Autopsy What just happened? A draw???

[PonsfordMagpie]

Very bittersweet feeling. Very happy with how we played in the first half , but to relinquish a 50 point lead is very disappointing.

We deserved to win, so it feels like a loss. There were supporters around me at the ground who thought we'd won and didn't realise that McGovern had taken the mark initially.

I think this match will make or break us. Will we come out with vengeance next week or will we go back to our shells the way we did after the bye?

Phenomenal performance by Wells today. If only he was five years younger.

 

[Kappa]

Flag tilt can come pretty quick, ie Bulldogs.Treloar is a star pretty sure he's playing injured yet still get a massive numbers, tackles. For the life of me can't work out why you and others seem unhappy that he's with us.You do know he came 4th in the brownlow last year with a limited pre season don't you

They can, but most of the time they don't. Another "Bulldogs" might not happen for 50 years

 

[loki04]

They can, but most of the time they don't. Another "Bulldogs" might not happen for 50 years

Need an even season, a team that every1 feels sorry for and want them to succeed if not their own team in it, AFL and Umps to have a shared desire to see them succeed a good news story and give them a heap of frees or not pay alot against them. And walah.

 

[Americanpies]

Can anyone tell me why the countdown clock on TV doesn't show the last 2 seconds? I've noticed this in other games. Is it because it is not 100% accurate? When the ball was in the air there were 2 seconds remaining, but they seemed a long two seconds... I tried to match the countdown clock with the video clock on the AFL website, and it seems that McGovern takes the mark somewhere UNDER 1 SECOND. But did he get it in time? Maybe he did, but is it possible that he marked the ball AFTER time had officially expired? We don't actually know 100% as the countdown clock disappears at 2 seconds. Is the Siren an automatic thing that runs on what the TV clock says? or does someone manually push the button at zero?

 

[ottoman]

Can anyone tell me why the countdown clock on TV doesn't show the last 2 seconds? I've noticed this in other games. Is it because it is not 100% accurate? When the ball was in the air there were 2 seconds remaining, but they seemed a long two seconds... I tried to match the countdown clock with the video clock on the AFL website, and it seems that McGovern takes the mark somewhere UNDER 1 SECOND. But did he get it in time? Maybe he did, but is it possible that he marked the ball AFTER time had officially expired? We don't actually know 100% as the countdown clock disappears at 2 seconds. Is the Siren an automatic thing that runs on what the TV clock says? or does someone manually push the button at zero?

I think you will find that the siren actually goes half a second or so early in every game.
I think that the reason for that is that by the time the sound reaches the umpires ear it will be correct time. In other words if they sound the siren exactly on time then there is an added fraction of a second for it to reach the umpire so to allow for that it is blown a fraction early.
Either way it doesn't really matter as the game officially finishes when the umpire blows his whistle not when the siren sounds.

 

[sr36]

Goldsack went from chocolates to boiled lollies. Was excellent early, made some bad blunders later. Got schooled in a ground ball one on one, punched an uncontested mark away from Langdon...

The chocolates were only because Jenkins kept dropping uncontested marks. Goldsack got lucky in the first half and then paid the price for his lax defence in the second half.

 

[Sco80]

why didn't the runner run out to Langdon and tell him there's only 10 seconds left? Could of stepped through the goals after play on, kick in, retain pocession and ice the game. It's crazy, it really is

 

[mike123]

why didn't the runner run out to Langdon and tell him there's only 10 seconds left? Could of stepped through the goals after play on, kick in, retain pocession and ice the game. It's crazy, it really is

He would have been pinged for a deliberate rushed behind


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[Sco80]

He would have been pinged for a deliberate rushed behind


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You can make it look not deliberate.

 

[barrackers]

Another 3 quarter effort. They've been falling asleep for 30 minutes all year. Lack of concentration? Is it just a maturity thing? Usually they **** up the 1st or 2nd. Today it was the 3rd, just like the Melbourne game. Looks like the players are losing their focus during the long break. Leave them out on the field then. Don't let them in!

Want to hear about a colossal coaching **** up? Well, there's this player called Grundy, right? And he plays in the ruck. Anyway, half way through the last quarter Grundy's sitting on the bench taking a breather, and while he's doing this, Darcy Moore is having the purplest of purple patches in the ruck, doing a mighty job in Grundy's absence. So impressed is the Collingwood coaching box, that when Grundy is ready to come back on, they don't send him back to the middle of the ground where he belongs, they send him to full forward to stand next to Reid. Needless to say, it backfired royally. Moore's purple patch quickly dissipated. The Crows kicked 2 quick goals, and boy did they rush Grundy right back to the middle after that. So, here's my tip for the coaches this week: If Grundy is ready to come back on the field, send him to the middle. Not full forward. Not full back. Not the wing. Not half back. Not half forward. Not a forward pocket. Not a back pocket. The ruck. Send him into the ruck. If not, you might as well send him under the great southern stand to buy me a coffee.

Now a message to everyone who watches 'the news'. Stop it. I had to wait till 3.20 today to watch my team play because of you pricks. You don't need to watch stories about trigger happy American cops, or about the royal family, or about a bogus cure for cancer, or weight loss tips, or about molesters disguised as priests. And you don't need to watch some tramp talk about the weather for ten ******* minutes. You want to know about the weather? Here it is. For the next few weeks it will be about the same as today. Maybe the temp will increase a little bit. Wear a jacket.

While Grundy was knackered I posted a similar complaint after our VFL loss today in regards to Cox.

 

[sr36]

I'll watch the replay tomoz and either retract it or not, still think it was far too inboard even if we did contest it there would of been hard to kill the contest being a good 20m off the boundary line. Did he kill the clock enough? could he step back through points etc..

He killed the clock as much as possible, the umpire had called play on. Could he have stepped through the points - only god knows if the umpire would have called him for deliberate - would you risk that? No one offered a short - He kicked it where it was always going to be kicked - roughly where everyone else would have kicked it. Yes it could have been closer to the boundary line, but if we hadn't competed, like we didn't for this kick, the result would have been the same.

Only Langdon, Blair or Maynard would have been criticised for that kick.

 

[MISFITS]

Clearly the TV clock is off... Went to 0 and there was still 5 seconds in it.

But the real crime was how old mate was allowed to mark uncontested on the 50. If that was contested, we win.

Feels like I lost a year or two off my eventual lifespan today.

Reviving memories of the initial 2010 GF.

 

[barrackers]

I'll watch the replay tomoz and either retract it or not, still think it was far too inboard even if we did contest it there would of been hard to kill the contest being a good 20m off the boundary line. Did he kill the clock enough? could he step back through points etc..

Langdon was behind the point line, so while he couldn't he have stepped back through the points he could have kicked the footy through the goal posts (off his line) instead of through the goal and behind post. This would have forced the ump into making a decision between a deliberate rushed behind and a rushed play on/rushed behind, the ump had warned him he needed to kick between the goal and behind post though. Potentially he could have taken another second or two off the clock as he kicked the footy after the ump issued the "move it on" call instead of waiting for the "play on" call, but that would not have made any difference.

 

[Pedro]

But even in first half he dropped marks.


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He did, but he was winning one on ones at least. I don't think Jenkins touched the thing in the first half.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Can anyone tell me why the countdown clock on TV doesn't show the last 2 seconds? I've noticed this in other games. Is it because it is not 100% accurate? When the ball was in the air there were 2 seconds remaining, but they seemed a long two seconds... I tried to match the countdown clock with the video clock on the AFL website, and it seems that McGovern takes the mark somewhere UNDER 1 SECOND. But did he get it in time? Maybe he did, but is it possible that he marked the ball AFTER time had officially expired? We don't actually know 100% as the countdown clock disappears at 2 seconds. Is the Siren an automatic thing that runs on what the TV clock says? or does someone manually push the button at zero?

I don't know but ...

... there are various delays and synchronisations that need to be accounted for in the broadcasting system at the ground. You can tell by the broadcast that there are delays between the audio and video (commentator reacts to an action slightly before it's seen on the video)

Applying the time clock to the video adds another level of delay and synchronisation.

The image gets captured by the camera, gets transmitted to a broadcast centre, gets coded, gets decided, gets buffered and selected for broadcast. The watermarks and overlays get applied (including the timeclock) but the "3 seconds" remaining probably isn't being overlaid onto the video frame that was taken exactly now, but rather a video frame that was taken a second / multiple seconds / fractions of a second earlier.

Yeah, they could probably calibrate their systems better but that would cost money and 99% of the time it's a non-issue and so they probably can't justify it.

There'll be other (more significant) delays applied after the time clock has been mixed in with the video image, but they don't affect this.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Not to mention the couple of OOF's.

Out inaccurate shot scoring- especially the more gettable shots - have hurt big time this year.
Big time.

Funny thing yesterday, it's like they just could not miss anything after half time

 

[doodles98]

You can make it look not deliberate.

Why would you ever take that risk in that situation?

 

[Vicky Park]

Posted this in the bay at half time.

Noticed your new team, GO. Did you lose a bet?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Checked this morning
Still a draw

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

When the lead dropped to 30 half watt through the 3rd quarter, all bucks had to do was put Reid down back. We take a 30+ point lead into the last term we win.
Stevie Wonder could see they had all the momentum.

If the refusal to move Reid was in the name of continuing to play attacking footy and back his players, then I'm ok with it. There's no guarantee that the Reid move would have worked anyway. The result was never an issue for me so not real pissed off about anything other than the pissy smart arse handballs and brainfart kicking.

 

[Dogs_Playing_Poker]

why didn't the runner run out to Langdon and tell him there's only 10 seconds left? Could of stepped through the goals after play on, kick in, retain pocession and ice the game. It's crazy, it really is

Was thinking the same thing...... give them a point then give the pill to Dunn to take the kick in and smash it down the line!

 

[Hong Kong Pie]

Yep. Still a draw.

 

[Dogs_Playing_Poker]

You can make it look not deliberate.

exactly just take off in the opposite direction as if you were trying to switch play!

 

[Dogs_Playing_Poker]

Langdon was behind the point line, so while he couldn't he have stepped back through the points he could have kicked the footy through the goal posts (off his line) instead of through the goal and behind post. This would have forced the ump into making a decision between a deliberate rushed behind and a rushed play on/rushed behind, the ump had warned him he needed to kick between the goal and behind post though. Potentially he could have taken another second or two off the clock as he kicked the footy after the ump issued the "move it on" call instead of waiting for the "play on" call, but that would not have made any difference.

Just hold onto the footy then and let the Adelaide player smother his kick? Point given, we get a kick in.

 

[ottoman]

Why are focusing on the Langdon kick so much.
Firstly. the fault was with the players who failed to make a contest
Secondly after that monumental heck up of not being able to make a contest we conceded another mark 30 meters out from goal.

Two times in the final 10 seconds of the game we failed to kill the ball. That is the real issue. Not whether or not Langdon should have kicked the ball 1,76 meters closer to the boundry line