What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 3

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One of my all time favs Crossy. Amasying will and you can say he got the best out of the ability he was given

249 games, 210 in the Red White and Blue WOW

 

[Chicago1]

One of my all time favs Crossy. Amasying will and you can say he got the best out of the ability he was given

249 games, 210 in the Red White and Blue WOW

I liked him so much that I became a Demons member for a season(2014) in his honour. And I was able to tell him so when I was here for a visit in Feb of that year and went to Melbourne's training.

 

[Oliver G]

Hey team, did anyone have a look at the “likely All-Australian” article on the WB website? I think it fairly identifies our best performers but Libbas player ranking threw me. Must be a typo right?
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Player Rating is 26th and for Ranking Points he is ranked 71st and 7th and the club.

Libba has been excellent this year but realistically only Macrae and Daniel are in the running for AA.

 

[Philthy1]

Player Rating is 26th and for Ranking Points he is ranked 71st and 7th and the club.

Libba has been excellent this year but realistically only Macrae and Daniel are in the running for AA.

Marcus Bontempelli says hi.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Player Rating is 26th and for Ranking Points he is ranked 71st and 7th and the club.

Libba has been excellent this year but realistically only Macrae and Daniel are in the running for AA.

I'd imagine Bont will be the third player in the squad alongside those two and Wallis is a shout for the squad as well but might just miss.

Think Bont has been equally as good as Macrae this season, maybe even a little better. I have given them the same amount of 'Ching votes' this season. 26 a piece. He has got more coaches votes as well

 

[ScottyDogg]

Player Rating is 26th and for Ranking Points he is ranked 71st and 7th and the club.

Libba has been excellent this year but realistically only Macrae and Daniel are in the running for AA.

Can you clarify for me? When I go on the AFL website it says he is ranked 133. Where is this 26th coming from? What are ranking points and why are they different to actual ranking?

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Can you clarify for me? When I go on the AFL website it says he is ranked 133. Where is this 26th coming from? What are ranking points and why are they different to actual ranking?

The player ratings are done over two seasons (best 40 games over that period) so thats where he is ranked 133rd.

If you only count the games from this season he is 26th



Champion Data have two types of ranking systems. Player ratings and ranking points. Ranking points are used in SuperCoach

 

[ScottyDogg]

The player ratings are done over two seasons (best 40 games over that period) so thats where he is ranked 133rd.

If you only count the games from this season he is 26th



Champion Data have two types of ranking systems. Player ratings and ranking points. Ranking points are used in SuperCoach

Thanks mate! How many players do we have inside 26 this year?

 

[Oliver G]

I'd imagine Bont will be the third player in the squad alongside those two and Wallis is a shout for the squad as well but might just miss.

Think Bont has been equally as good as Macrae this season, maybe even a little better. I have given them the same amount of 'Ching votes' this season. 26 a piece. He has got more coaches votes as well.

Bont has been excellent since around R9 but struggled before that which is what will likely prevent him from getting AA, Macrae as always is Mr. Consistent and has only had 1 or 2 average games.

Macrae is ranked 3rd in Ranking Points, 2nd for Disposals, 2nd for Effective Disposals, 3rd for I50s, 6th for Score Assists (midfielders).

Bontempelli is ranked 15th in Ranking Points, 24th for Disposals, 39th for Effective Disposals, 13th for I50s, 12th for Score Assists (midfielders)

Bont will make the squad but I really think our two most realistic chances of getting selected are Macrae and Daniel.

 

[Oliver G]

What are ranking points and why are they different to actual ranking?

AFL Player Ratings are based off a two year average score and have been recorded since 2010. They are technically calculated by Champion Data but at the request of the AFL. It's an extremely complicated formula that in my opinion is too harsh on efficiency and too generous on metres gained amongst others.

Champion Data Ranking Points are what Champion Data use to measure player rankings and have been recorded since 2003 and with the current formula from 2008. 3300 points are distributed in each game with the focus on game breaking (ie a goal to put your team in front will award you more points than if you are already 5 goals up). Supercoach is usually the same as Ranking Points although Champion Data go through the game again the following day while Supercoach take the scores from the end of the match.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Bont has been excellent since around R9 but struggled before that which is what will likely prevent him from getting AA, Macrae as always is Mr. Consistent and has only had 1 or 2 average games.

Macrae is ranked 3rd in Ranking Points, 2nd for Disposals, 2nd for Effective Disposals, 3rd for I50s, 6th for Score Assists (midfielders).

Bontempelli is ranked 15th in Ranking Points, 24th for Disposals, 39th for Effective Disposals, 13th for I50s, 12th for Score Assists (midfielders)

Bont will make the squad but I really think our two most realistic chances of getting selected are Macrae and Daniel.

I thought Macrae’s first five games were fairly average other than the GWS game, he fought back late in the Sydney game too after being kept a little quiet by Hewett. Was outstanding between rounds 6 and 11 and then has been good without being great in the last four games. Had a good season but don’t think at the impact of last season.

I think you might be right though. I’ve been doing my team every month or so and when I did it two weeks ago I had Daniel and Macrae in and Bont out.

Feel like Macrae has been our best player in a lot of losses this year (Carlton, Richmond, Brisbane, even Port) but when we’ve won (even though he’s been good in a lot of them) we’ve had better contributors. Only really the Gold Coast win when I’d have him as our best in a win. Think that probably bodes well for his B&F chances

 

[MYOB]

The coaches have rated Bont over Macrae

 

[Boof09]

The protect Ryan Gardner machine in full swing by the club - Herald sun just now by Sam Landsberger



Ryan Gardner sometimes feels like he has more names than the phonebook in Smithton, Tasmania, where he is from.
“From my last name there’s “Gardy”, “Garden Weed” or “Garden Gnome”,” the Western Bulldogs defender said.

“The Geelong boys call me ‘Plugger’ after that Carlton (VFL) game, where I kicked six.

“And then the one that’s stuck here at the Dogs is ‘Plums’.”

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That nickname dropped at pre-season camp, when Gardner emerged from a rock pool diving challenge with his Speedos repositioned.

It should be as risqué as it gets.

Sadly, some Bulldog supporters have come up with their own hurtful names for Gardner this year, and loaded them on social media.

The nasty comments flooded the Dogs’ Instagram, Facebook and Twitter feeds after Gardner’s first three games in the backline.


Some trolls contacted the 23-year-old directly.

“I got my fair share of direct messages on Insta,” Gardner said.

“Obviously with COVID people are at home more and watching more footy and they’ve probably got more stress … I don’t really know what their intentions are.”

Gardner’s family — sisters Ella and Monique and parents Steven and Marelle — couldn’t help but read, and squirm, at what was being said.


His girlfriend, Lana, tried to block it out.

“I don’t even know if she likes (follows) the Bulldogs’ page anymore, because of that reason,” Gardner said.

“She doesn’t want to see it. They’re (family) a lot better now.

“It’s probably something that you don’t want to happen, but it’s part of the game.”

It shouldn’t be, and Dogs coach Luke Beveridge said it was “extremely disappointing” that a minority of fans turned on their own.

“I’m sensitive and aware to some of the things that happen with some of the trolls, even some of our supporters who get down on our players at times,” Beveridge said. “I’m hoping he (Gardner) doesn’t think about it too much.”

Thankfully, he doesn’t. The trolls are thickheaded, but Gardner is thick-skinned.

“When they came up it was more just straight in the trash — delete, delete button,” he said.

“I don’t really read it. On the flip side I’ve also had plenty of positive messages as well saying, ‘Keep your head up’ or ‘You played well this week, really like what you’re doing’.”

As teammate Aaron Naughton said: “He’s someone that doesn’t take it to heart, but you shouldn’t be copping those messages”.

Ryan Gardner has been a victim of online trolls. Picture: Michael Klein
Dig deeper and the abuse that Gardner has fielded becomes even more inexplicable.

Rewind 18 months and he was as busy as he was inconspicuous.

Delisted by Geelong at the end of 2018, Gardner settled on Footscray over Casey after being impressed by coach Daniel Giansiracusa.

Outside of training under lights at Whitten Oval the humble VFL player was juggling three jobs and a university degree.

He was pouring beers at Yarraville’s Railway Hotel, steam-cleaning carpets and bulk packing sports gear at a factory in Hawthorn.

“I’ve gone from being on an AFL list on good money to being back in the real world,” Gardner said.

“I was working somewhere between 30-40 hours a week as well as playing footy and trying to get picked back up.

“Obviously doing three jobs a week isn’t a life you want to live.”

Gardner was making $27 an hour on weekdays at the Railway and a few extra dollars cleaning carpets with David Johnson, who Gardner met through Geelong’s welfare program.

“I got to go on trips with him to NSW and it was hard work, because you’d be going through big schools trying to get it done as quick as you can,” Gardner said.

“It was a bit of pre-season fitness as well.”

Gardner would often start cleaning carpets at 8am and close the pub at midnight on the same day.

Shifts at the factory included a 90-minute commute from Geelong, where Gardner lived with Nakia Cockatoo.

Gardner has fast-become the Dogs’ golden fist. Picture: Michael Klein
Gardner grew up on a dairy farm — his parents would milk 1000 cows twice a day — and so the long journeys didn’t faze him.

Instead it was the dose of reality which got to him.

“Coming straight from school into AFL I hadn’t really lived in the real world apart from being a footballer,” Gardner said.

“It was definitely a real eye-opener to know that I’ve got to do my study so I’ve got a pathway after footy.”

Gardner is completing an advanced diploma of building design and then it will be on to an architecture degree.

That career should come as no surprise to Beveridge, who lauded Gardner’s attention to detail.

In 2010 Chris Grant said Josh Hill should never play for the club again after he walked away from the mark as Daniel Menzel approached for a set-shot.

Gardner is the opposite.

In Round 13 Gardner got a finger to Jake Melksham’s set-shot and last week he jumped so high that Jack Darling failed to clear the spring-heeled defender.

“Two similar examples of a young player who plays the game right to the line,” Beveridge said.

“We’ve won two games and it’s possible that if someone else is on mark we might have dropped them both.

“He’s very attentive to instruction. I think he’s been outstanding.”

Supporters were surprised Gardner made the Round 1 team and even more surprised when, 12 weeks later, he played again in Round 2.

When Gardner earned a recall in Round 11, the day Eric Hipwood kicked five goals, the keyboard cowards cut loose for a third time.

Matthew Lloyd said Beveridge gifted Hipwood the bag by picking Gardner although defensive coach Rohan Smith was forgiving in the review.

“Going back through the edits I was in the right spots,” Gardner said.

“It was more just the execution of me going to wrestle him and grabbing at the jumper or things like that.”

Since then Gardner has kept Taylor Walker and Tom McDonald to one goal each and held Darling goalless.

He has also spent time on Tom Hawkins and Jordan De Goey, with no challenge seemingly too big or too small.

‘Plugger’ is now plugging the Bulldogs backline.

“Some of the opposition key forwards he’s been able to either blanket or help defend in recent times has been very encouraging for us,” Beveridge said.

“He’s rarely in the wrong place with the way we want to defend,” said.

Gardner played 52 VFL games but no AFL games for Geelong.
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Gardner was thrilled when Geelong drafted him at pick No. 59 but it proved to be a double-edged sword.

The positive was he was learning from the likes of Harry Taylor, Tom Lonergan, Andrew Mackie and Corey Enright and defensive coach Matthew Scarlett.

The downside was he was competing with the likes of Taylor, Lonergan, Mackie and Enright for selection.

“I knew it wasn’t going to be an easy task to get in the team, which I found impossible in the end,” he said.

In 2018 Cats coach Chris Scott swung Gardner forward, leading to his bag of six and the nickname “Plugger Gardner”.

But after for 52 VFL games and zero AFL games in three years the Cats cut him.

This is Gardner’s fifth consecutive season on an AFL list, but his first real one at the Bulldogs.

In May last year Gardner’s luck completed the sharpest of U-turns.

On a Monday night he was selected in the mid-season draft — taking Tom Boyd’s (retired) place on the Dogs’ list — and the very next day Beveridge told him he would be making his AFL debut that week.

Gardner represented Tassie as a young whipper snapper. Picture: AFL Media
Fancy that — three years at Geelong for no games and a few days at the Dogs for one game.

“He was pretty quickly taken off the roster,” Railway owner Jason Snedden said.

“He was literally serving beers one weekend and playing the Eagles in Perth the next.

“He’s gone from behind the bar to up on the wall on TV.”

Gardner also celebrated his 22nd birthday the day before his debut although only played one more match for the season and suffered a knee injury.

It was understandable.

While Gardner’s AFL opponents were training full-time over summer he’d been pouring beers and cleaning carpets.

“I’m never going to be a high possession player, it’s more just how much impact I have in each contest,” Gardner said.

“That’s my strength. I’m someone who enjoys getting in those big contests and trying to either spoil or take a mark.”

Gardner was confident he had done enough to “tick off getting a new contract”.

How does Beveridge see his new stopper?

“He’s a player who has great athletic qualities, an enormous amount of courage, he’s highly skilled with his feet and, like any player who’s introduced at the highest level of our game, it takes them a little while to settle,” Beveridge said.

“He’s a bright light, we feel like we’ve found a little diamond in the rough in Ryan and he’ll only continue to get better and better.”

In other words, a big tick.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

The protect Ryan Gardner machine in full swing by the club - Herald sun just now by Sam Landsberger



Ryan Gardner sometimes feels like he has more names than the phonebook in Smithton, Tasmania, where he is from.
“From my last name there’s “Gardy”, “Garden Weed” or “Garden Gnome”,” the Western Bulldogs defender said.

“The Geelong boys call me ‘Plugger’ after that Carlton (VFL) game, where I kicked six.

“And then the one that’s stuck here at the Dogs is ‘Plums’.”

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That nickname dropped at pre-season camp, when Gardner emerged from a rock pool diving challenge with his Speedos repositioned.

It should be as risqué as it gets.

Sadly, some Bulldog supporters have come up with their own hurtful names for Gardner this year, and loaded them on social media.

The nasty comments flooded the Dogs’ Instagram, Facebook and Twitter feeds after Gardner’s first three games in the backline.


Some trolls contacted the 23-year-old directly.

“I got my fair share of direct messages on Insta,” Gardner said.

“Obviously with COVID people are at home more and watching more footy and they’ve probably got more stress … I don’t really know what their intentions are.”

Gardner’s family — sisters Ella and Monique and parents Steven and Marelle — couldn’t help but read, and squirm, at what was being said.


His girlfriend, Lana, tried to block it out.

“I don’t even know if she likes (follows) the Bulldogs’ page anymore, because of that reason,” Gardner said.

“She doesn’t want to see it. They’re (family) a lot better now.

“It’s probably something that you don’t want to happen, but it’s part of the game.”

It shouldn’t be, and Dogs coach Luke Beveridge said it was “extremely disappointing” that a minority of fans turned on their own.

“I’m sensitive and aware to some of the things that happen with some of the trolls, even some of our supporters who get down on our players at times,” Beveridge said. “I’m hoping he (Gardner) doesn’t think about it too much.”

Thankfully, he doesn’t. The trolls are thickheaded, but Gardner is thick-skinned.

“When they came up it was more just straight in the trash — delete, delete button,” he said.

“I don’t really read it. On the flip side I’ve also had plenty of positive messages as well saying, ‘Keep your head up’ or ‘You played well this week, really like what you’re doing’.”

As teammate Aaron Naughton said: “He’s someone that doesn’t take it to heart, but you shouldn’t be copping those messages”.

Ryan Gardner has been a victim of online trolls. Picture: Michael Klein
Dig deeper and the abuse that Gardner has fielded becomes even more inexplicable.

Rewind 18 months and he was as busy as he was inconspicuous.

Delisted by Geelong at the end of 2018, Gardner settled on Footscray over Casey after being impressed by coach Daniel Giansiracusa.

Outside of training under lights at Whitten Oval the humble VFL player was juggling three jobs and a university degree.

He was pouring beers at Yarraville’s Railway Hotel, steam-cleaning carpets and bulk packing sports gear at a factory in Hawthorn.

“I’ve gone from being on an AFL list on good money to being back in the real world,” Gardner said.

“I was working somewhere between 30-40 hours a week as well as playing footy and trying to get picked back up.

“Obviously doing three jobs a week isn’t a life you want to live.”

Gardner was making $27 an hour on weekdays at the Railway and a few extra dollars cleaning carpets with David Johnson, who Gardner met through Geelong’s welfare program.

“I got to go on trips with him to NSW and it was hard work, because you’d be going through big schools trying to get it done as quick as you can,” Gardner said.

“It was a bit of pre-season fitness as well.”

Gardner would often start cleaning carpets at 8am and close the pub at midnight on the same day.

Shifts at the factory included a 90-minute commute from Geelong, where Gardner lived with Nakia Cockatoo.

Gardner has fast-become the Dogs’ golden fist. Picture: Michael Klein
Gardner grew up on a dairy farm — his parents would milk 1000 cows twice a day — and so the long journeys didn’t faze him.

Instead it was the dose of reality which got to him.

“Coming straight from school into AFL I hadn’t really lived in the real world apart from being a footballer,” Gardner said.

“It was definitely a real eye-opener to know that I’ve got to do my study so I’ve got a pathway after footy.”

Gardner is completing an advanced diploma of building design and then it will be on to an architecture degree.

That career should come as no surprise to Beveridge, who lauded Gardner’s attention to detail.

In 2010 Chris Grant said Josh Hill should never play for the club again after he walked away from the mark as Daniel Menzel approached for a set-shot.

Gardner is the opposite.

In Round 13 Gardner got a finger to Jake Melksham’s set-shot and last week he jumped so high that Jack Darling failed to clear the spring-heeled defender.

“Two similar examples of a young player who plays the game right to the line,” Beveridge said.

“We’ve won two games and it’s possible that if someone else is on mark we might have dropped them both.

“He’s very attentive to instruction. I think he’s been outstanding.”

Supporters were surprised Gardner made the Round 1 team and even more surprised when, 12 weeks later, he played again in Round 2.

When Gardner earned a recall in Round 11, the day Eric Hipwood kicked five goals, the keyboard cowards cut loose for a third time.

Matthew Lloyd said Beveridge gifted Hipwood the bag by picking Gardner although defensive coach Rohan Smith was forgiving in the review.

“Going back through the edits I was in the right spots,” Gardner said.

“It was more just the execution of me going to wrestle him and grabbing at the jumper or things like that.”

Since then Gardner has kept Taylor Walker and Tom McDonald to one goal each and held Darling goalless.

He has also spent time on Tom Hawkins and Jordan De Goey, with no challenge seemingly too big or too small.

‘Plugger’ is now plugging the Bulldogs backline.

“Some of the opposition key forwards he’s been able to either blanket or help defend in recent times has been very encouraging for us,” Beveridge said.

“He’s rarely in the wrong place with the way we want to defend,” said.

Gardner played 52 VFL games but no AFL games for Geelong.
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Gardner was thrilled when Geelong drafted him at pick No. 59 but it proved to be a double-edged sword.

The positive was he was learning from the likes of Harry Taylor, Tom Lonergan, Andrew Mackie and Corey Enright and defensive coach Matthew Scarlett.

The downside was he was competing with the likes of Taylor, Lonergan, Mackie and Enright for selection.

“I knew it wasn’t going to be an easy task to get in the team, which I found impossible in the end,” he said.

In 2018 Cats coach Chris Scott swung Gardner forward, leading to his bag of six and the nickname “Plugger Gardner”.

But after for 52 VFL games and zero AFL games in three years the Cats cut him.

This is Gardner’s fifth consecutive season on an AFL list, but his first real one at the Bulldogs.

In May last year Gardner’s luck completed the sharpest of U-turns.

On a Monday night he was selected in the mid-season draft — taking Tom Boyd’s (retired) place on the Dogs’ list — and the very next day Beveridge told him he would be making his AFL debut that week.

Gardner represented Tassie as a young whipper snapper. Picture: AFL Media
Fancy that — three years at Geelong for no games and a few days at the Dogs for one game.

“He was pretty quickly taken off the roster,” Railway owner Jason Snedden said.

“He was literally serving beers one weekend and playing the Eagles in Perth the next.

“He’s gone from behind the bar to up on the wall on TV.”

Gardner also celebrated his 22nd birthday the day before his debut although only played one more match for the season and suffered a knee injury.

It was understandable.

While Gardner’s AFL opponents were training full-time over summer he’d been pouring beers and cleaning carpets.

“I’m never going to be a high possession player, it’s more just how much impact I have in each contest,” Gardner said.

“That’s my strength. I’m someone who enjoys getting in those big contests and trying to either spoil or take a mark.”

Gardner was confident he had done enough to “tick off getting a new contract”.

How does Beveridge see his new stopper?

“He’s a player who has great athletic qualities, an enormous amount of courage, he’s highly skilled with his feet and, like any player who’s introduced at the highest level of our game, it takes them a little while to settle,” Beveridge said.

“He’s a bright light, we feel like we’ve found a little diamond in the rough in Ryan and he’ll only continue to get better and better.”

In other words, a big tick.

He should be protected from that s**t. * anyone who contacts a player directly to abuse them.

 

[Mojorisin]

He should be protected from that sh*t. fu** anyone who contacts a player directly to abuse them.

Yes he played some very average games to start his ago career with the lions one being his worst. But a he'll of alot of really talented guys have also started very poorly, luke Darcy comes to mind. Gards may become a serviceable footballer or he may not but at the end of the day if anyoneprivate messages him with hate they're a $h!t bloke imo.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

He should be protected from that sh*t. fu** anyone who contacts a player directly to abuse them.

Don't understand how that's a thing. Pretty pathetic

 

[bullish23]

He should be protected from that sh*t. fu** anyone who contacts a player directly to abuse them.

Agree. We criticise players a lot on here but that’s in the realm of discussing football matters. That’s not trolling. It’s us as fans venting, and celebrating the football journey. With re to Gardener, the BF community were more p1ssed at the selections than the individual player.

But messaging or tagging someone on SM is a dog act and should result with consequences for those individuals.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Don’t get why people contact players directly to abuse them

 

[Maverick Dog]

He should be protected from that sh*t. fu** anyone who contacts a player directly to abuse them.

personal abuse is not acceptable and he is probably a great bloke. It is not his fault Bevo and the MC are poor judges and match selections have inconsistencies depending if it Is a Bevo favourite. I am not convinced he is in the best 30 and I would play Lewis Young and Trengove before him. My other concern is we should not be playing Gardner, Cordy, Keath and Wood. I am now worried Bevo will drop Cordy or Keath before the diamond in the rough. Spoiling and jumping over the mark are behind intercept marking, something he has not shown he is capable of. Richmond are the benchmark here with their defence. Intercept and slingshot With skills and speed.

Bevo is going all out to justify his decisions here.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I don’t understand why a so called supporter would do that.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

I obviously agree that is too far - but I get the initial fustration with lack of explanation.

 

[CarnTheScray]

personal abuse is not acceptable and he is probably a great bloke. It is not his fault Bevo and the MC are poor judges and match selections have inconsistencies depending if it Is a Bevo favourite. I am not convinced he is in the best 30 and I would play Lewis Young and Trengove before him. My other concern is we should not be playing Gardner, Cordy, Keath and Wood. I am now worried Bevo will drop Cordy or Keath before the diamond in the rough. Spoiling and jumping over the mark are behind intercept marking, something he has not shown he is capable of. Richmond are the benchmark here with their defence. Intercept and slingshot With skills and speed.

Bevo is going all out to justify his decisions here.

Spot on Maverick, I felt sorry for him earlier in the year when he was being selected by the MC as he was not clearly up to standard. He has improved and shown some things but he is no saving grace.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

I don’t understand why a so called supporter would do that.

I remember getting frustrated as a little kid with players' failings. Didn't understand why players didn't just do it right all the time.

Then I started playing footy myself.

After a couple of games, I stopped criticising League players.

It was hard enough getting a touch in junior footy, let alone at elite level!

Lesson learned - for life.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

personal abuse is not acceptable and he is probably a great bloke. It is not his fault Bevo and the MC are poor judges and match selections have inconsistencies depending if it Is a Bevo favourite. I am not convinced he is in the best 30 and I would play Lewis Young and Trengove before him. My other concern is we should not be playing Gardner, Cordy, Keath and Wood. I am now worried Bevo will drop Cordy or Keath before the diamond in the rough. Spoiling and jumping over the mark are behind intercept marking, something he has not shown he is capable of. Richmond are the benchmark here with their defence. Intercept and slingshot With skills and speed.

Bevo is going all out to justify his decisions here.

Could it also not be that Gardner is a confidence player? Complain as much as you want about Bevo's selection decisions (I have as well), but he's not selecting him for no reason at all, he must have shown something in training and match sim. I get the sense he's had trouble showing this in games because of a lack of confidence and this is Bevo, with the interpersonal skills he has, pumping up his tyres and showing faith in him to get the best out of him. He's been improving.

 

[Boof09]

personal abuse is not acceptable and he is probably a great bloke. It is not his fault Bevo and the MC are poor judges and match selections have inconsistencies depending if it Is a Bevo favourite. I am not convinced he is in the best 30 and I would play Lewis Young and Trengove before him. My other concern is we should not be playing Gardner, Cordy, Keath and Wood. I am now worried Bevo will drop Cordy or Keath before the diamond in the rough. Spoiling and jumping over the mark are behind intercept marking, something he has not shown he is capable of. Richmond are the benchmark here with their defence. Intercept and slingshot With skills and speed.

Bevo is going all out to justify his decisions here.

Agree, contacting personally is not right, but you are spot on here, if Wood is fit, who goes out?? An interesting selection that will be