What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? (Part 1 - cont in Part 2)

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Sydney are not (notorious) slow starters, that's an isolated incidence compounded by the Roos era attitude to NAB Cup. Since 2006 Sydney have never had to recover from a notable slow start, and only finished the H&A season strongly in 2010.
 

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1. I think Demetriou has been good in his role.
2. I think the MRP do an ok job given how complex and difficult the game is to adjudicate.
3. The game is a lot better off without the shirtfront.
4. The AFL should have waited for ASADA's findings and severely compromised itself in trying to jump the gun.
 

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Simply because WA and SA teams never get first shot at drafting the best local talent. So to keep some local interest the first two picks in WA goes to WC and Freo, the first two picks in SA to Adelaide and the fiflth down the road, and same with Vic.
Well go and finish last like anybody else would!

I couldn't see this working particularly well as there are only two teams in each of WA and SA, meaning that they would essentially split four top-fifteen picks between them each year. The two NSW teams and Queensland teams, on the other hand, would be utterly stuffed.
 

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Change all the rules to be more clear cut.

the umpire should not have to determine if Out Of Bounds was intentional.
Change the rule to once you take possession you cannot dispose of the ball or walk OOB.
on the full is a direct shot on goal. bounce out is indirect.
Spoiling, paddling, fumbling if you don't take possession or player is tackled forced out no prior opportunity is a throw in
 

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Judd stole the 04 brownlow of tredders though, tredders was clearly the best player in the comp that year
This is true.

The other ones that really should have gone elsewhere were Luke Darcy in 2000 (Woewoedin), Ablett in 2007 (Bartel) and 2008 (Cooney). No slight on those players who did win, just that others were better.
 

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Wasn't the Luke Darcy year 2002? From memory, West almost won in 2000.

Bartel was consistently outstanding from the start of 2007, as was Cooney. There may have been better players, but the winners certainly did enough. Judd was also in the top 4-5 favourites going in to the night. Judd 2010 is one of the only recent examples I can remember where one of the top couple favourites failed to win, and several people still saw that coming.
 

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Well go and finish last like anybody else would!

I couldn't see this working particularly well as there are only two teams in each of WA and SA, meaning that they would essentially split four top-fifteen picks between them each year. The two NSW teams and Queensland teams, on the other hand, would be utterly stuffed.
Yeah i know its unpopular, but it would be good to see local talent have more chance of playing in their home state. Dont forget the NSW and QLD teams get first pick of the best Jrs coming through their states at the moment through concessions and academys.
 

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Cooney stole his brownlow off Richo.
I don't think he did. Richo was outstanding that year and dragged a dreadfully shit team almost to a finals series, but he wasn't the best in the comp that year no matter how compelling and romantic it would have been if he'd actually won it.
 

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Agree. It's absolutely a TV event, and the location is completely irrelevant. They could have it in London for all it matters.
It matters when players from interstate sides who are playing in the GF have to fly to Melbourne twice in a week because the AFL has a sook if nobody from that team attends. Even when they know they have no chance of winning because they play in the wrong position.
 

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Interested to hear some of the unpopular opinions people have and why.

For me:
1. I like Andrew Demitriou. I believe he has done a good job developing the game's brand. I like his no nonsense attitude in interviews.
2. I believe the games rules should be reviewed and sometimes changed. Players get better, coaches develop new tactics and strategies and so the game changes. Having a good institution to review the state of the game as a spectacle is healthy.
3.Lance Franklin isn't in the top few players in the league. That's not to say he couldn't become the very best player in the AFL. He misses too many easy goals. Anyone who has played sport knows that a failure to reward effort is deflating. He needs to become more accurate. This goes for all forwards - Kurt Tippett, Nick Riewoldt and our Lindsay Thomas of course.
CAN'T REMEMBER IF I'VE BEEN ON HERE BEFORE , BUT MY UNPOPULAR OPINION IS OF PAVLICH, WHO IS A GOOD AFL PLAYER BUT HE IS NOT A MARQUIS PLAYER, WHEN IT COUNTS HE LETS THE TEAM DOWN, NOT ALWAYS BUT A LOT MORE THAN HE SHOULD , THERE IS NO EXCUSE "INJURED " "TIRED " " TOO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY" HE CHOKES SOMETIMES WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. CALL ME CRAZY DOCKERS BUT IT HAPPENS.
 

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Ablett, Watson, Swan, Judd, Ablett, Cooney, Bartel, Goodes, Cousins, Judd.. All deserving winners and they were surrounded by players who would've been equally deserving on the strength of their performances across the year.
Also all midfielders and high number of ball-winners. The only criteria umpires use to award votes. The Brownlow has been a joke ever since Wayne Carey didn't win it. It's the "best midfielder" award. No non-midfielder has won it since Tony Lockett.
 

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From the current NicNat thread:

There's a much higher proportion of non-whites who are begrudged by BigFooty posters for receiving praise.
There's no doubt that minority players are pumped up by the AFL. There's a perfectly valid reason behind it. They want more kids from other backgrounds playing AFL. Daw/Naitanui/Hunt etc are definitely overhyped for that deliberate reason. It's not racist to recognise that.

Naitanui gets double overhyped because he plays for a team that's followed by the majority of the population and all the media in his home state. He's gets a full back page in the local rag nearly every week.
 

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Also all midfielders and high number of ball-winners. The only criteria umpires use to award votes. The Brownlow has been a joke ever since Wayne Carey didn't win it. It's the "best midfielder" award. No non-midfielder has won it since Tony Lockett.
You'd be hard pressed to argue any of those players weren't having enormous impacts on the games they were playing in during those years, though.
 

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You'd be hard pressed to argue any of those players weren't having enormous impacts on the games they were playing in during those years, though.
Sure they had enormous impacts, but Wayne Carey was clearly the most influential player in the comp for 4-5 years and never won one. Not a single KPP has won a brownlow since Tony Lockett.

Awarding votes should somewhat take into account influence on the game rather than just possession counts.

E.G. If Cloke kicks 3 goals from contested marks in a low scoring game, he's undoubtedly had more influence than Steele Sidebottom who racked up 28 possessions as an outside mid. But which one do you think gets the brownlow votes?
 
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CAN'T REMEMBER IF I'VE BEEN ON HERE BEFORE , BUT MY UNPOPULAR OPINION IS OF PAVLICH, WHO IS A GOOD AFL PLAYER BUT HE IS NOT A MARQUIS PLAYER, WHEN IT COUNTS HE LETS THE TEAM DOWN, NOT ALWAYS BUT A LOT MORE THAN HE SHOULD , THERE IS NO EXCUSE "INJURED " "TIRED " " TOO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY" HE CHOKES SOMETIMES WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. CALL ME CRAZY DOCKERS BUT IT HAPPENS.
Not sure why ur capslock is broke but ok.

I agree, Pavlich has been a champion.... of Fremantle. Him being their best player for so long says much more about Fremantle than him. Don't get me wrong he is and has been a great player for Fremantle and too many people are quick to jump to the "he's underrated because he isn't playing in Melbourne" stance.
 
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