What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? (Part 1 - cont in Part 2)

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You're seemingly obsessed with Boyd, but you know nothing about him. Tom Boyd was not dropped in 2016 ... not once. He was injured against Carlton in round 4 and didn't play seniors again till round 17. Yes his comeback was delayed by the Cordy incident, but to say he was dropped is totally incorrect. Calling him a Premiership hero would be correct :)
He played 7 games in the VFL, hardly call that sitting out with injury. Come on you know better than that.

I'm not obsessed with Boyd I just dont understand how biased a supporter you can be to not look straight at the facts. 1 game doesn't define a player, since when had this ever been the case?

2 years of subpar play and then 3 goals on grand final day doesn't warrant a $6 million contract... How is this a "Pathetic" statement?
 

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He played 7 games in the VFL, hardly call that sitting out with injury. Come on you know better than that.

I'm not obsessed with Boyd I just dont understand how biased a supporter you can be to not look straight at the facts. 1 game doesn't define a player, since when had this ever been the case?

2 years of subpar play and then 3 goals on grand final day doesn't warrant a $6 million contract... How is this a "Pathetic" statement?
Sigh. Again you misrepresent the reasons of his pay packet. If you honestly believe that bevo was happy to sign off on a player at that value because he expects buddy like output in his first two years then you don't understand football in the slightest

You've also now moved the goal posts. Continually saying he was dropped. Then after correction you change it to "oh but he took 7 games to get back in"

Why is this even in the unpopular opinions thread? This is as stereotypical of an SEN caller as you can get.
 

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He played 7 games in the VFL, hardly call that sitting out with injury. Come on you know better than that.
Was he dropped was he? Took him about 6 or 7 weeks to get back from a serious shoulder injury (he's getting a reconstruction in the next couple of weeks) Came back through the magoos as expected and spent a couple of extra weeks in the magoos as punishment for the Cordy incident. So maybe 3 games in the middle there where Campbell was picked ahead of him

"No but i think they atleast expected him to be able to hold his spot in their best 22". Would you disagree that only managing to get picked less than half the games throughout the season qualifies as not being able to hold your spot in the best 22?
Picked less than half the games yes .. but you clearly either had no idea he was injured or chose to ignore it to support your argument. Which one is it?
 
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Sigh. Again you misrepresent the reasons of his pay packet. If you honestly believe that bevo was happy to sign off on a player at that value because he expects buddy like output in his first two years then you don't understand football in the slightest

You've also now moved the goal posts. Continually saying he was dropped. Then after correction you change it to "oh but he took 7 games to get back in"

Why is this even in the unpopular opinions thread? This is as stereotypical of an SEN caller as you can get.
Again, didnt say he needed to be Buddy, but really should be able to:

a) be picked for the best 22 every week (or atleast 99% of the time), he wasn't able to break into the senior side for 7 games, he didnt miss half the season due to injury like was claimed. To me for a bloke being paid as much as he is, thats unacceptable. Clearly you think it is..

b) Atleast be able to match the output of some of the weakest players in his position in the AFL. Not asking him to be Buddy, but atleast someone like (as you pointed out) Jesse White or Vickery
 

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Again, didnt say he needed to be Buddy, but really should be able to:

a) be picked for the best 22 every week (or atleast 99% of the time), he wasn't able to break into the senior side for 7 games, he didnt miss half the season due to injury like was claimed. To me for a bloke being paid as much as he is, thats unacceptable. Clearly you think it is..

b) Atleast be able to match the output of some of the weakest players in his position in the AFL. Not asking him to be Buddy, but atleast someone like (as you pointed out) Jesse White or Vickery
So you're not saying he's like white and vickery. Yet you haven't once mentioned his ruck, clearance etc. weird

How long do you need to come back from a shoulder injury? You've yet to admit being wrong despite numerous corrections and every time something is raised to you, you move the goal posts

Until boyds contract is done you can't determine if it's a failure or not(especially when you don't understand costs associated with a contract not only relating to stats)

Your posts would be better suited to "people who call SEN and play afl Fantasys opinions thread"
 

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He played 7 games in the VFL, hardly call that sitting out with injury. Come on you know better than that.

I'm not obsessed with Boyd I just dont understand how biased a supporter you can be to not look straight at the facts. 1 game doesn't define a player, since when had this ever been the case?

2 years of subpar play and then 3 goals on grand final day doesn't warrant a $6 million contract... How is this a "Pathetic" statement?
Correct, 1 game doesn't define a player but an influential performance in a grand final is worth 10 good H&A games.

In my opinion

Also this is not a smart arse question because I genuinely dont know but what is White's record in finals?
 
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Jesse white is in an unfortunate position i think. He isn't as bad as people make him out to be. When you do a blind look at these sets of stats, its not as though he stands out as clearly worse than his peers of similar forward/ruck hybrid role:

- 18 goals in 20 games, 5.4 marks per game (Levis Casboult)
- 23 goals in 16 games, 5.4 marks per game (Jesse White)
- 26 goals in 17 games, 4.0 marks per game (Tyrone Vickery)
- 20 goals in 10 games, 5.8 marks per game (Jack Redpath)
- 17 goals in 17 games, 2.9 marks per game (Kurt Tippett)

Just reeks of anti-collingwood hate...
You've made a terrible series of posts about Tom Boyd and Jessie White... DemonTim is sorting you out about the former, so I'll discuss the latter.

I'm one of Jessie's biggest critics - he's really not very good and his selection reflects how poor Collingwood as a club are traveling that he's getting a regular game. Don't be seduced by the statistics, JFW is just not a good footballer. He tries hard but is very limited and is only really playing because Collingwood have nobody better as a CHF to support Moore at FF.

The easy argument is just to criticise JFW for his faults (there are many), but I lay just as much blame at the club for not being able to draft/recruit/develop another key forward. It's been a problem position for many years at Collingwood and JFW is just not good enough to hold down the position. Good Travis Cloke and occasionally Ben Reid have performed the role well in recent years, otherwise we're going back to Gavin Brown (or Anthony Rocca if you rate him).
 

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Again, didnt say he needed to be Buddy, but really should be able to:

a) be picked for the best 22 every week (or atleast 99% of the time), he wasn't able to break into the senior side for 7 games, he didnt miss half the season due to injury like was claimed.
It was never claimed he missed half the season due to injury ... you're the one who claimed he was dropped and seemingly didn't know he seriously hurt his shoulder .. doesn't help your credibility on the topic does it?

And Boyd didn't get the contract based on what he'd do as a 20/21 year old ...
 
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How long do you need to come back from a shoulder injury? You've yet to admit being wrong despite numerous corrections and every time something is raised to you, you move the goal posts
Picked less than half the games yes .. but you clearly either had no idea he was injured or chose to ignore it to support your argument. Which one is it?
You've made a terrible series of posts about Tom Boyd
We can argue the semantics of whether or not he was playing injured in the 2's, why he was in the 2's how long was due to form or other circumstances but the truth is none of us actually know so I'm not going to disagree with you continuously on that point. Instead, ill ask you this, and try to answer this honestly:

If Jack Redpath had not been injured, would Tom Boyd have played as much as he had this season, (i suggest you take a look when Redpath came in, found some form, and then came out and when Boyd started stringing some games together) and more importantly, would he have been selected over Redpath on Grand Final day?

If your answer is "No Redpath probably would of played" then how can you possibly claim that Boyd is worth his absurdly inflated contract that your claiming he earnt after 1 good game, 1 game he wouldn't of even been in if it wasn't due to injury??

The deal, prior to Grand Final day, was widely regarded as one of the worst deals of the last several decades, how does 1 game change that? Still haven't got an answer.. Fortunately there has been 1 Dogs supporter to be rational about the subject, and acknowledge 1 game doesn't wipe 2 years of very average football
 

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I think Jesse White is a good football player and has been consistent lately . I like the fend offs and moving through traffic at speed . Can also kick a goal or two
Jesse white is in an unfortunate position i think. He isn't as bad as people make him out to be. When you do a blind look at these sets of stats, its not as though he stands out as clearly worse than his peers of similar forward/ruck hybrid role:

- 18 goals in 20 games, 5.4 marks per game (Levis Casboult)
- 23 goals in 16 games, 5.4 marks per game (Jesse White)
- 26 goals in 17 games, 4.0 marks per game (Tyrone Vickery)
- 20 goals in 10 games, 5.8 marks per game (Jack Redpath)
- 17 goals in 17 games, 2.9 marks per game (Kurt Tippett)

Just reeks of anti-collingwood hate...
I agree the perception of White as a spud is ridiculous and boring in that it's become like a soundbite. But take the chip off your shoulder, going by what I see on here a sizeable portion of these comments are coming from Pies supporters.
 

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We can argue the semantics of whether or not he was playing injured in the 2's, why he was in the 2's how long was due to form or other circumstances but the truth is none of us actually know so I'm not going to disagree with you continuously on that point. Instead, ill ask you this, and try to answer this honestly:

If Jack Redpath had not been injured, would Tom Boyd have played as much as he had this season, (i suggest you take a look when Redpath came in, found some form, and then came out and when Boyd started stringing some games together) and more importantly, would he have been selected over Redpath on Grand Final day?

If your answer is "No Redpath probably would of played" then how can you possibly claim that Boyd is worth his absurdly inflated contract that your claiming he earnt after 1 good game, 1 game he wouldn't of even been in if it wasn't due to injury??
Boyd was playing with Redpath when he got hurt. In the same game .. Boyd took Campbell's spot playing as the forward/ruck .... Redpath's position was taken by Cordy when he got hurt. They weren't in opposition ...

And again do you think the Dogs signed Boyd for what he would do when he was 20?
 

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Correct, 1 game doesn't define a player but an influential performance in a grand final is worth 10 good H&A games.

In my opinion

Also this is not a smart arse question because I genuinely dont know but what is White's record in finals?
Obviously hasn't played finals with us (well documented), at the Swans it was a little different because he was playing on the wing/ in the middle rather than at CHF like he has for us. In the 2013 finals series he averaged around 19 disposals a game and around 7 marks a game. Not lighting the world on fire but id say serviceable
 
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Boyd was playing with Redpath when he got hurt. In the same game .. Boyd took Campbell's spot playing as the forward/ruck .... Redpath's position was taken by Cordy when he got hurt. They weren't in opposition ...

And again do you think the Dogs signed Boyd for what he would do when he was 20?
Come on, now your stretching. I understand on that specific day of selection Cordy came in for Redpath, but Cordy plays down back. No way would you have gone with Boyd and Redpath on GF day. It would of been one or the other unless your suggesting Stringer would of potentially been dragged (doubtful)

And even then, i'm ignoring Crameri, who ignoring the ban would of pushed Boyd further out of the side
 

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Obviously hasn't played finals with us (well documented), at the Swans it was a little different because he was playing on the wing/ in the middle rather than at CHF like he has for us. In the 2013 finals series he averaged around 19 disposals a game and around 7 marks a game. Not lighting the world on fire but id say serviceable
19 and 7 average is a pretty good output. Tippett and Rohan would kill for that.
 

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We can argue the semantics of whether or not he was playing injured in the 2's, why he was in the 2's how long was due to form or other circumstances but the truth is none of us actually know so I'm not going to disagree with you continuously on that point. Instead, ill ask you this, and try to answer this honestly:

If Jack Redpath had not been injured, would Tom Boyd have played as much as he had this season, (i suggest you take a look when Redpath came in, found some form, and then came out and when Boyd started stringing some games together) and more importantly, would he have been selected over Redpath on Grand Final day?

If your answer is "No Redpath probably would of played" then how can you possibly claim that Boyd is worth his absurdly inflated contract that your claiming he earnt after 1 good game, 1 game he wouldn't of even been in if it wasn't due to injury??

The deal, prior to Grand Final day, was widely regarded as one of the worst deals of the last several decades, how does 1 game change that? Still haven't got an answer.. Fortunately there has been 1 Dogs supporter to be rational about the subject, and acknowledge 1 game doesn't wipe 2 years of very average football
Wait, he came in round 17, red path was injured in round 18. How do you figure he took redpaths spot? Campbell came out round 14 (the bye), Minson played 15. They ran with one ruck in 16 and Boyd played 17 onwards. Tom Boyd was a ruck forward. Redpath was not. Boyd had 127 hit outs for the year. Redpath had 7.
It's becoming obvious you don't understand a lot about the dogs and boyd
 
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Wait, he came in round 17, red path was injured in round 18. How do you figure he took redpaths spot? Campbell came out round 14 (the bye), Minson played 15. They ran with one ruck in 16 and Boyd played 17 onwards. Tom Boyd was a ruck forward. Redpath was not. Boyd had 127 hit outs for the year. Redpath had 7.
It's becoming obvious you don't understand a lot about the dogs and boyd
No way in hell the dogs would have carried Redpath and Boyd into the finals series given there obvious strength being their forward versatility with lots of quality small/medium forwards to put heavy ball pressure on and the controlled chaos as a result of this.

So i'll ask again, if Redpath hadn't been injured would the dogs have played him or Boyd on Grand Final day? Are you suggesting Redpath wouldn't of played?
 

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No way in hell the dogs would have carried Redpath and Boyd into the finals series given there obvious strength being their forward versatility with lots of quality small/medium forwards to put heavy ball pressure on and the controlled chaos as a result of this.

So i'll ask again, if Redpath hadn't been injured would the dogs have played him or Boyd on Grand Final day? Are you suggesting Redpath wouldn't of played?
They. Play. Different. Positions.

Guys, Boyd isn't best 22. Are you saying that if Wallace played grand final day, Boyd would've also played?! :rolleyes:
 

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So you think they would of played Boyd, Stringer and Redpath?
considering they all played the game before redpath was injured. Yes.
Unless you think they were going to run with 1 ruck for the rest of the year. Which they clearly didn't want to, as they only did it for one game

I'm wondering why you still can't say why Boyd wasn't dropped when they had big men playing well in the twos? You say he's not best 22, they had players playing ruck and forward in the twos playing well, why wasn't he dropped?
 
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considering they all played the game before redpath was injured. Yes.
Unless you think they were going to run with 1 ruck for the rest of the year. Which they clearly didn't want to, as they only did it for one game

I'm wondering why you still can't say why Boyd wasn't dropped when they had big men playing well in the twos? You say he's not best 22, they had players playing ruck and forward in the twos playing well, why wasn't he dropped?
Jesus christ, for the 2nd time, i never said Boyd wasn't best 22... I'm going to stop taking the time to reply to your comments if you can't learn to read.

Boyd wasn't dropped, he got injured, then didn't play well enough to break back into the senior side for a third of the season. The principle is the same.At the very best you can argue he is a fringe player who has benefited from injuries and suspension. Your just arguing semantics because you refuse to acknowledge the crux of the argument and how absurd your viewpoint is. The Boyd deal to date has been absolutely garbage. He has been barely AFL standard and hasn't even nearly shown any sort of reasonable consistency that would warrant the absurdly huge contract he was given. Its moronic to suggest 2 years of average at best football for a bloke who is on the coin he is on can suddenly turn into an acceptable standard simply because he had a game of 3 goals and 8 marks. Its just ridiculous.

Clokes game against GWS this season (20 disposals, 12 marks, 4 goals) was far better than Boyd's on GF day, it doesn't mean we just forget his crap play the last 2 season and offer him another contract. Perhaps this idiotic mindset is why the dogs are considering taking him
 

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Come on, now your stretching. I understand on that specific day of selection Cordy came in for Redpath, but Cordy plays down back. No way would you have gone with Boyd and Redpath on GF day.
My good golly Cordy generally played forward in the ones .. did you not watch the Dogs play??? Did Cordy kick his 2 goals in the Prelim as a defender?? Did he kick the Dogs first goal in the Grandfinal as a defender??Cordy played 9 games and kicked 8 goals. You know why?? Because he played as a forward

You didn't know Boyd got hurt .. you don't know where Cordy played in the ones ...
 
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My good golly Cordy generally played forward in the ones .. did you not watch the Dogs play??? Did Cordy kick his 2 goals in the Prelim as a defender?? Did he kick the Dogs first goal in the Grandfinal as a defender??Cordy played 9 games and kicked 8 goals. You know why?? Because he played as a forward

You didn't know Boyd got hurt .. you don't know where Cordy played in the ones ...
Hold on, your the one who tried to pass off that Boyd was out due to injury and his bar incident, and didn't acknowledge he actually played a third of the season in the 2's until i called you out on it. I never said Boyd wasn't injured, you just selectively chose to forget he played a large portion of the season in the 2's. please find where i said he wasn't injured.

Regarding Cordy, can't say i know alot about him. Didn't see him the back end of the season where he came in and didn't know much about him prior to selection.

It seems to me this has gotten to a state where your arguing separate issues, and not addressing my actual point, which is the Boyd deal is still garbage and 1 game doesn't change that. It seems your more trying to discredit other points ive made to avoid that one... Feel free to let me know how one game changes 2 years of being up and down between the 2's and ones, and how somehow Boyd's performances warrant his ridiculous contract.
 

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Jesus christ, for the 2nd time, i never said Boyd wasn't best 22... I'm going to stop taking the time to reply to your comments if you can't learn to read.

Boyd wasn't dropped, he got injured, then didn't play well enough to break back into the senior side for a third of the season. The principle is the same.At the very best you can argue he is a fringe player who has benefited from injuries and suspension. Your just arguing semantics because you refuse to acknowledge the crux of the argument and how absurd your viewpoint is. The Boyd deal to date has been absolutely garbage. He has been barely AFL standard and hasn't even nearly shown any sort of reasonable consistency that would warrant the absurdly huge contract he was given. Its moronic to suggest 2 years of average at best football for a bloke who is on the coin he is on can suddenly turn into an acceptable standard simply because he had a game of 3 goals and 8 marks. Its just ridiculous.

Clokes game against GWS this season (20 disposals, 12 marks, 4 goals) was far better than Boyd's on GF day, it doesn't mean we just forget his crap play the last 2 season and offer him another contract. Perhaps this idiotic mindset is why the dogs are considering taking him
The Boyd deal was 'absolutely garbage' you say?

I'll tell you something about the Footscray Football Club. They've only won one, lonely, solitary first grade premiership since they joined the competition in 1925. Tom Boyd was recruited for one reason and one reason only - to help the Doggies win their second premiership. In case you hadn't noticed, he's already done that at the ripe old age of 21. He was close to (if not outright) best on ground in the GF.

As a Collingwood fan, you would know how hard it is to win flags. Many Scraggers feared they would never see a flag in their lifetimes - as far as they are concerned Tom Boyd laid their fears to rest. Therefore, even if he spuds it up Tippett style for the next 5 years, his deal will be worth it.

Just the opinion of someone who doesn't enjoy laying the boot into 21 year olds just because they earn more money than me.
 
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The Boyd deal was 'absolutely garbage' you say?

I'll tell you something about the Footscray Football Club. They've only won one, lonely, solitary first grade premiership since they joined the competition in 1925. Tom Boyd was recruited for one reason and one reason only - to help the Doggies win their second premiership. In case you hadn't noticed, he's already done that at the ripe old age of 21. He was close to (if not outright) best on ground in the GF.

As a Collingwood fan, you would know how hard it is to win flags. Many Scraggers feared they would never see a flag in their lifetimes - as far as they are concerned Tom Boyd laid their fears to rest. Therefore, even if he spuds it up Tippett style for the next 5 years, his deal will be worth it.

Just the opinion of someone who doesn't enjoy laying the boot into 21 year olds just because they earn more money than me.
I just completely disagree with this mindset, mainly because the premise is so overly simplistic. It's just not the way the league works. Travis Cloke played a much much bigger role in us winning our premiership in 2010 and making a GF in 2011, it doesn't mean we just say now "yeah lets continue to pay his inflated contract because he helped us win a flag in 2010".

The main flaw in the viewpoint is that, the starting point for Boyd's performance needs to at the very least be a regular fixture in the best 22 players for the dogs. Your accountable for the contract you sign and there a certain expectation that you'll play at a certain level. Boyd hasn't even nearly done that to date and the suggestion that because he had 1 good game it somehow means he is worth millions of dollars is just dumb.

The other major flaw is that the Bulldogs don't have a bottomless pit of money. If there was no salary cap then sure, wouldn't matter what boyd is being paid. The issue is the previous 2 season and the next 4 seasons, he is taking $6 million that could be going elsewhere or spread around the talent the dogs have. To suggest it just doesn't matter how he performs because he took 8 marks and kicked 3 goals in a grand final is so moronic
 

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Hold on, your the one who tried to pass off that Boyd was out due to injury and his bar incident, and didn't acknowledge he actually played a third of the season in the 2's until i called you out on it. I never said Boyd wasn't injured, you just selectively chose to forget he played a large portion of the season in the 2's. please find where i said he wasn't injured.


Regarding Cordy, can't say i know alot about him. Didn't see him the back end of the season where he came in and didn't know much about him prior to selection.


It seems to me this has gotten to a state where your arguing separate issues, and not addressing my actual point, which is the Boyd deal is still garbage and 1 game doesn't change that. It seems your more trying to discredit other points ive made to avoid that one... Feel free to let me know how one game changes 2 years of being up and down between the 2's and ones, and how somehow Boyd's performances warrant his ridiculous contract.
It's hard to acknowledge an opinion of someone who clearly hasn't watched the team very closely at all. However on the overall issue of Boyd's performances warranting his contract, as said before he wasn't given the contract for what he would do as a 20 year old. He was signed on for the future. The fact that just weeks after turning 21 he dominated a Grandfinal leaves Dogs fans pretty optimistic about his future. And the issue that the Dogs might not be Premiers without him certainty adds to his value


please find where i said he wasn't injured .
He was dropped... he only played 11 games in the regular season. Thats hardly holding your spot in the best 22.
When you said he was dropped when he went off with a serious shoulder injury is what led me to believe you didn't know about his injury. If you did then I'm sorry, but you posted numerous times about him not being selected without mentioning his serious injury
 
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