What to do with the Port Magpies?

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Bit quick? They have been crap for over a decade. An entire generation of kids have no idea just how mighty and feared they once were


The final column is the sum of the positions each team has been in since 2000. Lower is better, obviously. Port is fifth. If you limit it to the last decade, they're 7th, which shows a decrease in performance, but still nothing warranting mass concern.

Yes, they've been mediocre for a decade. But they haven't been consistently horrible. They haven't won a spoon since 1900, for crying out loud!
 

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What long term gain?
Let's not forget a significant portion of that mediocrity was caused through the SANFL shunting them off to the wastelands of Ethelton with no money.

If our players are going to play together, which they must, they have to be grouped together somewhere. Do you have a better suggestion than at the Magpies? And don't go spruiking the VFL, because it ain't going to happen.

I'm not going to elaborate but in an era of Free Agency, the club feels there are advantages in having a unique structure of Juniors, Reserves, League and AFL.
 

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You guys are far more optimistic than me about a Power reserves side in the SANFL.

I can't see the Glenelg's or North Adelaide's of this world allowing both Port and the Crows to have reserves teams in the SANFL.

I think they need 6 votes on the SANFL commission to get the reserves teams into the the SANFL. Can you tell where those 6 votes are going to come from? Which 6 SANFL teams are going to vote for it? They only way they are going to vote in the positive is if they get a stack of cash but that is not going to happen. They are not going to mess with the integrity of the SANFL competition.

Also add in the fact we gave up our voting rights as part of the OneClub merger.

If by chance a miracle does happen and a reserves team is allowed in the SANFL. I can see there being that many conditions attached to it (e.g Port and Crows reserves sides are ineligible for finals and so on).
 

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You guys are far more optimistic than me about a Power reserves side in the SANFL.

I can't see the Glenelg's or North Adelaide's of this world allowing both Port and the Crows to have reserves teams in the SANFL.

I think they need 6 votes on the SANFL commission to get the reserves teams into the the SANFL. Can you tell where those 6 votes are going to come from? Which 6 SANFL teams are going to vote for it? They only way they are going to vote in the positive is if they get a stack of cash but that is not going to happen. They are not going to mess with the integrity of the SANFL competition.

Also add in the fact we gave up our voting rights as part of the OneClub merger.

If by chance a miracle does happen and a reserves team is allowed in the SANFL. I can see there being that many conditions attached to it (e.g Port and Crows reserves sides are ineligible for finals and so on).
When Sturt relies so heavily on AFL player availability the integrity of the competition is already being compromised.

And I also can't see the SANFL clubs voting for the proposal. But there's already rumours that at least one club will not participate in the next mini-draft.

KT has already stated that all players will be at Alberton "one way or the other". If not one way, then it will be the other.
 

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The final column is the sum of the positions each team has been in since 2000. Lower is better, obviously. Port is fifth. If you limit it to the last decade, they're 7th, which shows a decrease in performance, but still nothing warranting mass concern.

Yes, they've been mediocre for a decade. But they haven't been consistently horrible. They haven't won a spoon since 1900, for crying out loud!
Now compare it to the 20 years before that
 

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The final column is the sum of the positions each team has been in since 2000. Lower is better, obviously. Port is fifth. If you limit it to the last decade, they're 7th, which shows a decrease in performance, but still nothing warranting mass concern.

Yes, they've been mediocre for a decade. But they haven't been consistently horrible. They haven't won a spoon since 1900, for crying out loud!

"We exist to average fifth over 13 years or so."
:/
 

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Thread starter #34
ahahahahahahahahahahah

Oh, sorry, you're being serious.
Yeah you are right. There is no integrity in the SANFL competition :)

My only hope is that one day there will be an AFL reserves competition.
 

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Now compare it to the 20 years before that
The main appeal of the AFL for many people is that it isn't as stupidly one-sided as the Bundesliga or Spain's La Liga.

Expecting a club to stay #1 for decades on end, and saying that they should be axed from the competition for averaging fifth is stupidly entitled, and wanting a competition that lopsided is just silly.

Yeah you are right. There is no integrity in the SANFL competition :)

My only hope is that one day there will be an AFL reserves competition.
I'd prefer a division system over reserves, as that way the game could expand a bit more, and give regional areas a proper team to support without costing the AFL millions of dollars, but apparently I'm the only person on the planet who likes both AFL and the promotion/relegation system, so I'd be happy with reserves as a compromise.
 

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Keep the prison bars, add some teal and call them the Power reserves then we will truly be one club. There is no solution that will please every one but we have to move forward, we all know who we really are Port Adelaide. I will not be happy until all our players all play together. It is the narrow minded and selfish views of SANFL that has made our AFL adventure so difficult. If reserve teams for the two AFL sides is shelved again we need to break free from them altogether. I hear that the other mob said if they can't have a reserves team in the SANFL they will look options else where and that is what we should in that case.
 

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We need a reserves side so *all* our squad can play the team structures PAFC want so when they elevate to the seniors they already know the way they are expected to play the game for *us* in *our* way in the positions *we* want our players to play.

If that reserves side is in the snafl, vfl or Timbuktu old ladies 18 is irrelevant as long as they are being taught, and understand the way to play footy that will be for the betterment of the PAFC.
 
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Our number one priority has to be that the AFL team has a reserves side which mimics the structures of the seniors and plays our AFL listed players in the positions they ought to be played in. That would short-track development of younger players and team bonding/discipline etc. This is a priority for the success of the AFL side.

Next question is who is our reserves side and where can they play? For me it must be the magpies but I don't care in what competition they play. Obviously the SANFL makes sense but if we aren't allowed to align the magpies list and coaching wise with the Power we have to go elsewhere. If we have to play the magpies in the VFL for a few years (expensive I know) before the SANFL blink and let us have our own side in their league so be it. A strong Port Adelaide in the AFL should be the club's number one concern and the lack of a reserves side compared to other clubs is a pretty clear disadvantage to our on field success at AFL level. I'm sure there would be some serious technicalities to overcome in moving the magpies to another competition (hopefully only temporarily) but I'm not privy to them and I'll choose to ignore it...
 
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The Port Magpies are the most successful club in football history. To even suggest that they should not exist anymore is an insult to all the past players of this club. If you walked into the Port Club and even dared mention it you would be thrown out the door. The Power is just a name - it's the 140 years of past hard work and success that allow the great Port Adelaide name to live on in the AFL.

The Power is simply an evolution of this great club. It's the great and storied tradition that makes Port the success it is in the AFL today. Forgetting history would be a mistake and a tragedy.

It's the Port Adelaide Football Club - not the Magpies and the Power.
 

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The Port Magpies are the most successful club in football history. To even suggest that they should not exist anymore is an insult to all the past players of this club. If you walked into the Port Club and even dared mention it you would be thrown out the door. The Power is just a name - it's the 140 years of past hard work and success that allow the great Port Adelaide name to live on in the AFL.

The Power is simply an evolution of this great club. It's the great and storied tradition that makes Port the success it is in the AFL today. Forgetting history would be a mistake and a tragedy.

It's the Port Adelaide Football Club - not the Magpies and the Power.
I would be interested to hear what your thoughts would be if the Port Magpies become the Power's reserves side?

As I said before, if by some minor miracle there are AFL reserves teams allowed in the SANFL, I can see some very stringent conditions being attached to this, e.g not being eligible for finals and so on. There is no way the existing SANFL clubs are going to let a Port or Crows reserve team become a strong team in the SANFL.

How would you feel about going to watch the Port Magpies play when they really are only existing for the purposes of keeping all of the Power players in the one team and not playing for points as such as they are ineligble to play in finals?

I think we need to think about all the possbile options that could occur with a reserves team.
 

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The first thing we need at the Magpies is a decent ****ing coach.

The next thing we need to do, by hook or by crook, is to eventually get the Magpies to be essentially our reserves side. This is the only way to preserve the integrity of our football department and get the right training and coaching into our players for the benefit of our club and not, as it is now, to have our "reserve" players being ****ed around by the SANFL clubs that they are assigned too.

This is not going to happen over night but it will happen and to call for the winding up of the Maggies is short sighted and a clear case of cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.
 

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The first thing we need at the Magpies is a decent ****ing coach.

The next thing we need to do, by hook or by crook, is to eventually get the Magpies to be essentially our reserves side. This is the only way to preserve the integrity of our football department and get the right training and coaching into our players for the benefit of our club and not, as it is now, to have our "reserve" players being ****ed around by the SANFL clubs that they are assigned too.

This is not going to happen over night but it will happen and to call for the winding up of the Maggies is short sighted and a clear case of cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.
I definitely agree that we need a reserves side but you can see it actually happening?

We need 6 votes on the SANFL commission (2/3rds) to get it through. Each SANFL club gets one vote and there is one vote I think for the Country Leagues. We don't have any votes as we gave up our right to vote in the OneClub merger.

Tell me where are votes from the 6 SANFL clubs going to come from? The only way it would go through is if the SANFL clubs were offered cash incentives. You can put a line through Glenelg and North already. They are not going to vote for it.
 

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I definitely agree that we need a reserves side but you can see it actually happening?

We need 6 votes on the SANFL commission (2/3rds) to get it through. Each SANFL club gets one vote and there is one vote I think for the Country Leagues. We don't have any votes as we gave up our right to vote in the OneClub merger.

Tell me where are votes from the 6 SANFL clubs going to come from? The only way it would go through is if the SANFL clubs were offered cash incentives. You can put a line through Glenelg and North already. They are not going to vote for it.
Merge with glenelg and make them change their colours to black and white and name to Port Adelaide. Have the cows do the same to north.

The sanfl would actually be a decent comp without those rock melons in it. Not to mention, no history would be lost by taking them out.
 

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Merge with glenelg and make them change their colours to black and white and name to Port Adelaide. Have the cows do the same to north.

The sanfl would actually be a decent comp without those rock melons in it. Not to mention, no history would be lost by taking them out.
Great post :thumbsu:
 

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The Port Magpies are the most successful club in football history.
Nah, thats the PAFC, aka the Power.

If you walked into the Port Club and even dared mention it you would be thrown out the door.
I actually have talked about this while in the Port Club before, and the earth didn't swallow me up.
 
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