What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 3

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The decision to get rid of Joel Corey, and Ben Graham if true is mind boggling, considering that Gia and Rohan Smith are still there.

You've got 2 people who have experience at other organisations, whilst Gia and Smith have never left the Kennel, ever! Good clubs always have coaches with different backgrounds.

Really poor decisions.
All other things being equal I’d agree. Obviously everybody will have different views as to how good each one is. Experience elsewhere is very important but maybe they rate Gia and Bubba as better coaches?

I don’t know enough about each of them but I do feel uneasy about it.
 

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Ben Graham has been with us for a long time. He has done amazing work in setting up the VFL side, AFLW and Whitten Oval Redevelopment - I wonder whether he called it himself and wanted a change?

Strange call if it was from us.
 

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Ben Graham has been with us for a long time. He has done amazing work in setting up the VFL side, AFLW and Whitten Oval Redevelopment - I wonder whether he called it himself and wanted a change?

Strange call if it was from us.
Unfortunately the football department spending cap has had to go down so far that hard decisions had to be made. Arguments could be made for any of the coaches who left to stay, and any who stayed to go. Like any business, sometimes you have to choose between unpalatable choices.
 

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This is an impossible comment to make unless you're inside the 4 walls.
You are correct that outside voice is important but as mentioned above, what new outside ideas would come after 7 years... you also dont know if they are actually any good, or what relationships they have with the players.
Fair call above, its just an opinion on lack of experience/exposure within the match committee
The below is their last hands on experience outside the Bulldogs 4 walls.
  • Gia - 1999 Western Jets (21 Years)
  • Bubba - ~1989 Kingsville (31 Years)
  • Ash Hansen - 2013 West Coast - (7 Years)
  • Steven King - 2011 StKilda - (9 Years)
There was only ever positive talk of Coreys influence around the place. He was brought in by Macca which I suspect probably has something to do with it.
 

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Fair call above, its just an opinion on lack of experience/exposure within the match committee
The below is their last hands on experience outside the Bulldogs 4 walls.
  • Gia - 1999 Western Jets (21 Years)
  • Bubba - ~1989 Kingsville (31 Years)
  • Ash Hansen - 2013 West Coast - (7 Years)
  • Steven King - 2011 StKilda - (9 Years)
There was only ever positive talk of Coreys influence around the place. He was brought in by Macca which I suspect probably has something to do with it.
We can look at Buckley’s career as a good example of not needing outside experience to become a decent coach/assistant.

I personally thought he was a dog sh*t coach but he’s developed in to a pretty good coach without any outside exp.
For all we know that could be the case for Gia, Smith and Co.

There’s probably only one reason that these coaches are still at the club and that is that the current footballing department believe they offer the club more than what the ones let go do.
One can disagree but the club is making making those decisions on the back of having the knowledge of the current situation as opposed to the average online punter who knows exactly zero on the current situation.

So unless we know more than what the club does, which 100% isn’t the case for any of us, I can’t see how we can’t back the club on the coaching decisions that have been made.
 

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Fair call above, its just an opinion on lack of experience/exposure within the match committee
The below is their last hands on experience outside the Bulldogs 4 walls.
  • Gia - 1999 Western Jets (21 Years)
  • Bubba - ~1989 Kingsville (31 Years)
  • Ash Hansen - 2013 West Coast - (7 Years)
  • Steven King - 2011 StKilda - (9 Years)
There was only ever positive talk of Coreys influence around the place. He was brought in by Macca which I suspect probably has something to do with it.
I think internally they have all been highly rated. On this board people tend to take what is said here as gospel.... Corey came from Geelong = he must be way better than Gia who has only been with us.

Reality often is distorted.
 

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We can look at Buckley’s career as a good example of not needing outside experience to become a decent coach/assistant.

I personally thought he was a dog sh*t coach but he’s developed in to a pretty good coach without any outside exp.
For all we know that could be the case for Gia, Smith and Co.

There’s probably only one reason that these coaches are still at the club and that is that the current footballing department believe they offer the club more than what the ones let go do.
One can disagree but the club is making making those decisions on the back of having the knowledge of the current situation as opposed to the average online punter who knows exactly zero on the current situation.

So unless we know more than what the club does, which 100% isn’t the case for any of us, I can’t see how we can’t back the club on the coaching decisions that have been made.
I agree about the Buckley Call. But then you look at who he has been surrounded by...
Robert Harvey – Senior Assistant Coach
Brenton Sanderson – Assistant Coach
Matthew Boyd – Assistant Coach
Garry Hocking – VFL Senior Coach and Development Coach
Scott Selwood – Development Coach

Bevo brought alot of new ideas and culture in 2015, and had an instant impact. Who makes the calls on football staff? is it Chris Grant...
 

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I agree about the Buckley Call. But then you look at who he has been surrounded by...
Robert Harvey – Senior Assistant Coach
Brenton Sanderson – Assistant Coach
Matthew Boyd – Assistant Coach
Garry Hocking – VFL Senior Coach and Development Coach
Scott Selwood – Development Coach

Bevo brought alot of new ideas and culture in 2015, and had an instant impact. Who makes the calls on football staff? is it Chris Grant...
Again, there’s unknowns with those coaches. Sanderson has top level exp, but what do we really know about the others? For all we know, Gia and Smith could have them all covered. We just don’t know.

I’ve only been involved at local level but would assume it’s similar, the board have final say on the back of recommendations from Bev and the head of football, which I am pretty sure is Grant.
 

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I think internally they have all been highly rated. On this board people tend to take what is said here as gospel.... Corey came from Geelong = he must be way better than Gia who has only been with us.

Reality often is distorted.
Corey came from a successful football team which also helps imo.

I couldnt stand Gia as a player but that’s not my issue with him coaching it’s that he has never been to another club in any role and was never part of an Ultimately successful team.

When you add four coaches with similar resumes as his I find it hard to work out how anyone one of them can introduce new IP they know from personal experience can work.

It’s not Gia as a single it’s the entire group and we are clearly going into next year wit the same group AGAIN. That will be 7 years without one new coach. I’d bet that’s a record by a long way And tells me not many clubs are lining up to pull any of our coaches out
 

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It was the biggest non story ever.
Dougie: I don't really talk to Peter Gordon much. I offered to be in a "Sheedy" type marketing role for the club at the end of 2014 but they turned me down.
Gordon: We offered Dougie a few different roles but for one reason or another he turned them down.
 

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Again, there’s unknowns with those coaches. Sanderson has top level exp, but what do we really know about the others? For all we know, Gia and Smith could have them all covered. We just don’t know.

I’ve only been involved at local level but would assume it’s similar, the board have final say on the back of recommendations from Bev and the head of football, which I am pretty sure is Grant.
I reckon you can gauge the quality of assistant coaches by the amount of interest in them when a senior position comes up... I haven't heard of anyone sniffing around any of our assistants for senior roles.
 

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I reckon you can gauge the quality of assistant coaches by the amount of interest in them when a senior position comes up... I haven't heard of anyone sniffing around any of our assistants for senior roles.
We’ve seen some outstanding career assistants in recent years Damian Carroll is one, never been mentioned as a possible head coach as far as I’m aware.
His name has slipped my mind, but there’s another who was recently in the Dees coaches box. Considered one of the greatest football minds in the game. He does a spot on SEN nowadays giving insight on how games will play out over the rounds.

I’d say there’s 80+ assistants in the comp with a very small percentage of those who get mentioned by the media when there’s a HC vacancy. It’s a good indication as to who could make a good head coach but doesn’t necessarily write them off as an assistant.
 

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