What to do with the Port Magpies?

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This is going to cause a lot of divided opinion but I wanted to throw it out there. I am not sure if this has been mentioned before?

IMO it is time to wind the Port Magpies up at the end of this season.

If the proposal to have the Power’s reserve side in the SANFL does not work, I can’t see any reason as to why the Port Magpies should continue in the SANFL.

Judging by Andy D’s comments the other day, the AFL is not going to become involved in setting up reserves team in the SANFL for the 2 South Australian AFL teams. We all know how the SANFL works (there are so many hidden agendas), that it will be near high impossible to get enough votes on the SANFL commission to get a Power reserves team in the SANFL in the foreseeable future. I can’t see it happening in the next 5 years at least.

The Port Magpies are a shadow of their former self and they are fast becoming irrelevant in the SANFL competition (if not already). In my eyes they are definitely not the same club that I have followed since the early 80’s and the SANFL competition now is pretty much irrelevant as well. Up until 10 years ago I would go to every Port Magpies game irrespective of where the game was being played. Now I would be lucky to go to 3-4 games a year and I must admit I don’t care about the result of the game, I am more interested in seeing how the Power players are playing for both Port Magpies and their opponent on that day (if any are playing). I have lost all interest in the SANFL.

The advantages of winding up the Port Magpies at the end of the year would be:
  • Be better off financially as we would only have Power to look after.
  • More time and resources available to the Power
  • Avoid all of the confusion surrounding the name Port Adelaide
I am happy for the Port Magpies to become the Power’s reserves side in the SANFL as that would be the ideal solution but I as I said before, I can’t see it happening.

I would be interested to hear what people’s thoughts are?
 

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Bad call.

So let's say that they wind up the Magpies and in eight years time we are given a reserves side, what then - we take over the Eagles?

Last year the Power were irrelevant, we have had a good start to the year but by no means are we back. I can name a heap of SANFL Clubs (in fact all of them) where they have gone through lean periods where no premierships have been won or finals played. You can't question the relevance of the SANFL, so what we move the Magpies to another comp? It has nothing to do with the survival of the Magpies.

Sure we are not performing in the SANFL like we did in the 80' and 90's but it's no reason to close the Club down. The fact you hardly go to games anymore is irrelevant - many others still do - as we go through life interests and priorities change, fact of life.

As for your advantages:

Financially - questionable? On the surface it might appear that way and it's only short term if we get a reserves side in the future. Remember we have moved to the One Club - pulling the rug out from the Magpies will piss a lot of people off and it will affect the Power membership.

More Time and Resources - not sure about that - would we actually use the resources - might save some time and money.

Confusion in name, now we are just pulling straws - seriously.
 

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There is no simple anwser to this, everything needs to be looked at at a doller value as well as the best intrest of the football club as a whole.

The first thing that needs to be soughted is the lience, this should be easy apparently we are worth nothing so just hand it over :confused:

Then we can work on the magpies without a gun to our head.
 
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Why couldn't they play in VFL competition and be our reserves side?
Tasmania had a team playing in the VFL for several years so know that they are open to expansion and interstate teams.
Sound familiar: Port Magpies tries to join the VFL without consent being obtained from the SANFL
 

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Bad call.

So let's say that they wind up the Magpies and in eight years time we are given a reserves side, what then - we take over the Eagles?
Bring in a seconds side called the Magpies.

Was that so hard?
You can't question the relevance of the SANFL
Why not?
 

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The Magpies are nearly our reserves now..theres only 6 or 7 players in the 2's that are not at the magpies..it wont be too hard to transfer them to the magpies through stealth. The magpies might be winning too many flags due to playing young players but they will still try and win and play competitive football which is what our reserves need to develop. The magpies will be crucial for the Powers success. Keep them going..keep them local and keep developing kids.
 

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Bad call.

So let's say that they wind up the Magpies and in eight years time we are given a reserves side, what then - we take over the Eagles?

Last year the Power were irrelevant, we have had a good start to the year but by no means are we back. I can name a heap of SANFL Clubs (in fact all of them) where they have gone through lean periods where no premierships have been won or finals played. You can't question the relevance of the SANFL, so what we move the Magpies to another comp? It has nothing to do with the survival of the Magpies.

Sure we are not performing in the SANFL like we did in the 80' and 90's but it's no reason to close the Club down. The fact you hardly go to games anymore is irrelevant - many others still do - as we go through life interests and priorities change, fact of life.

As for your advantages:

Financially - questionable? On the surface it might appear that way and it's only short term if we get a reserves side in the future. Remember we have moved to the One Club - pulling the rug out from the Magpies will piss a lot of people off and it will affect the Power membership.

More Time and Resources - not sure about that - would we actually use the resources - might save some time and money.

Confusion in name, now we are just pulling straws - seriously.
That is why I have thrown it open for debate. I am curious to hear both sides.

At the end of the day if if came down to financial survival between big brother (Power) and little brother (Port Magpies), I think we all know what the answer would be.

A couple of points of disclosure for me.

I was adamant from day one that there should be no Port Adelaide in the SANFL when we joined the AFL.

Also, I was against the OneClub merger. The Power needed to get it's own affairs in order before even thinking about taking on another entity.

I think we need to look at the bigger picture. At the end of the day, we need to attract more supporters who have no previous attachment to Port Adelaide. What happens when this current generation of Port supporters ( who watched the premierships in the 70's,80's and 90's) pass away? Who is going to be left to continue supporting the club? That is why we need to get as many new people as possible to join the club. Sure it may put a few noses of joint with long standing Port supporters but they need to understand that this is for the continual survival of the footy club.
 
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That is why I have thrown it open for debate. I am curious to hear both sides.

At the end of the day if if came down to financial survival between big brother (Power) and little brother (Port Magpies), I think we all know what the answer would be.

A couple of points of disclosure for me.

I was adamant from day one that there should be no Port Adelaide in the SANFL when we joined the AFL.

Also, I was against the OneClub merger. The Power needed to get it's own affairs in order before even thinking about taking on another entity.

I think we need to look at the bigger picture. At the end of the day, we need to attract more supporters who have no previous attachment to Port Adelaide. What happens when this current generation of Port supporters ( who watched the premierships in the 70's,80's and 90's) pass away? Who is going to be left to continue supporting the club? That is why we need to get as many new people as possible to join the club. Sure it may put a few noses of joint with long standing Port supporters but they need to understand that this is for the continual survival of the footy club.
Might be worth considering the VFL route for this very reason. We are looking for opportunities outside of SA.

Would more people goto Alberton every second week to see AFL listed players playing better quality football.
 

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New comers to the game wouldnt even know the sanfl exists so Magpie hate is not going to stop them supporting the Power. We need the Magpies purely for player development and there is no other option. Theres no money for VFL or AFL reserves and we need them at the same club..training at home with the group playing the one system. There is little downside of the Magpies as our reserves and no other realistic option. It will happen within the next 2 years anyway.
 

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This is going to cause a lot of divided opinion but I wanted to throw it out there. I am not sure if this has been mentioned before?

IMO it is time to wind the Port Magpies up at the end of this season.

If the proposal to have the Power’s reserve side in the SANFL does not work, I can’t see any reason as to why the Port Magpies should continue in the SANFL.

Judging by Andy D’s comments the other day, the AFL is not going to become involved in setting up reserves team in the SANFL for the 2 South Australian AFL teams. We all know how the SANFL works (there are so many hidden agendas), that it will be near high impossible to get enough votes on the SANFL commission to get a Power reserves team in the SANFL in the foreseeable future. I can’t see it happening in the next 5 years at least.

The Port Magpies are a shadow of their former self and they are fast becoming irrelevant in the SANFL competition (if not already). In my eyes they are definitely not the same club that I have followed since the early 80’s and the SANFL competition now is pretty much irrelevant as well. Up until 10 years ago I would go to every Port Magpies game irrespective of where the game was being played. Now I would be lucky to go to 3-4 games a year and I must admit I don’t care about the result of the game, I am more interested in seeing how the Power players are playing for both Port Magpies and their opponent on that day (if any are playing). I have lost all interest in the SANFL.

The advantages of winding up the Port Magpies at the end of the year would be:
  • Be better off financially as we would only have Power to look after.
  • More time and resources available to the Power
  • Avoid all of the confusion surrounding the name Port Adelaide
I am happy for the Port Magpies to become the Power’s reserves side in the SANFL as that would be the ideal solution but I as I said before, I can’t see it happening.

I would be interested to hear what people’s thoughts are?
Yep, you got it

Will be a loss maker and has no relevance in 5,10,15,20,25 years. We need vision

There is only one Port Adelaide.
 
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That is why I have thrown it open for debate. I am curious to hear both sides.

At the end of the day if if came down to financial survival between big brother (Power) and little brother (Port Magpies), I think we all know what the answer would be.

A couple of points of disclosure for me.

I was adamant from day one that there should be no Port Adelaide in the SANFL when we joined the AFL.

Also, I was against the OneClub merger. The Power needed to get it's own affairs in order before even thinking about taking on another entity.

I think we need to look at the bigger picture. At the end of the day, we need to attract more supporters who have no previous attachment to Port Adelaide. What happens when this current generation of Port supporters ( who watched the premierships in the 70's,80's and 90's) pass away? Who is going to be left to continue supporting the club? That is why we need to get as many new people as possible to join the club. Sure it may put a few noses of joint with long standing Port supporters but they need to understand that this is for the continual survival of the footy club.
Now I'm REALLY angry.

I watched Port Adelaide win premierships in the 50s... and I have no intention of passing away.

And all I 'need to understand' is what Ken Hinkley dictates: WE WILL NEVER GIVE IN.

I'll leave it at that for now. Tomorrow I may look at this thread again, having decided whether or not it deserves a second glance.
 

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Now I'm REALLY angry.

I watched Port Adelaide win premierships in the 50s... and I have no intention of passing away.

And all I 'need to understand' is what Ken Hinkley dictates: WE WILL NEVER GIVE IN.

I'll leave it at that for now. Tomorrow I may look at this thread again, having decided whether or not it deserves a second glance.
I did not mean to offend anyone with this thread.

I thought I would throw it open as I have thought about this issue for a very long time and every time I discuss it with my mates who follow Port we all have different opinions.
 

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It would make a mockery of all our comments about one club and our proud history if we just wound up the Maggies. They must stay IMO (even if it is in the VFL or the AFL reserves). We would lose too much of the ground we have made this year winning back old fans if we ditched the Maggies.
 

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And is told to change it's emblem and guernsey by Collingwood.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am lead to beleive by a reliable source that our Magpie Emblem was purchased by Collingwood on the condition that it was of the mirror image ei: facing the opposite direction..... can someone confirm this. and if it is the case, our emblem is original and 50% different.

We have every right to not change our emblem.....and so the shit fight starts again.....

perhaps we could have the emblem looking like the piping shreik as is on the state logo.....
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I am lead to beleive by a reliable source that our Magpie Emblem was purchased by Collingwood on the condition that it was of the mirror image ei: facing the opposite direction..... can someone confirm this. and if it is the case, our emblem is original and 50% different.

We have every right to not change our emblem.....and so the shit fight starts again.....

perhaps we could have the emblem looking like the piping shreik as is on the state logo.....
The old Collingwood Magpie is the same as ours but the current one is reversed. Don't know when or why the change. And there is no such bird as a Piping Shrike. The state emblem is a White backed Magpie, which is replicated as the back panel on the Prison Bars.

As for our SANFL side, KT put himself on record on 5AA on Saturday stating the Magpies are here to stay. He also put on record that all Port Adelaide players will play at Port Adelaide.

Putting all I've heard together, I believe that's why our recruiting was a little "light on" this season. No point clogging up spots on the list that will be filled with AFL recruits over time. A little more short term pain for long term gain.
 

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i don't understand the idea of killing the magpies, our reserves side, and making a 'power reserves side', which we already have, called the magpies.
 

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You're being a bit quick to write them off. If in 5 years or so they still haven't risen off of the bottom two, then yeah, we might need to think of what to do, but writing off a team completely for just a couple of years of bad performance is a bit of an over-reaction.
 
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