What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 2

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Yeah, I'm an old bloke, but does anyone else remember what happened to Charlie Pagnoccolo?
Charlie was voted Best First Year player in 1970. Dead set gun rover - quick, clever and determined.

After his first year, he was targeted by opposition "hit men", who roughed him up nearly every week.

In one game, he was knocked out by a Carlton player, who would've got 8-10 weeks these days for his shirt front on Charlie.

It got to the point where Charlie lost confidence completely, and by 1973 was very much a fringe player.

At the end of '73, he and two other Dogs fringe players (Gary Baker was one of them) for Greg Parke, a good CHF from Melbourne.

In his prime, that trade would have been Pagnoccolo for Parke and another Melbourne player.

I'm sincerely hoping we don't have the same scenario looming with JJ.
 

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No need getting players suspended but like Wayne Carey said last night all JJ has to do is go up to the player coming up to him and start getting into him before it happens to him. im tired of seeing JJ with his head down just receiving all the punishment he gets without a fight.

Also starting him in the Goal square is another good idea and if Bev gets on the front foot to the media about umps protecting JJ they will be watching him like a hawk come Friday.
 

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No need getting players suspended but like Wayne Carey said last night all JJ has to do is go up to the player coming up to him and start getting into him before it happens to him. im tired of seeing JJ with his head down just receiving all the punishment he gets without a fight.

Also starting him in the Goal square is another good idea and if Bev gets on the front foot to the media about umps protecting JJ they will be watching him like a hawk come Friday.
Unfortunately none of those things will happen
 

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This is really simple to solve it annoys me it's still happening.

Firstly, the tag is a compliment

Next There are several solutions all to our advantage

1- The opponent designated to tag JJ becomes our designated bitch. All dogs players make his life unbearable. 2 can play the same game.
2 - JJ tags someone else making it a 2 on one to our advantage
3 - JJ runs tagger to the ground and we use him every chance we can
4 - JJ hardens the **** up and works twice as hard defensively laying tackles chasing manically spoling smothering shepherding and this shit will just disappear
 

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Charlie was voted Best First Year player in 1970. Dead set gun rover - quick, clever and determined.

After his first year, he was targeted by opposition "hit men", who roughed him up nearly every week.

In one game, he was knocked out by a Carlton player, who would've got 8-10 weeks these days for his shirt front on Charlie.

It got to the point where Charlie lost confidence completely, and by 1973 was very much a fringe player.

At the end of '73, he and two other Dogs fringe players (Gary Baker was one of them) for Greg Parke, a good CHF from Melbourne.

In his prime, that trade would have been Pagnoccolo for Parke and another Melbourne player.

I'm sincerely hoping we don't have the same scenario looming with JJ.
Dude - dislike! :eek::'(
 

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Why not try Wallis off half back and JJ forward ?

I don't get the negativity towards only JJ he has been as bad as most of them this year.

I think it comes from people sooking because he hasn't remained yet so let's blame I'm Coz that's easy
Did you only start watching after the second Sydney game?
JJ was amongst our best performed players before then. Staggering that you think he was bad all year.
Just look at his disposal numbers in his first 10 weeks as compared to the last 4.

First 10 weeks average disposals = 25.3
Last 4 average disposals = 13.75
Are you really that dense as to think it was just "the media" and "that he hasn't resigned".
He has demonstrably been terrible in the last 4 weeks as compared to his excellent rest of the year.
 

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As a team, we need to show we can't be intimidated. Can't let this JJ crap continue.

Stand up, fly the flag and don't be pushovers.
 

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Did you only start watching after the second Sydney game?
JJ was amongst our best performed players before then. Staggering that you think he was bad all year.
Just look at his disposal numbers in his first 10 weeks as compared to the last 4.

First 10 weeks average disposals = 25.3
Last 4 average disposals = 13.75
Are you really that dense as to think it was just "the media" and "that he hasn't resigned".
He has demonstrably been terrible in the last 4 weeks as compared to his excellent rest of the year.
Ahhhhh another one

So only i have thought JJ has been average all year ?? Lol excellent before that??? If you think JJ has been excellent at any stage this yet you literally have no idea.

Wow

Take my comments out of this and look at the pasting JJ has received in here all year and then come and talk to me

Oh and by the way I have defended JJ not bashed him as you suggest and I was referring to others reasons for wanting him dropped. People have even stated if he doesn't resign drop him and they have been saying that for longer than 4 weeks.

So who is the dense one ? Lol they just keep adding up

Just keep putting words in my mouth and trying to get brownie points from the lemmings CLAP CLAP
 

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Ahhhhh another one

So only i have thought JJ has been average all year ?? Lol excellent before that??? If you think JJ has been excellent at any stage this yet you literally have no idea.

Wow

Take my comments out of this and look at the pasting JJ has received in here all year and then come and talk to me

Oh and by the way I have defended JJ not bashed him as you suggest and I was referring to others reasons for wanting him dropped. People have even stated if he doesn't resign drop him and they have been saying that for longer than 4 weeks.

So who is the dense one ? Lol they just keep adding up

Just keep putting words in my mouth and trying to get brownie points from the lemmings CLAP CLAP
Are you really saying that a half back who averages 25 disposals while keeping their man quiet and at that point leading the team in rebound 50s isn't excellent?
Maybe you can see past your own head and think that maybe you're wrong on this but I don't think you will, instead you'll double down with your bullshit narrative.
Yep I was correct on the dense call. Sad really. Yawn!
 

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Are you really saying that a half back who averages 25 disposals while keeping their man quiet and at that point leading the team in rebound 50s isn't excellent?
Maybe you can see past your own head and think that maybe you're wrong on this but I don't think you will, instead you'll double down with your bullshit narrative.
Yep I was correct on the dense call. Sad really. Yawn!
Your saying JJ was "excellent" up to round ten are you ?

Find ONE other person who honestly agrees with that opinion

Go on just one who thinks that he was EXCELLENT to that stage.

Absolute laugh you telling someone to get past themselves when you are without doubt one of the, if not the most arrogant know all on here. Lol deadset hilarious
 

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Your saying JJ was "excellent" up to round ten are you ?

Find ONE other person who honestly agrees with that opinion

Go on just one who thinks that he was EXCELLENT to that stage.

Absolute laugh you telling someone to get past themselves when you are without doubt one of the, if not the most arrogant know all on here. Lol deadset hilarious
How about you find any evidence that he was bad or even ordinary....
I'll wait.
Actually no I won't because all I get from you is hysterics when you know you're wrong.
Think to yourself when have you known me to disagree with you just because you're you. I've always given your opinions a fair shake you're just dead wrong on this.
 

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How about you find any evidence that he was bad or even ordinary....
I'll wait.
Actually no I won't because all I get from you is hysterics when you know you're wrong.
Ohhhhh noooooooooo I didn't not say he has been bad or ordinary so again putting words in my mouth hero.

NEVER once this year have I bagged JJ so get our head out of your a$$ and apologise because you are wrong.

I don't think he has been "excellent" at any stage and no where near as good as last year but NOT ONCE have I said he has been bad. I've continually defended him this year against others saying drop him or trade him.

So perhaps before you rattle of your bullsh!t you should read what I wrote and stop trying to be a hero. I was again defending him against others and you cherry picked one part and tried to highlight it as me being against him when in fact I'm one of the only ones to defend him ALL YEAR!!!. Well done mate and great hysterics lol

Lol it just gets easier everyday so many lemmings
 

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Ohhhhh noooooooooo I didn't not say he has been bad or ordinary so again putting words in my mouth hero.

NEVER once this year have I bagged JJ so get our head out of your a$$ and apologise because you are wrong.

I don't think he has been "excellent" at any stage and no where near as good as last year but NOT ONCE have I said he has been bad. I've continually defended him this year against others saying drop him or trade him.

So perhaps before you rattle of your bullsh!t you should read what I wrote and stop trying to be a hero. I was again defending him against others and you cherry picked one part and tried to highlight it as me being against him when in fact I'm one of the only ones to defend him ALL YEAR!!!. Well done mate and great hysterics lol

Lol it just gets easier everyday so many lemmings
Once again more hyperbole and no analysis.
You called him average on this very page and he missed most of last year through injury so he'd have to be pretty bad to be worse this year.
Good luck spinning that. I can't be ****** continuing. Keep yelling at those clouds
 

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...JJ was playing well. A lot of our problems have to do with how much we rely on him. JJ was leading our rebound 50s by a BIG margin. The guy is usually the main initiator of our offence. Even though he can burn targets, he is/was the engine of this team's identity.

Longmire figured out just how dependent we are on JJ, and worked out that by completely nullifying JJ - at any cost - completely screws us over. Bob isn't in 2015 form, and probably won't ever be again. Boyd has been terrible. Wood is a great defender and interceptor but doesn't have the speed or disposal accuracy to compensate for the lack of an in-form JJ.

JJ is/was Bevo's plan A, B and C. That Bevo insists on JJ working through it shows how little flexibility he has about this. Longmire discovered the winning formula, everyone else is copying it, because why wouldn't they. It's obvious at this stage that we just can't deal with it. Because we aren't winning it at all in the middle this year, it's probably even more worthwhile for teams to tag JJ instead of Bont. Teams belt us in clearances/possessions, get first use of the ball, pump it inside 50, and then shut down Bevo's preferred option of getting it out of the backline, forcing us into turnovers.

Just another element of the our game that's became a disaster under this new "strategy" the coaches have employed.
 

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This is exactly what is wrong with this forum now

Heroes pick one little part or a post from months ago and grow them at a poster they don't like. Mostly they are completely out of context but the heros want to good so they just go with it knowing the lemmings will just look at the names involved and support the hero even when they are blatantly wrong.

Then they will insult the person and when they defend themselves it's "here they go again" lol.

I wonder how these spineless people get through life I really do, I guess living with mum on the dole is very common with users on here.
 

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Once again more hyperbole and no analysis.
You called him average on this very page and he missed most of last year through injury so he'd have to be pretty bad to be worse this year.
Good luck spinning that. I can't be ****** continuing. Keep yelling at those clouds
Lol average isn't bad and his year has been average even a blind monkey would think this.

His finals series and GF was exceptional so ummmmmmmmmmmm yeah he isn't at that level this year WOW

And I'm yelling at clouds??? Lol you started an argument I wasn't even having

Hahahahahahahahahahhaahaha
 

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This is exactly what is wrong with this forum now

Heroes pick one little part or a post from months ago and grow them at a poster they don't like. Mostly they are completely out of context but the heros want to good so they just go with it knowing the lemmings will just look at the names involved and support the hero even when they are blatantly wrong.

Then they will insult the person and when they defend themselves it's "here they go again" lol.

I wonder how these spineless people get through life I really do, I guess living with mum on the dole is very common with users on here.
Name one time I've ever done that.
In fact I'm often defending you.
Grow up. Look in the mirror and realize you too can be wrong.
 

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Lol average isn't bad and his year has been average even a blind monkey would think this.

His finals series and GF was exceptional so ummmmmmmmmmmm yeah he isn't at that level this year WOW

And I'm yelling at clouds??? Lol you started an argument I wasn't even having

Hahahahahahahahahahhaahaha
Keep spinning.

 

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Name one time I've ever done that.
In fact I'm often defending you.
Grow up. Look in the mirror and realize you too can be wrong.
Today

I'm always wrong and admit it unlike you who started an argument today about JJ I wasn't even having

I was defending him AGAIN and you carried on and somehow it's me?? Jesus some people are pathetic. They know I'm an easy target so come at me with absolute bullshit and then just use an old line like "here he goes again" "same old blah blah"

So perhaps you look in the mirror and grow up this time because I did f?ck all other than be here for your daily hero swat and rant
 
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