the now infamous dumb kick.

Langdon when allowed freedom to peel across is a decent player but when the heat is on tends to make bad decisions and goes missing a bit. Still young and hopefully learns from it.

Gee, a player kicking out between the point and goal posts with a player standing a few meters ahead of him kicks it as far as he can toward the boundary without kicking it OOF, where there was a crowd of team mates, none of whom decided to compete for the ball in the air, and it's Langdon's "infamous dumb kick" rather than the deplorable efforts of 17 team mates. Of course, silly me.

 

[Countrypie]

I thought Phillips was the most ineffective player on the ground yesterday

Probably - seemed a lttle to intense for him. He looks slow to me

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Might have learned that from a section of our supporter base.

Them fighting words

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Some of the ranting at Buckley post-game was peak 2017 on this board.

We butchered the ball in the second half. We turned it over in dangerous spots and opened ourselves up for Adelaide's sling shot footy.

Despite the mounting pressure, we kicked back in the fourth term. Crisp doesn't hit the post, we're 27 points up and home. Reid doesn't hit the post, we're home. Darcy kicks the set shot, we're home.

Adelaide may not have been at their best, but they're a bloody good football side with a number of weapons.

The coach put together a pretty good plan. We shut out their key mids. The defensive match-ups were pretty much spot on.

This group, like we've seen all year, is just not quite ready to execute consistently.

Christ, look out when it is. Look out when we fill a couple of holes on the list. Look out when Moore, JDG, Grundy, Treloar, Adams, Maynard, Hoskin Elliot, Elliot, Scharenberg and a few others have another summer together and begin to work it all out consistently.

Waiting is the hardest part.

Patience
Comes cheap

Not often used

 

[Good_Old]

Noticed your new team, GO. Did you lose a bet?

Nah, it's been that way since Morganashlee , Ilksy and other floggo received welch badges and told they weren't allowed to change their listed teams.

Was gonna change it back after yesterday as to not receive any backlash on here but forgot.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Gee, a player kicking out between the point and goal posts with a player standing a few meters ahead of him kicks it as far as he can toward the boundary without kicking it OOF, where there was a crowd of team mates, none of whom decided to compete for the ball in the air, and it's Langdon's "infamous dumb kick" rather than the deplorable efforts of 17 team mates. Of course, silly me.

And of course no credit for the tackle and free kick he laid to win the kick in the first place....in a game where the umpires steadfastly refused all game to award Collingwood free kicks for holding the ball.

All blame for Blair for getting pinged for htb 50 metres out when all he had to do was waste time with a ground level handball to force another time wasting contest.

 

[DaVe86]

I reckon we were right to keep our structures. Ultimately at 50 points up, the structures were working.

I thought we were also in the game. We had countless opportunities, but just couldn't finish them off. De Goey's mistake in the dying minute of the 2nd quarter was really costly, as were a few misses in the last. Adelaide just didn't miss.

I reckon if we had tried to shut the game down, that Adelaide would've won. We would've been allowing them extra numbers down back, which would've given them even more spring off half-back. They have the fire-power up forward.

This game was actually lost in our forward line, and our inability to lock it in after half time. Overall, we dominated the midfield statistics. Even when Adelaide were kicking 8 out of 9 goals, the actual game was still very much even. They were just opening us up on the counter.

I'm ok with the result. Dissapointing, but plenty to take out.

My real concern is the let down this week. I'm fearful we'll be very flat after that loss, especially now since finals are realistically an impossibility. There isn't even a slim hope anymore. So I think we'll see a less spirited effort. It's only human nature really.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Might have learned that from a section of our supporter base.

.......lol.

Right.

 

[westozpie]

for what's it's worth, it would have been so easy to throw our hands in the air a few rounds ago and collapse much like Carlton are currently doing. All I ask is Effort & Development. Yes mistakes get made but how can anybody demand perfection given that we have so much raw talent in our list. Looking forward to the next few weeks and hopefully a couple more debutants (Daics & Kirby). We are going to frighten the hell out of a few sides and can't wait to play Richmond and Geelong soon, 2 sides that we've had good success over in recent times.

Same here I'm proud of their effort and as for mistakes all clubs have it, even Adelaide. Agree about Carlton as well but be careful you're not howled down by some posters on here who think super coach bolts walks on water and their younger players on their list are unbelievable

 

[Leviathan Pie]

5 posters today. 5. just 1 of those squeeze through and result is different.

And if you're Aunty had balls she'd be your uncle.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda......didn't.

 

[jackcass]

Pretty sure there was no-one loose to kick it to.

That comes down to work rate though of the 17 other players in the team.

 

[ThexderX]

or if Adelaide kick for goal at 70% instead of 81%.

Or if we were better and they were worse
Or if we hit all our targets and they didn't
Or if we took all our marks and they didn't
Or if or if or if or if

Richmond woul be top of the ladder if the didn't lose all their close games.

If Adelaide did all the things they did in the second half in the first half, they would have won by 15 goals....they didn't. We didn't. The rest is just facts....but continue to find excuses.

 

[DaVe86]

And of course no credit for the tackle and free kick he laid to win the kick in the first place....in a game where the umpires steadfastly refused all game to award Collingwood free kicks for holding the ball.

All blame for Blair for getting pinged for htb 50 metres out when all he had to do was waste time with a ground level handball to force another time wasting contest.

Look, there's no point pinning individual blame for individual moments. We'll learn from those hopefully.

The real issue was the break down of our defence in the second half. They should never have even being in a position to contend.

But Adelaide is a super team. We would've beaten anyone by 100 points yesterday. They just move the ball so well, and they as so efficient in front of goals. It was a real lesson for us.

I take a lot out of that first half though. And the parts of the last quarter. I thought we hung on bravely when it looked like we were going to get steam-rolled.

 

[loki04]

Why are focusing on the Langdon kick so much.
Firstly. the fault was with the players who failed to make a contest
Secondly after that monumental heck up of not being able to make a contest we conceded another mark 30 meters out from goal.

Two times in the final 10 seconds of the game we failed to kill the ball. That is the real issue. Not whether or not Langdon should have kicked the ball 1,76 meters closer to the boundry line

You mean 10m closer like to where Darcy Moore was leading instead Darcy had to come back inboard and the pie that it was aimed at was Blair who was in a 2v1 Kelly in front of him.

When Langdon first gets it there are even numbers there with 2 lose crows covering boundary side by the time he kicks it the numbers are even when kelly marks it in that contested area there is 1 extra crow.

The umpire gives langdon only 4 seconds to move it on is this standard? Seems very quick.

Why did langdon not wait for play on call as it would of been deemed a point.

Secondly his kick was to an outnumbered Blair why do we think Blair is a ****ing marking option, Darcy had actually led to the boundary line (where langdon should of kicked it) Darcy had to stop prop and comeback inboard with now 2 crows impeding him.

Dopple was wrong as usual. The choice to where he kicked it and who he aimed it at was ****ing dumb.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

a terribly coached team does not make the top team look second rate.
ADEL lose that game 99 times out of 100 - there is no way they will have an 80% conversion rate in a half of football for a very long time.

Sadly for you and others Bucks is not going down without a fight - what looked like a certain end to his time at the club a few weeks ago is now more uncertain with recent very good performances.

Just so happens said performances are occuring when there's nothing to play for. Finals are totally out of the question.

Superb stuff.

 

[jackcass]

We hit the post four times-they kicked 13 3 in the second half. Cripsy's kick goes through we lead by 27 points and game over. Great effort by the boys against the flag favourites.

5 posters for the game I think.

 

[Anzacday]

Waiting is the hardest part.

 

[ThexderX]

Can we start an excuses thread?

Insert all the excuses as to why we loose each week but could or should win and why we're "not that far off"

My favorite is the weekly "if we kicked straight" excuse. Kind of like the bloke that finishes second to Usain Bolt telling his fans that if he only ran faster he would've won the race.

As my old pappy used to say "if the horse hadn't stopped to take a crap, it would have won the race".

 

[DaVe86]

You mean 10m closer like to where Darcy Moore was leading instead Darcy had to come back inboard and the pie that it was aimed at was Blair who was in a 2v1 Kelly in front of him.

When Langdon first gets it there are even numbers there with 2 lose crows covering boundary side by the time he kicks it the numbers are even when kelly marks it in that contested area there is 1 extra crow.

The umpire gives langdon only 4 seconds to move it on is this standard? Seems very quick.

Why did langdon not wait for play on call as it would of been deemed a point.

Secondly his kick was to an outnumbered Blair why do we think Blair is a ******* marking option, Darcy had actually led to the boundary line (where langdon should of kicked it) Darcy had to stop prop and comeback inboard with now 2 crows impeding him.

Dopple was wrong as usual. The choice to where he kicked it and who he aimed it at was ******* dumb.


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This is where I reckon teams and players need to be a bit smarter.

Personally, I'm not overly critical of Langdon. We should've had all our numbers at that contest because it was the only place it was realistically going to go. You don't want to go too close to the boundary because it might go out on the full.

But when Langdon was holding the ball, if he had just stood there then another second or two would've ticked, and it would've been called a point. That means we get a kick out and reset.

That's a big call to make, especially because it brings the margin back within a kick. But if we have a runner out there yelling "10 seconds"...then Langdon could've done that pretty easy and soaked up the time.

I don't think any player in his circumstance would have thought to do it, especially not knowing how long is on the clock. But it would've been a great strategy.

 

[TheSierBear]

Can we start an excuses thread?

Insert all the excuses as to why we loose each week but could or should win and why we're "not that far off"

My favorite is the weekly "if we kicked straight" excuse. Kind of like the bloke that finishes second to Usain Bolt telling his fans that if he only ran faster he would've won the race.

As my old pappy used to say "if the horse hadn't stopped to take a crap, it would have won the race".

*lose

 

[ZEV]

Langdon's kick from being the point line is one of the hardest to execute. You are kicking uphill, the mark is fiercely guarded and there isn't much room to work with. 90% of the time it goes down the line boundary side.

This is the first time I've ever really missed Heath Shaw or Harry O who would have run past and taken a handball and forced us to create an option on the other side.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Look, there's no point pinning individual blame for individual moments. We'll learn from those hopefully.

The real issue was the break down of our defence in the second half. They should never have even being in a position to contend.

But Adelaide is a super team. We would've beaten anyone by 100 points yesterday. They just move the ball so well, and they as so efficient in front of goals. It was a real lesson for us.

I take a lot out of that first half though. And the parts of the last quarter. I thought we hung on bravely when it looked like we were going to get steam-rolled.

Totally agree the crows were always going to come at us but Blair has made those errors many times over the years. If a spillage from the handball he should have made had resulted in the same outcome then so be it. But he should never have given away a htb free in that situation.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Langdon's kick from being the point line is one of the hardest to execute. You are kicking uphill, the mark is fiercely guarded and there isn't much room to work with. 90% of the time it goes down the line boundary side.

This is the first time I've ever really missed Heath Shaw or Harry O who would have run past and taken a handball and forced us to create an option on the other side.

Heater would have been otherwise distracted abusing his teammates!