What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? (Part 1 - cont in Part 2)

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Goodes was a Ruckman? Really?
He was the All Australian ruckman the year he won the Brownlow.

Although he wasn't in the top 10 for hitouts, so he obviously couldn't have been the best ruckman of the season. As Dermott Brereton said at the time

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ke...ralian-selection/story-fnelctok-1226477419857
[They selected him because] they wanted a man who looks, in Bruce’s words, exotic.
Sorry, getting mixed up between threads.
 
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Adam Goodes set out to make himself a nicky winmar-esque moment. Saw the slight opening and took it
Think Red Symons called it Goodes' 'Pedestal Moment'. Rather apt.
It's not just the attempted Winmar moment, it's the subsequent whinging and 'we were here first' speeches that have tipped it over the edge.

Absolutely in favour of anything that advances the cause of the underprivileged, but get the feeling Goodes is just trying to make a hero out of himself. Speeches on ridding society of inequality and racism? Fine. His ongoing rant against the white man for the injustices his ancestors suffered? No thanks. Glad a few journalists have had the balls to criticise him for it.
 

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I actually think Buddy was the best player in 2008 by a fair way, with Ablett second. Cooney had a good year but was probably the most fortunate winner since 2000
The thing people don't get is there is 6 votes up for grabs in every game. Best on in a shitty game gets the same as an amazing performance in a top of the table clash.

Not saying the dog games were shitty, just that there was only a couple of them cooney and Franklin/GAJ were competing for votes.

Doesn't matter how much franklin/GAJ dominated their games by, Cooney stood out in enough bulldog games to take home the prize. Deserves the plaudits.
 

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CAN'T REMEMBER IF I'VE BEEN ON HERE BEFORE , BUT MY UNPOPULAR OPINION IS OF PAVLICH, WHO IS A GOOD AFL PLAYER BUT HE IS NOT A MARQUIS PLAYER, WHEN IT COUNTS HE LETS THE TEAM DOWN, NOT ALWAYS BUT A LOT MORE THAN HE SHOULD , THERE IS NO EXCUSE "INJURED " "TIRED " " TOO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY" HE CHOKES SOMETIMES WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. CALL ME CRAZY DOCKERS BUT IT HAPPENS.
That's great mate. Thanks.
 

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Serious question or am I missing something? If serious yeah, he rucked in 2003 but was playing as a mid by the time he won his second brownlow
Played ruck (won Brownlow) hurt his knee and Roos said he would never play ruck again. Played '04 at CHB, then midfield/forward (won Brownlow).

Adam Goodes set out to make himself a nicky winmar-esque moment. Saw the slight opening and took it
Why shouldn't he take it?
It's OK to racially abuse someone but not OK to be called out for it?
Unlike discredited intellectual lite weights like Andrew Bolt, Adam Goodes is merely stating the truth! His people were here first, they have been brutalised since day 1 and no amount of re-writing history is going to change that.
 

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Played ruck (won Brownlow) hurt his knee and Roos said he would never play ruck again. Played '04 at CHB, then midfield/forward (won Brownlow).



Why shouldn't he take it?
It's OK to racially abuse someone but not OK to be called out for it?
Unlike discredited intellectual lite weights like Andrew Bolt, Adam Goodes is merely stating the truth! His people were here first, they have been brutalised since day 1 and no amount of re-writing history is going to change that.
So why does he have to state the truth?
What's special about quoting the history books?

Calling out the girl and keeping up awareness that racism isn't okay - absolutely fine.
Spending the next year giving speeches on how poorly our indigenous people were treated years ago? Spell me.
 

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Spending the next year giving speeches on how poorly our indigenous people were treated years ago? Spell me.
From 1933 - 1962 the President of the Association for the Protection of Native Races was a man called AP Elkin which was a lot like having Hitler as President of the Association for the Protection of Jews.
He had enormous influence over government Indigenous policy but you won't read much about what he did because it is conveniently left out of many history books.
There are far too many Australians that simply do not know Indigenous history other than the one-sided nonsense they were taught at school or the rubbish they see in the news. What really happened and what is in many history books are poles apart.
If your family, your people were treated the same way as Indigenous Australians I am sure you too would be screaming from the rooftops.
 
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Played ruck (won Brownlow) hurt his knee and Roos said he would never play ruck again. Played '04 at CHB, then midfield/forward (won Brownlow).



Why shouldn't he take it?
It's OK to racially abuse someone but not OK to be called out for it?
Unlike discredited intellectual lite weights like Andrew Bolt, Adam Goodes is merely stating the truth! His people were here first, they have been brutalised since day 1 and no amount of re-writing history is going to change that.
Who is they exactly? Who caused the brutality? None of this generation. Half of this generation wouldnt even have a clue what went on back then.

Its as simple as respect. everyone deserves it, however you dont get respect for having coloured skin, being gay or being elderly. Im sick of the chip on the shoulder mentality that any " perceived minority" carries around with them.

Goodes carried on incorrectly that night, as romantic a story as it was for that incident to happen in indigenous round.
 

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From 1933 - 1962 the president of the President of the Association for the Protection of Native Races was a man called AP Elkin which was a lot like having Hitler as President of the Association for the Protection of Jews.
He had enormous influence over government Indigenous policy but you won't read much about what he did because it is conveniently left out of many history books.
There are far too many Australians that simply do not know Indigenous history other than the one-sided nonsense they were taught at school or the rubbish they see in the news. What really happened and what is in many history books are poles apart.
If your family, your people were treated the same way as Indigenous Australians I am sure you would too would be screaming from the rooftops.
Whats the solution then to end the pain and suffering? Its what i dont understand, how long do generations of today have to take the brunt of what happened back then, it has nothing to do with todays generation.
 

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Played ruck (won Brownlow) hurt his knee and Roos said he would never play ruck again. Played '04 at CHB, then midfield/forward (won Brownlow).



Why shouldn't he take it?
It's OK to racially abuse someone but not OK to be called out for it?
Unlike discredited intellectual lite weights like Andrew Bolt, Adam Goodes is merely stating the truth! His people were here first, they have been brutalised since day 1 and no amount of re-writing history is going to change that.
I don't think either Goodes or the girl behaved appropriately that night to be perfectly honest. The only people that were more culpable in that situation was Eddie McGuire, and he brought that upon himself three days later. Idiotic thing to do.

Just as the girl should've been aware of the insensitive and disrespectful manner of her actions, Goodes should have been more aware of his surroundings. It is not acceptable to humiliate a thirteen year old child in front of all of Australia, irrespective of what it is that brought it about. For what it's worth, most of the comments on Bigfooty in the aftermath were even more despicable. Team loyalties blinded people to the fact that underneath all this there was a thirteen year old child that made a mistake that'll probably haunt her for the rest of her life. To be labelled a 'slut' or a 'slag' by internet warriors on Bigfooty was as bad, if not worse in my books, not solely because of the content but also because those people behind their keyboards had the benefit of an opportunity to think rationally about what they were doing before they broadcast their opinions on the internet.

As for what Goodes has achieved as an athlete and as an ambassador in so many other roles, there is no denying that he has been absolutely magnificient. The romanticisation of his actions that night were disgusting though, although again he was deprived the opportunity that everyone on Bigfooty had (and Eddie McGuire) to calm their farm and make a rational, thought out decision. Don't hold anything against Goodes as a result because I'm sure he'd admit (he admitted?) what he did was a mistake, but I don't like how people are almost worshipping his actions.

Who is they exactly? Who caused the brutality? None of this generation. Half of this generation wouldnt even have a clue what went on back then.

Its as simple as respect. everyone deserves it, however you dont get respect for having coloured skin, being gay or being elderly. Im sick of the chip on the shoulder mentality that any " perceived minority" carries around with them.

Goodes carried on incorrectly that night, as romantic a story as it was for that incident to happen in indigenous round.
I agree very much with what you've said, and I didn't read the precursor to what brought this discussion about. That said, I don't think Adam would be proud of his actions that night, but he's more than entitled to make a mistake. God knows we all do.

EDIT: Had a quick read, you might be right about Adam setting out to make a statement but on the balance of probabilities I highly doubt it. Heritier Lamumba is much more likely to be guilty of something like that.
 

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Who is they exactly? Who caused the brutality? None of this generation. Half of this generation wouldnt even have a clue what went on back then.

Its as simple as respect. everyone deserves it, however you dont get respect for having coloured skin, being gay or being elderly. Im sick of the chip on the shoulder mentality that any " perceived minority" carries around with them.

Goodes carried on incorrectly that night, as romantic a story as it was for that incident to happen in indigenous round.
It suits your argument to claim that it is all romance and that Goodes acted inappropriately. That couldn't be further from the truth. It is AFL policy that racial vilification is not acceptable. Adam Goodes is completely within his rights to point someone out in the crowd and have them removed.
It does not matter that it was a 13 year old girl. It only matters to those who think Goodes did something wrong or 'carried on'. No doubt it was a harsh lesson for a young kid to learn, but again, that is not Adam Goodes' fault. If he wanted to 'carry on' he could have ramped up the pressure on the kid and her parents but he didn't, in fact he handled it very well.

FYI,

http://www.cifhs.com/ntrecords/nthcc/A452_1952_420_1.html

Institutionalised Indigenous kids were classified by how 'white' they were. Not just by parentage but by their actual skin colour.
Depending on how 'white' they were they would be shipped off to be turned into 'white' people.
Read the above link: among the NT Chief Protector of Aborigines complaints
[1] Sending half caste (whitish) kids South was making the local population more black.
[2] Even after they were sent South, they still came back not 'white'.
[3] They could save on transport costs by simply keeping them all where they were.
[4] They don't actually have anywhere for the males to stay, not to worry, he is sure the Church will do something, in fact keeping them here will make the Church pull their finger out faster.

If you look carefully you will see that of the kids listed, their mothers are all half caste and would have been put through the same 'process' to attempt to turn them 'white'. That is already 2 generations. This type of thing is documented to have happened from at least 1840 to 1960's. How many generations do you think that would have affected?

It was not one act of brutality. It was systematic government sanctioned brutality for generation after generation and AP Elkin took it to the extremes during his time in charge.
It is not the fault of this generation, however, this generation of Indigenous kids are not as far removed from what happened 100 years ago as you and I.
Think about it this way, nearly every child today is acutely aware of the significance of Anzac Day, that happened a 100 years ago but it still has a significant effect on how you and I live our lives today by the same token we as a society need to have a much better understanding of what happened to Indigenous AUstralians even if it was 100 years ago and we think it has nothing to do with us.
 
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EDIT: Had a quick read, you might be right about Adam setting out to make a statement but on the balance of probabilities I highly doubt it. Heritier Lamumba is much more likely to be guilty of something like that.
Sections of Australian society have a proclivity for racism. Calling out racism is NOT grand-standing, it's not reverse racism or any of the other nonsense that dimwits like Bolt would have you believe. Its just a good excuse for them to sprout their nonsense because they think that there is still a place in today's society for racism.
 
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