What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? (Part 1 - cont in Part 2)

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I made a pretty clear point that you need to take into account the concessions given, you seem to be suggesting it's all or nothing in terms of this, it's not... oldmanshoutsatcloud.jpeg
Not at all.

What i am saying though is when clubs who have won flags off concessions that lasted the 1st decade have a go at other clubs. Its amusing.

At least work out how to post a pic if you want to pull that bullshit. Clap clap

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It was a flashback to 2014 and 2015 for me when we played them

In 2014 the Bulldogs had 19 free kicks to 4
In 2015 the Bulldogs had 25 free kicks to 11 (after being 17 - 2 up at one stage)

Ironically we won both games but I still have nightmares of the cheating umps from those 2 games.
Call me when one umpire pays 17-1 in one game.
 
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Not at all.

What i am saying though is when clubs who have won flags off concessions that lasted the 1st decade have a go at other clubs. Its amusing.

At least work out how to post a pic if you want to pull that bullshit. Clap clap

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And again, we are back to "if the concessions are comparable"

You do realise it's an internet joke, yeah? http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/filename-extensions

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Roughead was our only ruckman. Which meant Boyd had to play in the ruck the whole game after Roughead went off. And Boyd is not a good ruckman.

Ward is a gun, and nobody's saying he's not. But losing your only ruckman, against a team that has Mumford, is a big blow.
Roughead was getting destroyed by Mumford anyway. The game changed when Ward got injured and like the above post mentions when the game got tight Ward would have come into his own..
 

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Still given concessions to start.
Wether they were as much as us doesnt matter. You had more than your fellows at the time.

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We had more than our fellows at the time?

You are joking right?

We didnt get a free crack at offering $1m to guys like Gary Ablett thats for sure.

We also didnt get given what like 25 first round draft picks.

They arent even close to comparible. But I wouldnt expect someone who has only followed the game for 4 years to understand that.
 

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And again, we are back to "if the concessions are comparable"

You do realise it's an internet joke, yeah? http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/filename-extensions

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Not at all. Im saying that all the garbage about us, even by some clubs who had concessions at start up, is a joke considering we here nothing about when they did. Besides the Lions change of name that is.

That you cant post a pic? Yep its a joke alright.

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We had more than our fellows at the time?

You are joking right?

We didnt get a free crack at offering $1m to guys like Gary Ablett thats for sure.

We also didnt get given what like 25 first round draft picks.

They arent even close to comparible. But I wouldnt expect someone who has only followed the game for 4 years to understand that.
But you did get concessions to make you successful at start up yes? In a footy mad city to... Hmmmm double standards there.

5 years actually. Cant you count?

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Not at all. Im saying that all the garbage about us, even by some clubs who had concessions at start up, is a joke considering we here nothing about when they did. Besides the Lions change of name that is.

That you cant post a pic? Yep its a joke alright.

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Maybe go back to the boards from when they started up and you'll find discussion ;) there's a shitfight between crows and power fans from years ago I found with a very simple search...Brisbane cop it in the "lions vs hawks vs cats" arguments about their concessions

Sigh. How can I expect a discussion with someone who can't even click a link? "hurr durr, i dun care if it's a long running internet joke, n i dun care for ur proof, i'm right"
 

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Maybe go back to the boards from when they started up and you'll find discussion ;) there's a shitfight between crows and power fans from years ago I found with a very simple search...Brisbane cop it in the "lions vs hawks vs cats" arguments about their concessions

Sigh. How can I expect a discussion with someone who can't even click a link? "hurr durr, i dun care if it's a long running internet joke, n i dun care for ur proof, i'm right"
This guy seems to think a concession is a concession no matter what.

Heres a quick quiz for him.

Did we get extra salary cap?
Did we get to poach contracted players?
Did we get 20+ first round draft picks?
Did we get an extended playing list?

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Why the hell does location matter? Your club picked players from all around the country.

It is school holidays I guess..
 
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This guy seems to think a concession is a concession no matter what.

Heres a quick quiz for him.

Did we get extra salary cap?
Did we get to poach contracted players?
Did we get 20+ first round draft picks?
Did we get an extended playing list?

I can stop anytime you like General Giant
Would better stadium deals be considered a concession? What about being a tenant of the MCG and playing the grand final there? Obviously every flag is now tarnished because all concessions are equal
 

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Would better stadium deals be considered a concession? What about being a tenant of the MCG and playing the grand final there? Obviously every flag is now tarnished because all concessions are equal
What about the fact that they would've lost the first final if the AFL didnt give them a 'concession' of playing at a neutral ground!
 

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No I do, but he was there last season.

Point being what NEW top end talent have you got?

Whats going to be different from 2015 when you were a middle of the road team?

Merrett in (lets assume he was too young and inexperienced before to have the impact)

Ryder, Carlisle, Hibberd gone.

And half the squad having not played competitive football for a season.
We don't have new top end PROVEN talent yet, besides Merrett. We are hoping that players like McGrath, Parish, Francis, Fantasia, Laverde etc. get there. But they have a fair way to go still.

There will be a lot different compared to 2015. The obvious one is the end of the drug saga, which affected the players significantly.
All teams have injuries but ours were fairly significant in 2015 due to the amount to our engine room: Watson only played 12 games, Colyer 11, Hocking 5, Myers 2, Zaharakis 16 (looked to be carrying an injury in a fair few others too). Bellchambers was injured for over half the season too. For some reason we refused to play Giles, so we had no decent backup and were forced to play Daniher, Carlisle and Mckernan in the ruck.
Apart from that, we have young players from 2015 that will keep on improving: Merrett, Daniher, Fantasia, Laverde, Langford, Gleeson etc.
Then there are the new players that weren't on the list in 2015: Parish, Francis, Mcgrath, Tippa, Leuenberger, Hartley, Kelly, Stewart, Brown, Bird, Dea etc. Plenty of those players will be best 22 next season.

So even though we lost some players from 2015, our upside is still significant.
 

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Sigh. How can I expect a discussion with someone who can't even click a link? "hurr durr, i dun care if it's a long running internet joke, n i dun care for ur proof, i'm right"
Haha what proof you pathetic child?

Youve only shown that start up concessions were different for each club. No shit sherlock.

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This guy seems to think a concession is a concession no matter what.

Heres a quick quiz for him.

Did we get extra salary cap?
Did we get to poach contracted players?
Did we get 20+ first round draft picks?
Did we get an extended playing list?

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Why the hell does location matter? Your club picked players from all around the country.

It is school holidays I guess..
Yes because starting up in a frontier state is the same as a heartland state. Muppet .

Hmm what did port get

Port were given concession for 10 players, 4 uncontracted players from other clubs, 5 priority selections before round 1 and the first selection of 1997 Pre season draft.

Which yes is nowhere near us(though 2 totally different regions, players from t he SydneyAFL wpuldnt pf made it).
It is still something that set them up for a decade.

School? Havent been to school in 25 years.

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Would better stadium deals be considered a concession? What about being a tenant of the MCG and playing the grand final there? Obviously every flag is now tarnished because all concessions are equal
Yep i guess they all are.
An asterix should be on all as there are advantages everywhere.

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We had more than our fellows at the time?

You are joking right?

We didnt get a free crack at offering $1m to guys like Gary Ablett thats for sure.

We also didnt get given what like 25 first round draft picks.

They arent even close to comparible. But I wouldnt expect someone who has only followed the game for 4 years to understand that.
Port hid alot of SA players away and started with a pretty good team. If any new franchise got shafted it was Freo

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Haha what proof you pathetic child?

Youve only shown that start up concessions were different for each club. No shit sherlock.

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The proof where you made a stupid claim, where it just turned out you're an old man who doesn't get memes ;)

Yes, exactly. So a clubs supporter that has had concessions can comment on another club, since all concessions are different.

Yep i guess they all are.
An asterix should be on all as there are advantages everywhere.

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So all premierships are tainted?
 

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The proof where you made a stupid claim, where it just turned out you're an old man who doesn't get memes ;)

Yes, exactly. So a clubs supporter that has had concessions can comment on another club, since all concessions are different.


So all premierships are tainted?
Basically.. Carlton s=95 salary cap, North cheated Sydney to get Carey & Longmire, Brisbane had fitzroy players and draft picks, West Coast had Cousin and there whole team smoking meth, Sydney had LAFHA, Geelong had father son advantage, Hawks had Sam Mitchell & Luke Hodge who are thugs and Bulldogs got the bye weekend before finals....
 

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The proof where you made a stupid claim, where it just turned out you're an old man who doesn't get memes ;)

Yes, exactly. So a clubs supporter that has had concessions can comment on another club, since all concessions are different.


So all premierships are tainted?
No proof of a stupid claim yet.

If you want to go down that path of ours, if we are lucky and good enough to win one, being handed to us or tainted.

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No proof of a stupid claim yet.

If you want to go down that path of ours, if we are lucky and good enough to win one, being handed to us or tainted.

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Lol you still can't keep up... The proof was to do with you stupidly not understanding a meme, abe

Your second paragraph doesn't even appear to be a fully formed argument, seems to be a section missing for it to make sense.
 

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We don't have new top end PROVEN talent yet, besides Merrett. We are hoping that players like McGrath, Parish, Francis, Fantasia, Laverde etc. get there. But they have a fair way to go still.

There will be a lot different compared to 2015. The obvious one is the end of the drug saga, which affected the players significantly.
All teams have injuries but ours were fairly significant in 2015 due to the amount to our engine room: Watson only played 12 games, Colyer 11, Hocking 5, Myers 2, Zaharakis 16 (looked to be carrying an injury in a fair few others too). Bellchambers was injured for over half the season too. For some reason we refused to play Giles, so we had no decent backup and were forced to play Daniher, Carlisle and Mckernan in the ruck.
Apart from that, we have young players from 2015 that will keep on improving: Merrett, Daniher, Fantasia, Laverde, Langford, Gleeson etc.
Then there are the new players that weren't on the list in 2015: Parish, Francis, Mcgrath, Tippa, Leuenberger, Hartley, Kelly, Stewart, Brown, Bird, Dea etc. Plenty of those players will be best 22 next season.

So even though we lost some players from 2015, our upside is still significant.
Thats the thing though, every single club has youngsters they can tout like that.

From an outsiders perspective you just look daft making huge predictions about your youngsters before they've done anything. Every club's supporters do it.

Upside is significant, yes, but it is also with many other teams. Could probably make a case for 13-14 teams being 'better' than last season.
 

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Yes because starting up in a frontier state is the same as a heartland state. Muppet .

Hmm what did port get

Port were given concession for 10 players, 4 uncontracted players from other clubs, 5 priority selections before round 1 and the first selection of 1997 Pre season draft.

Which yes is nowhere near us(though 2 totally different regions, players from t he SydneyAFL wpuldnt pf made it).
It is still something that set them up for a decade.

School? Havent been to school in 25 years.

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YOUR LOCATION DOES NOT MATTER ONE BIT!
If you play in front of 1 or 1000000 people the game is the same.
So in summary what you're saying is that players play worse in non-footy states?

What a joke.

Port were given that for ONE DRAFT. Not like 5 or whatever you guys got.
Which you're still reaping the benefits of by continuously trading your surplus young talent for more first round picks.
 
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