What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

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I'm not sure a 'forceful' leader is a good leader. Morrison was forceful. Putin is forceful. Trump was forceful.

All failed their people.





So which is it? Of course climate has fluctuated for a long term before humans existed, but there's little doubt we're having some impact upon the climate, and we're very rapidly burning through the finite resources we do have. It's not sustainable, even ignoring any climate related issues.



Renewables are the future. Coal et al are finite. We should be a world leader in renewable energy. For now, and the future.



That would be moving backwards.



Renewables are exactly the kind of high-skill manufacturing we could move towards, as opposed to more coal, and we can't compete on the international cheap labour market to manufacture common goods.



We would disagree on what we consider sensible though, so he'd do things you consider sensible, not necessarily reflective of the broader public given the most recent election.



You're upset that the Aussie media didn't simply give Morrison a free pass? Because the media are meant to be 'his own people'?

Should the media be affiliated with a political party?



People blamed him for his appalling handling of it. Staying on holiday? The "I don't hold a hose mate" argument? The "it's not a race" line? At every turn Morrison washed his hands of any responsibility for any kind of leadership.

He was an abject failure.



On this I'd agree. I think it's a bad line, but it is a straight line.



Yes, a country we need more than they need us, very sensible to actively try to piss them off. Most of the rocks we dig out of the ground get sold to them. A sensible approach would be to maintain a good, functional, relationship with China along with other countries. Dutton's 'yellow peril' line might appeal to a small subset of the population, but isn't a viable long-term trading strategy.

As best I can tell you want some kind of Dutton dictatorship instead of a consultative process that looks at what the people of Australia are demanding and voting for, given most of the things you propose were all voting issues that Morrison got soundly beaten on.

Morrison's term was a failure, he achieved very little and his magnum opus was going to be his religious discrimination bill that he couldn't even get across the line. His legacy is one of failure and ignorance. The LNP had a massive opportunity when they knifed Turnbull to redirect the party for the future with Bishop, couldn't handle it, balked at choosing Dutton and ended up with Morrison.

Now we've got Dutton and it's far from convincing that he'll make the necessary choices to bring the LNP in to the modern world.
Good coherent response.
 

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Your post was a diatribe of nonsensical rantings. Unfortunately facts and science dont care for culture wars.

You think Dutton is so great - look up how his police mates thought of him when he resigned. From reports they left dog food on his desk.
So you go back in time once again like your poor unfortunate Labor mates and "Reports?" you use nothing but identity politics, now we have his reputation as a cop do we?
And how many in depth interviews have you done with his past friends colleagues police and ex police or family,all those without an axe to grind,but.

The problem is with you who insult is you have no answer the other way, you are simply ignorant of any ability to put your own words to anything you believe.
You read my "rant" and I know how to do rant for sure!
People annoy the hell out of me, who have nothing to say.
Are you are incapable of any detail of what you really think, you have nothing to say!

A diatribe of nonsensical rantings?
Well have the courage to have a rant yourself and say what you think and mean, instead of a dumb arsed gutless bit of nasty.
Or maybe I hit the spot, makes you angry, must do, for you to waste your precious time on a diatribe. It lessens you.

Is that is all your good for, then get off the politics site if you have nothing to say about politics,just smart mouth garbage you throw at someone who says what they mean.

Rant?
Whatever foolish people with nothing to say call it, I say it how I believe it, what the F do you believe in and why, the only thing I 'd change in that "rant" is that Dutton hasn't yet pulled the LNP out of the insanity of zero emissions yet, they still aim for that idiotic number that is impossible to get to.

He must still have that fear like Morrison of the silent majority that want jobs and industry and don't believe we are killing off the planet,
(but might not vote for him)
Climate has changed now and in the past before and forever, but it is not a world destroyer, we are not the culprit and only nature determines what happens here.

Yet it makes dolts, like Bowen and Albanese bring up policies of destruction of base load as a major policy , its a policy belief of unreality, and panic and fear, and other nations build Coal fire power stations around the world, science does dispute the ppm into the atmosphere no science is one hundred percent.

Policy driven by fanatical political ideology, not facts, just propaganda threaten our very existence as a nation.
Whether you know it or not climate change has governed human evolution for the time humans were on earth and way way before!

ALP behaviour and the ABC and others leave me baffled as to what fools we have in parliament, and what fascist styled politicking does?

How vitriol and hatred seemed to be the ALP 's way about campaigning and lots fell for it.

They maybe a good Gov in the end , (BUT????) except for the idiocy of climate panic, they probably can't be a good government!

We have no action to take against nature. There is no such thing as action on climate, you can clean pollution and the earth and waters, and develop renewables could take centuries, we could use and start now developing nuclear clean power, it could be twenty years before that operates even that is earlier than this idiotic 2050 zero.

That is one thing Dutton needs to put his copper boot on, the mad rush to something (renewables) that does not do the job yet. May never!

Got anything? Or not a thing at all? And have some manners.
 

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So you go back in time once again like your poor unfortunate Labor mates and "Reports?" you use nothing but identity politics, now we have his reputation as a cop do we?
And how many in depth interviews have you done with his past friends colleagues police and ex police or family,all those without an axe to grind,but.

The problem is with you who insult is you have no answer the other way, you are simply ignorant of any ability to put your own words to anything you believe.
You read my "rant" and I know how to do rant for sure!
People annoy the hell out of me, who have nothing to say.
Are you are incapable of any detail of what you really think, you have nothing to say!

A diatribe of nonsensical rantings?
Well have the courage to have a rant yourself and say what you think and mean, instead of a dumb arsed gutless bit of nasty.
Or maybe I hit the spot, makes you angry, must do, for you to waste your precious time on a diatribe. It lessens you.

Is that is all your good for, then get off the politics site if you have nothing to say about politics,just smart mouth garbage you throw at someone who says what they mean.

Rant?
Whatever foolish people with nothing to say call it, I say it how I believe it, what the F do you believe in and why, the only thing I 'd change in that "rant" is that Dutton hasn't yet pulled the LNP out of the insanity of zero emissions yet, they still aim for that idiotic number that is impossible to get to.

He must still have that fear like Morrison of the silent majority that want jobs and industry and don't believe we are killing off the planet,
(but might not vote for him)
Climate has changed now and in the past before and forever, but it is not a world destroyer, we are not the culprit and only nature determines what happens here.

Yet it makes dolts, like Bowen and Albanese bring up policies of destruction of base load as a major policy , its a policy belief of unreality, and panic and fear, and other nations build Coal fire power stations around the world, science does dispute the ppm into the atmosphere no science is one hundred percent.

Policy driven by fanatical political ideology, not facts, just propaganda threaten our very existence as a nation.
Whether you know it or not climate change has governed human evolution for the time humans were on earth and way way before!

ALP behaviour and the ABC and others leave me baffled as to what fools we have in parliament, and what fascist styled politicking does?

How vitriol and hatred seemed to be the ALP 's way about campaigning and lots fell for it.

They maybe a good Gov in the end , (BUT????) except for the idiocy of climate panic, they probably can't be a good government!

We have no action to take against nature. There is no such thing as action on climate, you can clean pollution and the earth and waters, and develop renewables could take centuries, we could use and start now developing nuclear clean power, it could be twenty years before that operates even that is earlier than this idiotic 2050 zero.

That is one thing Dutton needs to put his copper boot on, the mad rush to something (renewables) that does not do the job yet. May never!

Got anything? Or not a thing at all? And have some manners.

So the whole world is wrong, except for you and Dutton?
 

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So you go back in time once again like your poor unfortunate Labor mates and "Reports?" you use nothing but identity politics, now we have his reputation as a cop do we?
And how many in depth interviews have you done with his past friends colleagues police and ex police or family,all those without an axe to grind,but.

The problem is with you who insult is you have no answer the other way, you are simply ignorant of any ability to put your own words to anything you believe.
You read my "rant" and I know how to do rant for sure!
People annoy the hell out of me, who have nothing to say.
Are you are incapable of any detail of what you really think, you have nothing to say!

A diatribe of nonsensical rantings?
Well have the courage to have a rant yourself and say what you think and mean, instead of a dumb arsed gutless bit of nasty.
Or maybe I hit the spot, makes you angry, must do, for you to waste your precious time on a diatribe. It lessens you.

Is that is all your good for, then get off the politics site if you have nothing to say about politics,just smart mouth garbage you throw at someone who says what they mean.

Rant?
Whatever foolish people with nothing to say call it, I say it how I believe it, what the F do you believe in and why, the only thing I 'd change in that "rant" is that Dutton hasn't yet pulled the LNP out of the insanity of zero emissions yet, they still aim for that idiotic number that is impossible to get to.

He must still have that fear like Morrison of the silent majority that want jobs and industry and don't believe we are killing off the planet,
(but might not vote for him)
Climate has changed now and in the past before and forever, but it is not a world destroyer, we are not the culprit and only nature determines what happens here.

Yet it makes dolts, like Bowen and Albanese bring up policies of destruction of base load as a major policy , its a policy belief of unreality, and panic and fear, and other nations build Coal fire power stations around the world, science does dispute the ppm into the atmosphere no science is one hundred percent.

Policy driven by fanatical political ideology, not facts, just propaganda threaten our very existence as a nation.
Whether you know it or not climate change has governed human evolution for the time humans were on earth and way way before!

ALP behaviour and the ABC and others leave me baffled as to what fools we have in parliament, and what fascist styled politicking does?

How vitriol and hatred seemed to be the ALP 's way about campaigning and lots fell for it.

They maybe a good Gov in the end , (BUT????) except for the idiocy of climate panic, they probably can't be a good government!

We have no action to take against nature. There is no such thing as action on climate, you can clean pollution and the earth and waters, and develop renewables could take centuries, we could use and start now developing nuclear clean power, it could be twenty years before that operates even that is earlier than this idiotic 2050 zero.

That is one thing Dutton needs to put his copper boot on, the mad rush to something (renewables) that does not do the job yet. May never!

Got anything? Or not a thing at all? And have some manners.
Best rant and nonsense ever, might not read again.
 

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I can't imagine someone as aggressive and combative as he is would ever have been capable of doing his job as a copper. He would've turned handbags at ten paces into a full blown riot without even trying.
He left the force in pretty inglorious circumstances. His colleagues weren't big fans apparently.....

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He was on stress leave, angling for a large lump sum Comp payout. Realised his prospects of promotion were minimal.

His opinion, of himself, wasn’t matched by colleagues. They left cans of Pal on his desk - highly inappropriate bullying, but clear what they thought of him.
They didn't leave cans of Pal Dog Food on his desk.
That is a disgraceful lie !
They put them in his locker.
 

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I’m scratching my head here.

I watched the election coverage, and people were having a go at the ABC commentators for being so obviously right wing orientated. They were said to be sad sacks.

Now I’m being told that the ABC commentators are a bunch of lefties.

Make your flipping mind up !!.

The truth may be in the middle, the ABC gives lot’s of differing options an airing.
Rambling remembrance of the defeated Right.
It's like watching a a kid paint his bedroom in his own s**t.
 

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So you go back in time once again like your poor unfortunate Labor mates and "Reports?" you use nothing but identity politics, now we have his reputation as a cop do we?
And how many in depth interviews have you done with his past friends colleagues police and ex police or family,all those without an axe to grind,but.

The problem is with you who insult is you have no answer the other way, you are simply ignorant of any ability to put your own words to anything you believe.
You read my "rant" and I know how to do rant for sure!
People annoy the hell out of me, who have nothing to say.
Are you are incapable of any detail of what you really think, you have nothing to say!

A diatribe of nonsensical rantings?
Well have the courage to have a rant yourself and say what you think and mean, instead of a dumb arsed gutless bit of nasty.
Or maybe I hit the spot, makes you angry, must do, for you to waste your precious time on a diatribe. It lessens you.

Is that is all your good for, then get off the politics site if you have nothing to say about politics,just smart mouth garbage you throw at someone who says what they mean.

Rant?
Whatever foolish people with nothing to say call it, I say it how I believe it, what the F do you believe in and why, the only thing I 'd change in that "rant" is that Dutton hasn't yet pulled the LNP out of the insanity of zero emissions yet, they still aim for that idiotic number that is impossible to get to.

He must still have that fear like Morrison of the silent majority that want jobs and industry and don't believe we are killing off the planet,
(but might not vote for him)
Climate has changed now and in the past before and forever, but it is not a world destroyer, we are not the culprit and only nature determines what happens here.

Yet it makes dolts, like Bowen and Albanese bring up policies of destruction of base load as a major policy , its a policy belief of unreality, and panic and fear, and other nations build Coal fire power stations around the world, science does dispute the ppm into the atmosphere no science is one hundred percent.

Policy driven by fanatical political ideology, not facts, just propaganda threaten our very existence as a nation.
Whether you know it or not climate change has governed human evolution for the time humans were on earth and way way before!

ALP behaviour and the ABC and others leave me baffled as to what fools we have in parliament, and what fascist styled politicking does?

How vitriol and hatred seemed to be the ALP 's way about campaigning and lots fell for it.

They maybe a good Gov in the end , (BUT????) except for the idiocy of climate panic, they probably can't be a good government!

We have no action to take against nature. There is no such thing as action on climate, you can clean pollution and the earth and waters, and develop renewables could take centuries, we could use and start now developing nuclear clean power, it could be twenty years before that operates even that is earlier than this idiotic 2050 zero.

That is one thing Dutton needs to put his copper boot on, the mad rush to something (renewables) that does not do the job yet. May never!

Got anything? Or not a thing at all? And have some manners.

I apologise. Your reasoning here is sound and somewhat brilliant. I am assuming you have some kind of PhD in energy policy?

Also can you provide your sources of how climate change is panic and propaganda? As a convert to your side, i want to take down these other sheep.
 

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I apologise. Your reasoning here is sound and somewhat brilliant. I am assuming you have some kind of PhD in energy policy?

Also can you provide your sources of how climate change is panic and propaganda? As a convert to your side, i want to take down these other sheep.
KAKA your a slippery fellow. and somewhat rude and I don't think you would be able to grasp how I think, because you have a streak
in you that could be a little nasty. Your smart comment above shows that.

The reason I believe that climate change is propaganda and is a panic ridden hysterical fad, is because the climate has been behaving warming and cooling since time began.
Nothing that is called new now, well, it has all happened before. Tim Flannery may predict more and more disaster and it still won't happen.

Catastrophic bushfires have happened for millions of years. , droughts have happened , floods have happened, its all a cycle, none of these things are anything new, but they are natural. I believe that.

I know humans weren't burning coal or using gas,thousands or millions of years ago
Yet this last week, some scientists found evidence of the biggest mass extinction they believe over 250 million years. They believe it happened because of very fast global weather and warming changes, that stuffed the place up. No coal fire power stations then???

My thought is that some of these climate warriors will use that finding, of theorised fast warming, to try and tell the world that now, we are facing the same pace.

I call that a very big fat scientific theory, that could be close or it could be a little off or it may not even be a reason for mass extinction, but the warriors will call it out as proof we're f****d NOW.
It could be a 1000 years or a million years for that, we are talking about how long took to actually happen, but they reckon the globe warmed, like in the last ice age melt same dog, brother /sister which ever.

Propaganda , well kaka, look at the last election, character assassination of Morrison US-Democrat like, from ABC too, and the green insane fascist almost screaming of the end because we burn coal and gas. That is political manipulation of Australians who do follow and believe in a habitual following with their politics , now ALP might be a good government, I have never been a Lib but I sure as hell am not an ALP person any more!

I am working class, retired, and I am no over educated prick with PhD's hanging out of my backside.
I read a lot and follow news from all over, s**t I even watch more than one AFL game on a weekend.

But reading books lots of them, and the international news and doco s' that is where i find and see what I think to myself is either bullshit, or if there is some cred to it?

I just see stuff, how I see it. Do you?

And I cannot believe the absolute crap coming out of the climate warriors the marches against extinction.

Extinction is nature, everything ever in existence goes extinct, but telling kids that s**t when it will never ever affect them unless they are brain bashed by Greta and fanatics or effing mad left parents, is a frigging crime.

Last point look who won the election, the f*****g climate won it

And bullshit and lies and really Morrison should have called climate panic for what it is "bullshit" but he chickened out.
And if we start losing jobs and money because frigging Bowen and Albo's 82% renewables does, what I think it will, and fail, then maybe we will stop having a party and get back to some reality. Bloody China is. India Japan all building coal power stations and using gas!

Your turn , say what you think , if you can't or won't don't send me s**t please mate.
 

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KAKA your a slippery fellow. and somewhat rude and I don't think you would be able to grasp how I think, because you have a streak
in you that could be a little nasty. Your smart comment above shows that.

The reason I believe that climate change is propaganda and is a panic ridden hysterical fad, is because the climate has been behaving warming and cooling since time began.
Nothing that is called new now, well, it has all happened before. Tim Flannery may predict more and more disaster and it still won't happen.

Catastrophic bushfires have happened for millions of years. , droughts have happened , floods have happened, its all a cycle, none of these things are anything new, but they are natural. I believe that.

I know humans weren't burning coal or using gas,thousands or millions of years ago
Yet this last week, some scientists found evidence of the biggest mass extinction they believe over 250 million years. They believe it happened because of very fast global weather and warming changes, that stuffed the place up. No coal fire power stations then???

My thought is that some of these climate warriors will use that finding, of theorised fast warming, to try and tell the world that now, we are facing the same pace.

I call that a very big fat scientific theory, that could be close or it could be a little off or it may not even be a reason for mass extinction, but the warriors will call it out as proof we're f****d NOW.
It could be a 1000 years or a million years for that, we are talking about how long took to actually happen, but they reckon the globe warmed, like in the last ice age melt same dog, brother /sister which ever.

Propaganda , well kaka, look at the last election, character assassination of Morrison US-Democrat like, from ABC too, and the green insane fascist almost screaming of the end because we burn coal and gas. That is political manipulation of Australians who do follow and believe in a habitual following with their politics , now ALP might be a good government, I have never been a Lib but I sure as hell am not an ALP person any more!

I am working class, retired, and I am no over educated prick with PhD's hanging out of my backside.
I read a lot and follow news from all over, s**t I even watch more than one AFL game on a weekend.

But reading books lots of them, and the international news and doco s' that is where i find and see what I think to myself is either bullshit, or if there is some cred to it?

I just see stuff, how I see it. Do you?

And I cannot believe the absolute crap coming out of the climate warriors the marches against extinction.

Extinction is nature, everything ever in existence goes extinct, but telling kids that s**t when it will never ever affect them unless they are brain bashed by Greta and fanatics or effing mad left parents, is a frigging crime.

Last point look who won the election, the f*****g climate won it

And bullshit and lies and really Morrison should have called climate panic for what it is "bullshit" but he chickened out.
And if we start losing jobs and money because frigging Bowen and Albo's 82% renewables does, what I think it will, and fail, then maybe we will stop having a party and get back to some reality. Bloody China is. India Japan all building coal power stations and using gas!

Your turn , say what you think , if you can't or won't don't send me s**t please mate.
I'm sending you some bananas pal.
 

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