What would it take for you to stop watching AFL?

RichLeMonde

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Seeing Chris Hemsworth and Matt Damon kiss ( on-game-screen ) and a Disney Jackpot explode in the stands spewing out free tickets for all the kiddies to the see new blockbuster " The Bourne Gay Ultimatum " starring you know two . Marvel-lous
So your favourite pasttime is watching muscly men in singlets and tiny shorts, who are oiled up, wrestle and pat each other on the arse, oscillating between extreme aggression and intimate bonding, but if two men kissed on a screen you'd lose your minds?
 

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ShadeyP

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So your favourite pasttime is watching muscly men in singlets and tiny shorts, who are oiled up, wrestle and pat each other on the arse, oscillating between extreme aggression and intimate bonding, but if two men kissed on a screen you'd lose your minds?
It was more a dig towards Gil selling the Marvel - Disney horse shit as a big part of the AFL future trying to lure kids to the game ... but yeah you are right .
 

BlakeyNoFlakey

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I can't imagine stopping watching the footy but if AFL continue to wreck the game with knee-jerk rule changes and changing the basic format of the game until it no longer resembles the game I love, then I'd probably stop watching it.
 

NoobPie

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This post deserves a response. It is classic doe-eyed nonsense that just assumes something is superior because it happens in europe

Not only is this comment generally the most ignorant comment on BF, it's wrong on so many levels.

Compare the AFL to the EPL for instance.

One has an uneven draw, the other has all teams playing each other twice, home and away.
Yep, this is correct. The uneven draw is rubbish


One has a wildcard system at the end to decide the champion, where an injury or one bad game could cost the top team the trophy. The other awards the trophy to the best team over 38 rounds.

It is not a "wildcard system" it is finals system that has pretty much been in place since the VFL split from the VFA in 1897

A finals system identifies the best team as the team that beats the other best teams at the "business end" of the season. A first past the post system like in most soccer leagues identifies the best team as the that team that accumulates the most points over the season.

You can make a case for either however I much prefer the finals system for football. Soccer lends itself to the latter due to it being a little bit more of a crapshoot given the low scoring.


One rewards teams for finishing bottom, you'd know all about that. The other relegates you for finishing in the bottom 3.
So fcking what? Both of the big US pro leagues also use a draft system. Due to the small densely populated countries it is dominant in, soccer has evolved a pro/rel system. Again, the assumption that one is objectively better than the other is nonsense

One sees the better teams picking up easy wins against the bottom teams because the bottom teams start playing for earlier draft picks, the other sees the bottom teams often presenting the biggest challenge to the other teams because the bottom teams are fighting for survival.
A very marginal benefit of having a non-equalised competition with pro-rel


One is a closed shop, every so often looking to admit plastic clubs into its league. The other allows promotion so if you are good enough, you will be promoted. Thus, one is a closed shop, the other is an open shop.
So fricken what? The Australian football has always operated as "closed shops" at the elite level. Again, the assumption that one is superior to the other is freaking nonsense

In terms of "plastic clubs" how the fck does having "open shops" matter? Both Chelsea and Man City had a burst of success purely based on being brought out by kleptocrats who used stolen wealth to buy success. This is more meritorious? Really?


One is a socialist system that looks to put a restriction on spendinqg, the other doesn't.
What a dimwitted comment. Calling an equalised sporting competition a "socialist system" is ridiculously superficial and actually just demonstrates a lack of understanding of what a "socialist system" actually is.

Again, the idea that unrestrained spending is more meritorious and objectively preferable than competitions that ensure competiting clubs / franchises operate from the same budget is nonsense.


One plays to half empty stadiums every week. The other is a full house every week.
The AFL
-has about the same average attendances as the EPL despite a much smaller population
-plays out of, on average, high quality stadia than the EPL

The reason that the EPL is played in (mostly) full stadiums is the privately owned soccer clubs:
-want to restrict supply so they can gouge more money from their supporters
-for the most part cannot afford to make investments in upgrading their stadia because they need hand over all their money to massively over paid players




One reaches a market of 3 million people, the other reaches a market of 3 billion people.
More doe-eyed nonsense. The EPL has nothing like a reach of 3 billion people. It would have a potential reach of 3 billion perhaps. The AFL would have a potential reach of several hundred million

According to this, the EPL has a cummulative global audience of 3 billion with a cumulative live audience of 1.35 billion (not clear whether this is based on average, reach or peaks figures)


The AFL, in Australia, has a cumulative audience of over 100 million based on averages of 9 3 hour games a weekend



Don't worry, the CONTRIVED AFL competition will never reach the dizzy heights of the Premier League.

Maybe if you were emotionally invested in a football team the same way you were invested in your AFL team, you'd understand the pressure of your team having to grind out a win week in week simply due to the fact there are no finals to fall back on, and thus, the tactics that go with it.

Sucks to be you.
No, it really sucks to be you

A cultural cringing fawning for a competition that you have disturb your circadian rythyms to follow and you think you are better off than people whose favourite sport is actually in the place and timezone they actually live?

I'm afraid the fact you favourite competition is bigger globally doesn't make you a bigger person, nor does it make your appendage bigger than it actually is
 

Bomberboyokay

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Steven Gerrard's perspective may be influenced by Liverpool being really good and Port Adelaide being not really good.

If, say, West Coast could essentially buy a final four finish every year there wouldn't be many Eagles fans finding cause to watch something else.
 
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Peel67skin

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This post deserves a response. It is classic doe-eyed nonsense that just assumes something is superior because it happens in europe



Yep, this is correct. The uneven draw is rubbish





It is not a "wildcard system" it is finals system that has pretty much been in place since the VFL split from the VFA in 1897

A finals system identifies the best team as the team that beats the other best teams at the "business end" of the season. A first past the post system like in most soccer leagues identifies the best team as the that team that accumulates the most points over the season.

You can make a case for either however I much prefer the finals system for football. Soccer lends itself to the latter due to it being a little bit more of a crapshoot given the low scoring.




So fcking what? Both of the big US pro leagues also use a draft system. Due to the small densely populated countries it is dominant in, soccer has evolved a pro/rel system. Again, the assumption that one is objectively better than the other is nonsense



A very marginal benefit of having a non-equalised competition with pro-rel




So fricken what? The Australian football has always operated as "closed shops" at the elite level. Again, the assumption that one is superior to the other is freaking nonsense

In terms of "plastic clubs" how the fck does having "open shops" matter? Both Chelsea and Man City had a burst of success purely based on being brought out by kleptocrats who used stolen wealth to buy success. This is more meritorious? Really?




What a dimwitted comment. Calling an equalised sporting competition a "socialist system" is ridiculously superficial and actually just demonstrates a lack of understanding of what a "socialist system" actually is.

Again, the idea that unrestrained spending is more meritorious and objectively preferable than competitions that ensure competiting clubs / franchises operate from the same budget is nonsense.




The AFL
-has about the same average attendances as the EPL despite a much smaller population
-plays out of, on average, high quality stadia than the EPL

The reason that the EPL is played in (mostly) full stadiums is the privately owned soccer clubs:
-want to restrict supply so they can gouge more money from their supporters
-for the most part cannot afford to make investments in upgrading their stadia because they need hand over all their money to massively over paid players






More doe-eyed nonsense. The EPL has nothing like a reach of 3 billion people. It would have a potential reach of 3 billion perhaps. The AFL would have a potential reach of several hundred million

According to this, the EPL has a cummulative global audience of 3 billion with a cumulative live audience of 1.35 billion (not clear whether this is based on average, reach or peaks figures)


The AFL, in Australia, has a cumulative audience of over 100 million based on averages of 9 3 hour games a weekend





No, it really sucks to be you

A cultural cringing fawning for a competition that you have disturb your circadian rythyms to follow and you think you are better off than people whose favourite sport is actually in the place and timezone they actually live?

I'm afraid the fact you favourite competition is bigger globally doesn't make you a bigger person, nor does it make your appendage bigger than it actually is
I think EPL is the most famous league for betting. That is the reason they call premier league.
 

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Peel67skin

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Perhaps, but plenty of us couldnt give a stuff about soccer. Personally i find it about as interesting as Ian Chappell reading you War and Peace
Plenty but can't cover the money they get from China, Japan, Korea just to broadcast their league games. EPL and CPL can afford everybody in Australia not watching their games on television or internet . As for AFL it died if you fanatics not watching it.
Exclusive vs Inclusive.
 
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Thetrader15

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Music and flames after a goal is kicked
9 points for a goal outside of 50m
A 20m goalsquare
More priority picks for any team (including mine)
 

Bomberboyokay

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Promotion/relegation will never happen in the AFL. Imagine Richmond or Collingwood being relegated, or if both of the WA teams got relegated. It will never, ever happen.
If relegation operated like soccer without salary cap it'd be North Melbourne and St Kilda going down over and over. The biggest clubs from the biggest cities almost never get relegated.
 

Peel67skin

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That would be one way of removing GC from the competition
I actually don't mind if they do have relegation zone. All new club in fact should start at division two. Players that are in division two can't simply move to division one club.
 

BigVic

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I stopped watching in 2008-10 when we were bad and the post-Judd/Cousins saga but regained interest in 2011 when the Eagles started to find our feet again.

Occasionally tuned into some games such as LeCras’ 12 goal haul and the Grand Finals during that era.

Would stop watching if we fold.
 

Peel67skin

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and I can see the AFLPA agreeing to that!
You need something like FA cup to balance it out. As long you got people watching the games it won't died. I don't see why AFLPA not agreeing to it, 4 year in division 2, at 23 years old they still have 7 years of division one footy in them. Less league games still get the chance to knock division one top 4 clubs in FA cup style competition.
 
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