TradeDraft
Post-Human
Bucks/MM/Eddie Circus in 2011/2012 realty destroyed a Team that should been a Top Team for a Lot Longer then 2 seasons
-
Mobile App Discontinued
Due to a number of factors, support for the current BigFooty mobile app has been discontinued. Your BigFooty login will no longer work on the Tapatalk or the BigFooty App - which is based on Tapatalk.
Apologies for any inconvenience. We will try to find a replacement.
What stops us from having a run of success
- Thread starter wcv1475
- Start date
- Tagged users None
🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.
Tarkyn_24
Okeydoke7 is [redacted]
- Dec 23, 2006
- 57,963
- 84,313
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
We finished minor premiers in both 2010 and 2023, tf do you mean we weren’t the best side?
TradeDraft
Post-Human
NGA is a big a Cheat as When they had Cola
They get to work with Kids at a Very Young Age and Develop them - Southern Teams can't do that as being at the Actual Club and Playing for there U-18 Teams and VFL Teams
Tarkyn_24
Okeydoke7 is [redacted]
- Dec 23, 2006
- 57,963
- 84,313
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
I actually think Malthouse bottled it with the personnel he had in not achieving more with the list from 2007-2011. The talent stacked up favourably to everyone except perhaps Geelong.
Log in to remove this Banner Ad
It's more than that.
The Queensland and NSW teams split their respective states respective talent pool between them. Unlike the rest of the competition, they're not restricted to indigenous or minority-background players in order for those players to qualify for their academy.
On top of that, up until this coming draft clubs could not bid on northern academy players within the first 40 selections.
And lastly, players like the Ashcrofts are completing their schooling at elite private schools in Melbourne who possess the best resources and development pathways in the country, before returning to their home state once drafted.
TradeDraft
Post-Human
IF that happens then they should be no longer in the Academy as not in QLD anymore
76woodenspooners
Brownlow Medallist
I think we need a counter-thread “What makes Collingwood so friggen’ successful?”
Unlike Carlton, which has been a basket case ever since Paul Keating was Prime Minister
Unlike Essendon, which a decade+ on is still trying to recover from the biggest scandal in the code’s history
Unlike North, which has had decent success for a minnow club, but that’s a distant memory
Unlike Suns, bless ‘em just played in their very first finals campaign.
Unlike St Kilda, LOL!
Unlike Port - a proud club that had decent results, but just haven’t been able to seal the deal.
Unlike GWS - see Port minus the ‘proud club’ bit.
Unlike Adelaide - used their big chance to do the power stance
Unlike Bulldogs - were over achievers, now under achievers
Unlike Melbourne - had a very brief period of success in amongst rank Shitfulness.
Unlike Freo - who can be relied upon to make up the numbers
Unlike Richmond - who admittedly won 3 Premierships in 4 years. But Ninthmond were a joke for decades before that.
Unlike Brisbane - they’re enjoying success now, and did a few decades ago. But were shithouse in between.
Unlike Swans - they are respected as a successful club that are always competitive. We’re still better.
Unlike Eagles - used to be reliably competitive, but have fallen into a deep hole and begging the AFL for draft assistance.
The only clubs that challenge us for success in recent history are:
Geelong - have had an amazing sustained success over the last 2 decades.
Hawthorn - most successful club in my lifetime.
Who knows, if Fly ends up coaching for as long as Christ Scott has, maybe we’re on our way to having the sustained success that Geelong have had?
Unlike Carlton, which has been a basket case ever since Paul Keating was Prime Minister
Unlike Essendon, which a decade+ on is still trying to recover from the biggest scandal in the code’s history
Unlike North, which has had decent success for a minnow club, but that’s a distant memory
Unlike Suns, bless ‘em just played in their very first finals campaign.
Unlike St Kilda, LOL!
Unlike Port - a proud club that had decent results, but just haven’t been able to seal the deal.
Unlike GWS - see Port minus the ‘proud club’ bit.
Unlike Adelaide - used their big chance to do the power stance
Unlike Bulldogs - were over achievers, now under achievers
Unlike Melbourne - had a very brief period of success in amongst rank Shitfulness.
Unlike Freo - who can be relied upon to make up the numbers
Unlike Richmond - who admittedly won 3 Premierships in 4 years. But Ninthmond were a joke for decades before that.
Unlike Brisbane - they’re enjoying success now, and did a few decades ago. But were shithouse in between.
Unlike Swans - they are respected as a successful club that are always competitive. We’re still better.
Unlike Eagles - used to be reliably competitive, but have fallen into a deep hole and begging the AFL for draft assistance.
The only clubs that challenge us for success in recent history are:
Geelong - have had an amazing sustained success over the last 2 decades.
Hawthorn - most successful club in my lifetime.
Who knows, if Fly ends up coaching for as long as Christ Scott has, maybe we’re on our way to having the sustained success that Geelong have had?
By the end of 2010, we had the youngest premiership side ever with 5 of the top 25 mids in the comp between 2010-2013 (Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas, Beams, Sidebottom) and 3 young high-levels KPP (Cloke, Reid and Brown).
This team should have only needed minor tweaks over the next few years to win atleast 3-4 premierships over the next 7-8 years.
Unfortunately, while I love bucks, it was ridiculous to have a succession plan when we were in the window. The club should have always taken precedence over the individual (Buckley).
This team should have only needed minor tweaks over the next few years to win atleast 3-4 premierships over the next 7-8 years.
Unfortunately, while I love bucks, it was ridiculous to have a succession plan when we were in the window. The club should have always taken precedence over the individual (Buckley).
I think we tend to have hard working, tough teams rather than classy teams loaded with match winning talent as we have seen with Hawthorn and Geelong over the years. With the exception of 1970 and maybe 2010 I think this description is apt for most of our better teams throughout my time following the Pies.
Always wondered why, as the biggest team in the league, with the most blockbusters, brand exposure ect, practically the Real Madrid/Manchester United (pre 2013) of the AFL, we have always struggled to attract absolute top-line stars to the club or have players willing to play for unders.
Pretty much every other team in the league has attracted better players than us over the last 25 years.
Adelaide: Dawson, Rankine, Betts
Brisbane: Neale, Beams, Daniher, Cameron
Carlton: Judd, Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Williams
Collingwood: Treloar? Houston?
Essendon: Goddard, Stringer, Sheil, Smith
Geelong: Cameron, Dangerfield, Smith
Fremantle: Jackson, Bolton, Hill, Tarrant
Hawthorn: Burgoyne, Lake, Gibson, Gunston, Mitchell, O’Meara, Battle, Barras
Melbourne: May, Lever
North: Higgins, Waite, Polec, Dal Santo
Port: Horne-Francis, Dixon, Ryder, Polec
Richmond: Lynch, Prestia, Taranto, Houli, N.Brown
Sydney: Franklin, Hall, Tippet
St Kilda: TDK, B.Hill, Crouch, Carlisle
Western Bulldogs: Hall, Boyd, Bruce, Akermanis, Crameri
West Coast: Yeo, Kennedy, Kelly, Cripps, Wellingham
Honestly think only maybe North have done worse than us over the last 25 years, then again Higgins and Waite were pretty good for them during their strong run in 15/16.
Pretty much every other team in the league has attracted better players than us over the last 25 years.
Adelaide: Dawson, Rankine, Betts
Brisbane: Neale, Beams, Daniher, Cameron
Carlton: Judd, Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Williams
Collingwood: Treloar? Houston?
Essendon: Goddard, Stringer, Sheil, Smith
Geelong: Cameron, Dangerfield, Smith
Fremantle: Jackson, Bolton, Hill, Tarrant
Hawthorn: Burgoyne, Lake, Gibson, Gunston, Mitchell, O’Meara, Battle, Barras
Melbourne: May, Lever
North: Higgins, Waite, Polec, Dal Santo
Port: Horne-Francis, Dixon, Ryder, Polec
Richmond: Lynch, Prestia, Taranto, Houli, N.Brown
Sydney: Franklin, Hall, Tippet
St Kilda: TDK, B.Hill, Crouch, Carlisle
Western Bulldogs: Hall, Boyd, Bruce, Akermanis, Crameri
West Coast: Yeo, Kennedy, Kelly, Cripps, Wellingham
Honestly think only maybe North have done worse than us over the last 25 years, then again Higgins and Waite were pretty good for them during their strong run in 15/16.
Tarkyn_24
Okeydoke7 is [redacted]
- Dec 23, 2006
- 57,963
- 84,313
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
Jolly, Ball, Medhurst, Tarrant, Adams, Schultz, Howe, Hill?
That’s before considering handy types like WHE, Aish, L Brown, Titch, McStay, Perryman, nor gems that we unearthed that were at other clubs such as Crisp and Cameron.
- Jun 10, 2014
- 19,198
- 51,111
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
Buckley, Clement, A Rocca etc. Some posters are descending into madness.
1990: broke a 32-year drought and the party went on and on and on. Simple as that. The team was definitely good enough to go again but the powerful motivation was gone.
2002-2004 era: ran into a generationally talented side built from the carcasses of 2 middling sides.
2010: this is the one that hurts me the most and a lot of the blame rests with Eddie, management and especially Mick Malthouse. Hubris. In 2011 we were the most dominant home and away Pies side i have seen in 40+ years of watching. We also were unlucky to run into a Geelong side that was one of the best ever.. but i still think we had the firepower to beat them. The mistake was resting players in the final round and giving Geelong the highest of high ground.. a 96 point win that i think is still their biggest ever against us. Insanity
2023: It all went right for once but now it has all gone wrong at the wrong time this year. Suddenly all of our forwards aside from Billy forgot how to play. I sympathise with Bobby Hill but his absence just added to a distinct lack of speed in our team. Why he %$^$ did we not learn from the losses to Geelong and Brisbane where they simply chipped the ball around and made us chase tail. Too many medium-pacers like Lipinkski, Sidey, hobbled Jordy and Howe, etc etc
The good news is any team built around Nick and Josh has a pretty handy head start. I think all we can do it try to recruit a quick, tall forward and a powerful quick mid and go again. The bad news is that when the Lions win the flag next weekend, they are in the middle of their own new dynasty as they add Oscar Allen for free, Sam Draper, top-five pick Daniel Annable and one other highly rated one whose name escapes me.
2002-2004 era: ran into a generationally talented side built from the carcasses of 2 middling sides.
2010: this is the one that hurts me the most and a lot of the blame rests with Eddie, management and especially Mick Malthouse. Hubris. In 2011 we were the most dominant home and away Pies side i have seen in 40+ years of watching. We also were unlucky to run into a Geelong side that was one of the best ever.. but i still think we had the firepower to beat them. The mistake was resting players in the final round and giving Geelong the highest of high ground.. a 96 point win that i think is still their biggest ever against us. Insanity
2023: It all went right for once but now it has all gone wrong at the wrong time this year. Suddenly all of our forwards aside from Billy forgot how to play. I sympathise with Bobby Hill but his absence just added to a distinct lack of speed in our team. Why he %$^$ did we not learn from the losses to Geelong and Brisbane where they simply chipped the ball around and made us chase tail. Too many medium-pacers like Lipinkski, Sidey, hobbled Jordy and Howe, etc etc
The good news is any team built around Nick and Josh has a pretty handy head start. I think all we can do it try to recruit a quick, tall forward and a powerful quick mid and go again. The bad news is that when the Lions win the flag next weekend, they are in the middle of their own new dynasty as they add Oscar Allen for free, Sam Draper, top-five pick Daniel Annable and one other highly rated one whose name escapes me.
2002–2003 era
Collingwood ran into Brisbane at their peak, a team basically gifted an extra salary cap by the AFL. Let’s be real: they were able to roll out an All-Australian-level side week after week, all under the banner of “growing the game.” Hard to compete when the deck was stacked like that - don't even get me started on the Cloke and Rocca suspensions.
2010–2011 era
The infamous succession plan. It was messy, it split the camp and it rattled what should have been a dynasty-level team. Even so, 2011 should have been ours. On talent, we had Geelong covered – but the coaching let us down on the day. Playing Tarrant (rather than Reid) on Hawkins could have changed everything. Instead, Hawkins tore us apart, and you can’t help but wonder if Malthouse already had his mind on what came after.
2023–2025 era
2023 was magic. We hit that perfect blend of talent, experience and belief, the type of year that makes you proud to be a Collingwood supporter. But in 2024, we got ahead of ourselves, started drinking our own bathwater, and fell back into old habits. By 2025 it looks like the years had started to catch up with a few of the older players and had an unsettled last 1/3 of the year.
2026 and Beyond
I don’t see the need for a full reset. No bottoming out, no multi-year rebuild. We’ve got the core to keep competing as long as we keep refreshing the list and making smart positional changes ala Geelong’s model. And with Treloar’s (2025) and Grundy’s (2027) salaries coming off the books, we can plan to manage the cap space. Imagine flipping McStay’s $700k into a Ben King at $1.2m. That’s the sort of bold move that could get us premiership 17.
Collingwood ran into Brisbane at their peak, a team basically gifted an extra salary cap by the AFL. Let’s be real: they were able to roll out an All-Australian-level side week after week, all under the banner of “growing the game.” Hard to compete when the deck was stacked like that - don't even get me started on the Cloke and Rocca suspensions.
2010–2011 era
The infamous succession plan. It was messy, it split the camp and it rattled what should have been a dynasty-level team. Even so, 2011 should have been ours. On talent, we had Geelong covered – but the coaching let us down on the day. Playing Tarrant (rather than Reid) on Hawkins could have changed everything. Instead, Hawkins tore us apart, and you can’t help but wonder if Malthouse already had his mind on what came after.
2023–2025 era
2023 was magic. We hit that perfect blend of talent, experience and belief, the type of year that makes you proud to be a Collingwood supporter. But in 2024, we got ahead of ourselves, started drinking our own bathwater, and fell back into old habits. By 2025 it looks like the years had started to catch up with a few of the older players and had an unsettled last 1/3 of the year.
2026 and Beyond
I don’t see the need for a full reset. No bottoming out, no multi-year rebuild. We’ve got the core to keep competing as long as we keep refreshing the list and making smart positional changes ala Geelong’s model. And with Treloar’s (2025) and Grundy’s (2027) salaries coming off the books, we can plan to manage the cap space. Imagine flipping McStay’s $700k into a Ben King at $1.2m. That’s the sort of bold move that could get us premiership 17.
- Jun 10, 2014
- 19,198
- 51,111
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
The cloke and rocca suspensions could not have been more clear cut. Rocca wouldn't have made a difference but Cloke just might have!
Tarkyn_24
Okeydoke7 is [redacted]
- Dec 23, 2006
- 57,963
- 84,313
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
I deliberately avoided them given most examples were within 20 years (ie. around the same vintage of Judd’s move) but the set of legitimate star power recruited from elsewhere expands so much more going into that vintage.
Agreed. And the problem with the Rocca one was we fought it tooth and nail all week, and I reckon it burnt all our emotional energy heading into the game. We actually started that game as favourites on the back of beating the Lions earlier in the finals but we were not in the contest past the first 10 mins.
I also forgot 2018 runners-up and, as an aside to that, I think the fact that the Weagles won a flag 7 years ago should preclude them from even being alllowed to ask for draft handouts from the AFL.
I don't think this season was a failure
But I appreciate the opportunity to list 3 of my life achievements...
* I quit Safeways before Old Keith could fire me
* Both my kids were elite at junior sport sledging
* And unlike you Jath, I can manscape without looking like an axolotl with 2 steamed dimmies
- Apr 29, 2007
- 730
- 824
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
Its pretty simple, we are the gravy train and cash cow for the AFL. As long as we compete every year and snag one every 10 years, the club and AFL are satisfied. Also, as soon as we win one, the leech managers are out there demanding more money especially after 1990 and 2010. Thankfully its been corrected now BUT i am sure there is still some resentment about bringing in players on top $, especially if they are coasting along.
🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.
- Jun 10, 2014
- 19,198
- 51,111
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
You have a hot ex-wife
Under today’s tribunal grading system, Rocca’s suspension would likely have been classified as careless, low impact, and high contact - a combination that would not have resulted in a suspension at all. It's also worth questioning the idea that Rocca wouldn’t have made a difference, he was one of our most important players.
On the other hand, Jason Cloke’s incident would probably still result in a suspension under current guidelines.
- Jun 10, 2014
- 19,198
- 51,111
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
Under the system then is what matters(don't necessarily agree with your assessment under current guidelines) - and Rocca was always going to be rubbed out. I believe that appeal was one where on commencement of their deliberations, the Chairman asked the other members, "is there any way we can let this kid off?".
Rocca was never going to make a 50 point difference. The Lions took us out behind the wood shed that day.
Last edited:
Top post.
Was on tip of my tougue burning question of mine.
Why Pies dont have a string of flags.
Mind boggling. Bug bear of mine after the flags.
GF loss 2002 2003 2011 and 2018 never ends
I really think it comes down to resting on the laurels.
Kind of element of content with the club fans alike.
Look at 1990 was a never ending content
Arrogance hubris
Only thinking of the flag singular not plural thats the thing.
Look making finals is success.
Never had we had an era tho.
Mostly its short term we crack a flag then its on the slide and rebuild again.
Not much different to stkilda just won 15 more flags.
Besides flags and pies looking like we have to go back to the old 1920s 1930s and 1940s for those day
1958-1990 too much time there
1990-2010 just as bad
2010-2023 ditto
2023-?
have same feeling again
sounds familiar
look around other teams lions cats hawks tigers now cats and lions again all dynasties
Was on tip of my tougue burning question of mine.
Why Pies dont have a string of flags.
Mind boggling. Bug bear of mine after the flags.
GF loss 2002 2003 2011 and 2018 never ends
I really think it comes down to resting on the laurels.
Kind of element of content with the club fans alike.
Look at 1990 was a never ending content
Arrogance hubris
Only thinking of the flag singular not plural thats the thing.
Look making finals is success.
Never had we had an era tho.
Mostly its short term we crack a flag then its on the slide and rebuild again.
Not much different to stkilda just won 15 more flags.
Besides flags and pies looking like we have to go back to the old 1920s 1930s and 1940s for those day
1958-1990 too much time there
1990-2010 just as bad
2010-2023 ditto
2023-?
have same feeling again
sounds familiar
look around other teams lions cats hawks tigers now cats and lions again all dynasties
AFL Pies are their cash cow.
Be good only for profit.
Win the flag and we will now restrict you.
As long as we are making money for them.
Funnel it all to the rest and afl agendas.
All about as long as we generate the revenue for the afl.
Also umpires are there the manipulate it to the afl needs as well.
From Andrew Dillion right through to the umpires on field and everything in between thats ultimately why
Be good only for profit.
Win the flag and we will now restrict you.
As long as we are making money for them.
Funnel it all to the rest and afl agendas.
All about as long as we generate the revenue for the afl.
Also umpires are there the manipulate it to the afl needs as well.
From Andrew Dillion right through to the umpires on field and everything in between thats ultimately why
