What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 2

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We know, you don't believe in shit umpiring in Perth or Sydney despite stats.

But it's amusing you don't see that bitching by the Scotts and Flogmire have ended in our games being umpired poorly.

All i need to do is come up with 2 instances of poor decisions leading to wet toast goals or non goals to dogs. So here's two for you .. holding on picken in the goal square which was plain as the nose on your face. Not paid, free kick wet toast instead.

Dogs get within a point. Dodgy wet toast free kick, goal.

By the way that non advantage call was another momentum killer. Please tell us that Dahlhaus should have kicked the goal .. yeah he should have but that is advantage every day of the week
That non advantage call murdered us. Common sense was thrown out the window on that call.
 

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No way we deserved to win , and i don't concern myself with umpiring , but that non advantage call seemed an absolute shocker !
Anyone got an explanation ?
It was ump number 12 he was also the one who got in Honeychurches way and prob cost a shot on goal. Suggest he just had a bad day. Whoever 12 is. Umpiring has never been great, but I think it's as bad as its ever been. I have no idea what they will pay or not these days. Maybe I need to learn the rules better, but even then, they are consistently inconsistent......perhaps it's the 3 ump system. Don't know, but it's chook lotto.
 

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Have just heard Wayne Carey on 'Talking Footy' state that JJ must handle his being targeted issue himself. That he can't expect others to do this for him and basically he needs to work his own way through it.
Now I'm a very amiable and non-violent character but I will say controversially that JJ should mark a line in the sand, warn his latest intimidator that he will retaliate and if the physical stuff continues, use whatever means he can to stop the situation. At the present, he is becoming so ineffective that a few weeks on the sidelines would be neither here nor there to our team fortunes.
At the tribunal he could argue a case of workplace harassment (OK that's a bit tongue in cheek) and bring medical evidence displaying bruises to his back (yeh, that maybe a bit melodramatic too). Importantly though, he would be arguing a case of provocation.
The bottom line, at least, would be, that he would be showing future intimidators that there just might be a retaliation coming their way. I know this all sounds a bit 'old school' but there is no doubt that if he is to escape this constant physical attention then he himself must be more physical. Further, if umpires are happy with the current attention he receives as they undoubtedly are and teammates are too hesitant or too nice to assist, then he should find his own physical solution.
 
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Stop making excuses. We deserved to lose
A half strength eagles were too good
Making excuses? Did I say it cost us the game? I think you're jumping the gun.

I was on my knees begging for the umpire to call advantage because Dahl had no chance of kicking that, and I think his miss led to a 2 goal turn around.

I'm not going to stop calling a spade a spade in fear of being labelled a sook. The fact is that it was a goal everyday of the week.
 

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Have just heard Wayne Carey on 'Talking Footy' state that JJ must handle his being targeted issue himself. That he can't expect others to do this for him and basically he needs to work his own way through it.
Now I'm a very amiable and non-violent character but I will say controversially that JJ should mark a line in the sand, warn his latest intimidator that he will retaliate and if the physical stuff continues, use whatever means he can to stop the situation. At the present, he is becoming so ineffective that a few weeks on the sidelines would be neither here nor there to our team fortunes.
At the tribunal he could argue a case of workplace harassment (OK that's a bit tongue in cheek) and bring medical evidence displaying bruises to his back (yeh, that maybe a bit melodramatic too). Importantly though, he would be arguing a case of provocation.
The bottom line, at least, would be, that he would be showing future intimidators that there just might be a retaliation coming their way. I know this all sounds a bit 'old school' but there is no doubt that if he is to escape this constant physical attention then he himself must be more physical. Further, if umpires are happy with the current attention he receives as they are undoubtedly are and teammates are too hesitant or to nice to assist, then he should find his own physical solution.
JJ should ask Barry Hall for some tips on the rear naked choke :p
 

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Have just heard Wayne Carey on 'Talking Footy' state that JJ must handle his being targeted issue himself. That he can't expect others to do this for him and basically he needs to work his own way through it.
Now I'm a very amiable and non-violent character but I will say controversially that JJ should mark a line in the sand, warn his latest intimidator that he will retaliate and if the physical stuff continues, use whatever means he can to stop the situation. At the present, he is becoming so ineffective that a few weeks on the sidelines would be neither here nor there to our team fortunes.
At the tribunal he could argue a case of workplace harassment (OK that's a bit tongue in cheek) and bring medical evidence displaying bruises to his back (yeh, that maybe a bit melodramatic too). Importantly though, he would be arguing a case of provocation.
The bottom line, at least, would be, that he would be showing future intimidators that there just might be a retaliation coming their way. I know this all sounds a bit 'old school' but there is no doubt that if he is to escape this constant physical attention then he himself must be more physical. Further, if umpires are happy with the current attention he receives as they are undoubtedly are and teammates are too hesitant or to nice to assist, then he should find his own physical solution.
Forgive me for not believing that Wayne "wife-beater" Carey knows the best way to deal with conflict, but I don't think that's a good idea. If JJ hits someone in a way that is strong enough to actually be a deterrent, he's looking at a Tom bugg style 5+ weeks on the sidelines. In those five weeks, he could better spend his time on the field, dealing with tags and actually learning how to play through them. If he goes and punches a tagger, that really only proves that he can't handle the pressure, and other teams will tag him in the future anyway. When bugg returns, do you think opponents would be scared of giving it to him? The only way for him to break this cycle is to start playing well despite the tag.
 

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Forgive me for not believing that Wayne "wife-beater" Carey knows the best way to deal with conflict, but I don't think that's a good idea. If JJ hits someone in a way that is strong enough to actually be a deterrent, he's looking at a Tom bugg style 5+ weeks on the sidelines. In those five weeks, he could better spend his time on the field, dealing with tags and actually learning how to play through them. If he goes and punches a tagger, that really only proves that he can't handle the pressure, and other teams will tag him in the future anyway. When bugg returns, do you think opponents would be scared of giving it to him? The only way for him to break this cycle is to start playing well despite the tag.
Carey didn't say that. He basic said instead of letting players come to him, he should initiate the contact and do to them, what they are doing to him.
 

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Sorry if someone has mentioned

Just read the herald sun barometer/ injury update.

The summary made me laugh when it started off by saying "the dogs had a charmed run to the premiership last season" or along those lines. Massive injuries, two interstate finals is a charmed run???
 

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Carey didn't say that. He basic said instead of letting players come to him, he should initiate the contact and do to them, what they are doing to him.
Why is anyone listening to Carey (for multiple reasons)? He's just saying what HE would do. JJ is totally different in build and personality. Seems like a very non-confrontational person.
 

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Wasn't JJ playing shit BEFORE the swans decided to tag him because he tore them apart on the GF??

It's now like people are blaming the tag for his bad play it he has been poor all year not just the last few weeks.

The tagging and media around it have just put more spotlight on his performances
 

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Why is anyone listening to Carey (for multiple reasons)? He's just saying what HE would do. JJ is totally different in build and personality. Seems like a very non-confrontational person.
I agree, everyone is different. I was just making sure it was reported here correctly. Carey's message wasn't to strike and cop weeks.
 

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Charmed run has now been redefined to "Hardest run of any team ever". Red hot WCE who got handed their biggest ever finals loss at their home ground, raining triple champs, GWS the team that smashed Sydney and I don't think could have lost to anyone but us in that prelim, and the Swans at the MCG. Minor prems, coming off 2 red hot finals wins. It's not just the best 4 games by the Dogs I've ever seen but it's the best month of footy I've seen from any club. Pretty sick and tired of hearing about all the favors we had last year to be honest. We had the 2nd worst injury list in the AFL. We had moz play with a broken back, Easton play with a dodgy ankle, Tommy boyd needed shoulder surgery, and a bunch of others too. Screw the haters.
 

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i totally agree with what Carey said. it may not work but he has to try something.


i hate how they all say the bye helped us. yeah we got players back from injury, which proves we had the best team. maybe we would have be undefeated if they didnt get injured. no one takes that angle
 
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Exactly. He is fastest bloke on the ground and fitter than most. If he wants space, then it's a matter of his own workrate. After 20 minutes his opponent should be cooked.
How do you run taggers off their legs when you are at half back in an ordinary team and have to make defensive position first ? It's impossible

You can in a good team or in another position but not half back
 
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