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What kind of footy is the best kind of footy?
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Richmond footy is ugly.
The soccer off the ground, rolling maul, constant handball or kick forward at all costs.
I prefer structure, ball movement, running patterns, contested marking and when all else is used up the little tap one to advantage.
Richmond's style (when up and going) is really clean and ultimately quite structured - you can't execute handballs over the head as much as we do without some sort of structure. We do handball a lot when we are on the attack but they are long handballs to players in the clear, and our overall K-H ratio is about average.
We have a desire to keep the ball moving forward at all costs, which is where the messy stuff you talk about occurs. But that only comes out of situations where it would otherwise be a stoppage. Prime example of this is Rioli's goal vs Geelong in R13. Sure, on the surface, it looks like mindlessly smashing the ball forward, but it was really the result of players taking a situation where they didn't have time to be clean, and making an ultimately high-percentage decision. The cats defender was pretty stiff to be pinged HTB but even if it was a ball up, we'd have forced a stoppage in our forward line instead of centre wing. That's creating something out of nothing and when teams can do that, you're on the edge of your seat - you never quite know what's going to happen.
I do like seeing teams such as West Coast with purely clean ball movement, too, but Richmond footy is not ugly footy.
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Footy is best to watch when it is played in lines. FB to CHB, CHB to C, C to CHF, CHF to F. Etc.
It's a contested game and people want to see one on ones. It's not a possession game like rugby or basketball. If the ball hits the ground you don't conceded possession. If you kick a goal the ball goes back to the middle for a 50/50 rather than to the other team. Etc. In soccer you can pass the ball around the box 20 times to set up a shot for goal and while this is boring to a lot of people it's a very tactical game. The ball is on the ground and you can't possess it. In footy if you chip the ball around 15m at a time the opposition has to stand the mark and you get a few seconds to go back and make a decision. If every time you passed the ball 15m to a teammate in soccer they got to stop and the opposition couldn't challenge it would be unwatchable.
It's also a high scoring game. The average score per team over 207 games this year was 12.9. That's 21 scoring shots per game per team. The average for soccer is 2-3 goals per match, total. An average game of rugby you will usually see a couple of tries, conversions to follow and a few penalties. Wallabies vs NZ last night was 10-6 in scoring plays for a relatively high scoring game at 37-20. If you're 40m away from the line in rugby you could spend 10 minutes edging closer and closer to end up knocking on and turning the ball over. If you are 40m out in footy you can just kick for goal. Fans don't want to see teams maintaining position for 10 minutes just to get a shot for goal in footy.
Modern coaching sees more players around the ball and more players around the next contest. Teams don't kick to CHF or the top of the square as much, they kick long to the pockets so the most likely result is a forward 50 stoppage.
If you watch the 2018 GF you can hear what got the crowd excited.
- Stephenson turning Cole inside out and running forward to kick a goal
- De Goey brushing off two tacklers and snapping from the pocket to kick a goal
- Yeo kicking a goal from 50 to put WC in front
- De Goey kicking a goal from 50 to put CW in front (IIRC, they may have already been 6 up)
- Contested marks from Darling, Kennedy and Cox
- The last goal scoring play of McGovern's mark, Ryan's hanger and Sheed's finish
Every year it's the same things that people like. Big goals, big marks, players taking the game on. There was a passage in the prelim where Liam Ryan handballed in front of himself then paddled the ball to his own advantage because he knew he was faster than the players chasing him. Took me back to Peter Matera doing that in the 90s.
It's a contested game and people want to see one on ones. It's not a possession game like rugby or basketball. If the ball hits the ground you don't conceded possession. If you kick a goal the ball goes back to the middle for a 50/50 rather than to the other team. Etc. In soccer you can pass the ball around the box 20 times to set up a shot for goal and while this is boring to a lot of people it's a very tactical game. The ball is on the ground and you can't possess it. In footy if you chip the ball around 15m at a time the opposition has to stand the mark and you get a few seconds to go back and make a decision. If every time you passed the ball 15m to a teammate in soccer they got to stop and the opposition couldn't challenge it would be unwatchable.
It's also a high scoring game. The average score per team over 207 games this year was 12.9. That's 21 scoring shots per game per team. The average for soccer is 2-3 goals per match, total. An average game of rugby you will usually see a couple of tries, conversions to follow and a few penalties. Wallabies vs NZ last night was 10-6 in scoring plays for a relatively high scoring game at 37-20. If you're 40m away from the line in rugby you could spend 10 minutes edging closer and closer to end up knocking on and turning the ball over. If you are 40m out in footy you can just kick for goal. Fans don't want to see teams maintaining position for 10 minutes just to get a shot for goal in footy.
Modern coaching sees more players around the ball and more players around the next contest. Teams don't kick to CHF or the top of the square as much, they kick long to the pockets so the most likely result is a forward 50 stoppage.
If you watch the 2018 GF you can hear what got the crowd excited.
- Stephenson turning Cole inside out and running forward to kick a goal
- De Goey brushing off two tacklers and snapping from the pocket to kick a goal
- Yeo kicking a goal from 50 to put WC in front
- De Goey kicking a goal from 50 to put CW in front (IIRC, they may have already been 6 up)
- Contested marks from Darling, Kennedy and Cox
- The last goal scoring play of McGovern's mark, Ryan's hanger and Sheed's finish
Every year it's the same things that people like. Big goals, big marks, players taking the game on. There was a passage in the prelim where Liam Ryan handballed in front of himself then paddled the ball to his own advantage because he knew he was faster than the players chasing him. Took me back to Peter Matera doing that in the 90s.
There is only one type of footy that is the best, it is the one in which my team wins. What the game looks like is something I don’t care about.
If I wanted to watch low scoring, I'd watch soccer. If I wanted to watch tackling, I'd watch rugby. What I want to see is spectacular pack marking. long kicking and plenty of goals. Sorry, but I like being entertained by skills.
doesnt have to be too high scoring, if you get a low scoring game you usually get a great tackling game with big hits. the 2018 granny had the lot, great goals, tough contests, big hits and towering marks.
might go put that game on again actually ;-)
might go put that game on again actually ;-)
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Football is my favourite sport, I like the way they kick it up and down the ground
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Assumien Freo fans are identifying defensive, low scoring and getting blown away?
Best type of football matches are when threads like this are not even created. The fact this thread exists shows how it has mutated to less of a spectacle.
Give it 2 to 4 years and threads like this will not even be posted. I look forward to that time. Maybe one more year of full on congested football will be enough for the mess to finally be addressed. Hoping for only one but expecting it to be two.
Give it 2 to 4 years and threads like this will not even be posted. I look forward to that time. Maybe one more year of full on congested football will be enough for the mess to finally be addressed. Hoping for only one but expecting it to be two.
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Contested, not congested
The best games are when the ball moves fast from end to end, but there are a number of critical contests, either marking or on the deck, that shape the game.
The best games are when the ball moves fast from end to end, but there are a number of critical contests, either marking or on the deck, that shape the game.
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