What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 2

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Can we assume we are going to be robbed blind this w/e as a result of this scuttlebutt ?
It's a common reaction but this is an equally unfair reaction and is no different to the crap coming from these unprofessional, whining clubs. Umpires make mistakes just like our terrible turnovers and missed goals that were the only reason Norf was close enough to think it was the umpires' fault they lost. Some umpires are better than others and see incidents differently or get into better positions or react better under pressure just like some players who see the play unfold better than others or find better position for marking or receiving the ball or handle pressure. I just don't subscribe to the Umpires DELIBERATELY influence games. Like players and coaches, they just have bad games. If we do what we do every week, the frees for and against will continue to happen on average.


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The one that pisses me off the most is the Higgins one. So because poor Shauny didn't hear it, we have to say that he gets to take the shot again? It's never been like that. There have been thousands of times where someone hasn't heard a play on call, and it's always just been 'too bad'. Why is it suddenly so different?
 
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If that's true, the AFL and umpiring dept need to be transparent in addressing "concerns", otherwise they will fester on and contaminate the season even further. And I don't mean by saying, 'ok Bulldogs, no frees for you for the next couple of weeks'.

But would clubs really be so unprofessional, or is the media just having one of their merry beat ups?
I'm hoping it's just the media cos it's just sad if clubs are this serious about us being favoured when the frees for differential is so insignificant and the overall for/against differential is inflated by a couple of biggies like the GF and games like last week. +47 for the season so far and +99 last year is like 3-4 a game - no exactly game changing! And loved Bobs reply - we train to be disciplined.


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The one that pisses me off the most is the Higgins one. So because poor Shauny didn't hear it, we have to say that he gets to take the shot again? It's never been like that. There have been thousands of times where someone hasn't heard a play on call, and it's always just been 'too bad'. Why is it suddenly so different?
yeh agree badly. its professional sport FFS
the way this game is being run its semi-pro and aus kick style
 

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No surprise at the culprits

Clarkson has a long history of using anything to his advNtGe and a short fuse when things don't go his way.

Ditto longmire - very proud of his team and will not accept defeat. This is pure gamesmanship - he meets us in a final - maybe it changes one or two frees their way.

Brad Scott though should not be spending a single moment diverting attention from his teams performances. Rather he should be toughening them up to face adversity.
 

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When higgins started his run up he started walking quite fast. That to me suggests he knew the umpire was calling play on.

He got the whistle to move it on which I'm almost certain he heard, yet he stood still for an extra 5-6 seconds which is why stringer put his arms up to say hey come on ump. It's not even controversial idk why it's had so much attention. The only issue is the non-controlling umpire didn't call play on when he saw the other umpire calling it.
 
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First the Boyd contract obsession now he has moved on to umpires and conspiracy theories.
Damien Barrett give it a rest, you are the joke.
If Boyd makes you look like a d*** by starring in a flag, then all your credibility is gone.
 

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If Boyd makes you look like a d*** by starring in a flag, then all your credibility is gone.
The credibility ship sailed long ago with AFL reporters unfortunately. It really is one of the worst reported sports in the world. We make the American sports press look intelligent, careful and considered.

Our reporters cannot discern between when they are just breaking stories and reporting news, or just providing an opinion-driven editorial piece. What we end up with is these "power figures" in the football media that think their opinion and "analysis" is valid enough to be sprinkled anywhere and everywhere, when really, they should just be reporting what is and isn't definitely happening.

It's the same with AFL commentary. The play by play commentators for the footy these days all think they're Bruce macavaney and need to add their opinion and special comments to every call. No. Let the special comments guys do that job, just commentate the game and add a small amount of colour and excitement to what's happening. What comes out is a commentator trying to do everything, then stuffing up the one thing that he is there for - calling what is happening on the ground as they see it.
 

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The credibility ship sailed long ago with AFL reporters unfortunately. It really is one of the worst reported sports in the world. We make the American sports press look intelligent, careful and considered.

Our reporters cannot discern between when they are just breaking stories and reporting news, or just providing an opinion-driven editorial piece. What we end up with is these "power figures" in the football media that think their opinion and "analysis" is valid enough to be sprinkled anywhere and everywhere, when really, they should just be reporting what is and isn't definitely happening.

It's the same with AFL commentary. The play by play commentators for the footy these days all think they're Bruce macavaney and need to add their opinion and special comments to every call. No. Let the special comments guys do that job, just commentate the game and add a small amount of colour and excitement to what's happening. What comes out is a commentator trying to do everything, then stuffing up the one thing that he is there for - calling what is happening on the ground as they see it.
Exhibit number one for journos making themselves the story is the Hun's latest series of ads with Ralph, Robinson and the rest.

Me, me, me, listen to me, my opinion is more important than yours. Years ago, some journos used to write under pseudonyms or even go without a byline, now it's all a p***ing contest.

Do I want to hear and see Ralph or Robinson on radio and TV as well? Of course not, but they're everywhere.
 

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How the **** has the blatant free kick against Mason Wood become the headline? If you're going to use one incident as your example at least pick one of the 50/50 calls, not a case where a bloke takes the run from a defender in the air with no care for the ball.
The funniest part to me is that out of both the Mason Wood and Higgins incident the only clearly wrong call was the free that lead to Higgins having a shot in the first place.
 

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Considering its apparently been an issue for two seasons, can anybody tell me whats in it for the entire umpires fraternity to conspire amongst themselves to give us the positive free kick differential that we have?

The notion that they would is so absurd that we now have confirmation that not only the media but also senior AFL coaches trawl Bigfooty in search of a narrative to explain away their own failings.

Wait for it...

 

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Considering its apparently been an issue for two seasons, can anybody tell me whats in it for the entire umpires fraternity to conspire amongst themselves to give us the positive free kick differential that we have?

The notion that they would is so absurd that we now have confirmation that not only the media but also senior AFL coaches trawl Bigfooty in search of a narrative to explain away their own failings.

Wait for it...

Its pretty sad that it got to the point that Bob Murphy felt he had to comment on the matter really.
 

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Considering its apparently been an issue for two seasons, can anybody tell me whats in it for the entire umpires fraternity to conspire amongst themselves to give us the positive free kick differential that we have?

The notion that they would is so absurd that we now have confirmation that not only the media but also senior AFL coaches trawl Bigfooty in search of a narrative to explain away their own failings.

Wait for it...

There's honestly no logical explanation for us having such a positive free kick differential other than us being the most disciplined side. If you don't agree with that you're a moronic, delusional conspiracy theorist. I can't believe that these idiots in the media are indirectly suggesting that we are paying off the umpires or that for some other reason (I can't think of one) the umpires would be conspiring to help us win.
 

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When higgins started his run up he started walking quite fast. That to me suggests he knew the umpire was calling play on.

He got the whistle to move it on which I'm almost certain he heard, yet he stood still for an extra 5-6 seconds which is why stringer put his arms up to say hey come on ump. It's not even controversial idk why it's had so much attention. The only issue is the non-controlling umpire didn't call play on when he saw the other umpire calling it.
I agree it wasn't controversial in fact should be one one of those DVD examples for how the rule is intended to operate. A couple of other observations though:

1. Why did no North player help - either by giving him a hurry up as well or by being in a position to block Stringer; particularly when he was making it plainly clear what he was planning on doing.

2. Notwithstanding it was a correct decision I don't like the look of a player concentrating on kicking a goal being slammed in the back unexpectedly. Higgins should consider himself fortunate Stringer executed a very good tackle and didn't badly injure him (something that also went a little under noticed - he could've easily mucked it up and given away an in the back free). With that in mind, rather than a knee jerk wholesale change to the rule I wonder whether a slight tweak to say provided the player stays on their line, once time is expired you can only rush them from in front of the line of the mark. If they step off the line then tackling from any direction is allowed as in normal play. I just think it's better for the game if a player can take their shot.
 

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When higgins started his run up he started walking quite fast. That to me suggests he knew the umpire was calling play on.

He got the whistle to move it on which I'm almost certain he heard, yet he stood still for an extra 5-6 seconds which is why stringer put his arms up to say hey come on ump. It's not even controversial idk why it's had so much attention. The only issue is the non-controlling umpire didn't call play on when he saw the other umpire calling it.
In fact when the umpire makes 2 quick blows of the whistle and calls "five", Higgins bends down bringing the ball down near his boots. He then has to straighten up and settle again.

Wouldn't everyone love to sit in a room with Scott, Barrett, Sam Edmund, etc etc and go through a blow by blow replay of the game and ask after every incident which ones they would have, wouldn't have or should have been paid (should only take about 24 hours with all the arguing). Even then not sure the greatest umpires could convince Scott, including the most obvious frees. Pretty sure I know what our free kick for count would be from Scott, probably similar to the way he does his Coach's Award votes.

Didn't his brother also make a throwaway statement on 360 earlier about the way we're umpired or "throw it around a fair bit". Not sure teams coached by the Scotts have ever given away a free kick.
 

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These claims are actually serious enough to bring the game into disrepute if coming from clubs. It's questioning the integrity of the game and the officiating umpires. So these clubs either need to provide proof or risk being heavily sanctioned.
Or maybe the Purple Flog should stop reading Bigfooty....

The sooner he gets his media license stripped, the better.
 

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In fact when the umpire makes 2 quick blows of the whistle and calls "five", Higgins bends down bringing the ball down near his boots. He then has to straighten up and settle again.

Wouldn't everyone love to sit in a room with Scott, Barrett, Sam Edmund, etc etc and go through a blow by blow replay of the game and ask after every incident which ones they would have, wouldn't have or should have been paid (should only take about 24 hours with all the arguing). Even then not sure the greatest umpires could convince Scott, including the most obvious frees. Pretty sure I know what our free kick for count would be from Scott, probably similar to the way he does his Coach's Award votes.

Didn't his brother also make a throwaway statement on 360 earlier about the way we're umpired or "throw it around a fair bit". Not sure teams coached by the Scotts have ever given away a free kick.
He said it after our match against Geelong in the press conference. Said we like to "throw it around" and "throw it out the back"....I don't for one second believe it was unintentional
 
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