what would we trade for paul chapman.

[Karlostj]

Umm, more than decimated. Your team relies on Lloyd... He tore the hamstring off the bone, and did it pretty severely. Cruel justice I think. Serves him right for diving like a show pony. Ironic that he did such a severe injury diving. I spoke to my physio at the start of the year... He has seen it all be4 and reckons that there is no way that Lloyd will be as good as he was. Therefore, your team is screwed. Enjoy the woopen spoon over the next 2-3 years.

Ah so you spoke to your physio. Well Lloyd might as well retire right now. By the sounds of it your physio knows what he is talking about.

Give up Lloyd!

Just in case you're interested in a second opinion on the matter, Quin (the fitness guy at EFC) just came out today and said that there is no doubt that Lloyd will come back and feel no ill effects....

However, I'm still going with your physio!

I'm glad Geelong won that pre-season GF, it should make missing out on sept a lot easier to handle....

 

[Longy413]

[*]That people have been "we dont need him", "not the type of player we need". RUBBISH. He is EXACTLY the type of player you need, someone who can play football.

If you are going to come onto another clubs board, the least you could do it make some sort of attempt to keep things in context.

Sheedy has stated we'll look at uncontracted players. Sheedy has stated we'll be looking to add young talent to our list.

Realistically, we are only any chance of adding one established player to our list. Now, the suggestion was that there are other types of players we should look at first, that would fill direct weaknesses. Sure Chapman would be an addition and would strengthen our side, but if you are going to go to the effort of getting a player from an another club, there are other types you'd look at first before a flanker.

For example, Paul Chapman becomes available, Essendon hunt him down and sign him. Agree to pick him up with the first pick in the PSD. Meanwhile Matt Maguire signals his intent to leave St Kilda. Who would be a better fit at Essendon, Maguire obviously, he fills a great need.

Hypothetical, unrealistic, most definately. But so is Chapman coming to Essendon. But as I said at the start, if we are going to chase a player from another club there are a huge list of players that would come before Chapman.

 

[stander]

Meanwhile Matt Maguire signals his intent to leave St Kilda. Who would be a better fit at Essendon, Maguire obviously, he fills a great need.quote]

Well picked up Lpngy 413- Maguire obviously, fills a great need, and we let Richards go who has played 10 straight for a premiership side, and both play the same position. I hope Zantuck doesn't nominate for the PSD!

 

[Longy413]

Well picked up Lpngy 413- Maguire obviously, fills a great need, and we let Richards go who has played 10 straight for a premiership side, and both play the same position. I hope Zantuck doesn't nominate for the PSD!

Ted Richards is a very ordinary footballer and isn't playing at CHB.

Can you name any of the top shelf forwards he's played on this season?
They do not play in the same position.

Ty Zantuck has beaten more quality forwards than Ted has, he was a better footballer, still is. Ty isn't on an AFL list because didn't have the mental application to do what it takes to survive at the top level. On football ability alone, he has it all over Richards.

Ted played the last 10 games of the season, he wanted to go because he wanted opportunities to play as a forward. Roos said he would give him that, we tried to talk him into staying. But I guess Lucas, Lloyd, Hird, Hille have Ted covered and he walked. We did very well to get a first round draft pick for him.

Please, get fair dinkum.

 

[scottydeewah]

Quote:
Dont be thinking that you are one or two good players away from success. You are about 9-10 players.

That's pure crap and utter baiting

Fair enough I wasnt trying to bait (read the posts by GFC people after me, thats baiting!). Maybe I should add that some of the players on your list right now could fill those positions. But seriously your team is not even 3-4 players short unless those players where out and out superstars. Okay so with JB, Scarlett, Cox and Judd you never know but I am talking just very good footballers. Okay so they may come out of the current crop of youngsters as they do look exciting but that is still a few years away.

If you are going to come onto another clubs board, the least you could do it make some sort of attempt to keep things in context.

Okay so you may not want to trade for him and what is asked of Geelong might make it a stupid trade but do not overvalue your list or devalue a good player.
- in other words, yes, dont make a stupid trade for him. I also said, like your coach (i am a genius) that you should go for youth.

You never know

Damn straight I dont...fine point

 

[stander]

Ted Richards is a very ordinary footballer and isn't playing at CHB.

Can you name any of the top shelf forwards he's played on this season?
They do not play in the same position.

Ty Zantuck has beaten more quality forwards than Ted has, he was a better footballer, still is. Ty isn't on an AFL list because didn't have the mental application to do what it takes to survive at the top level. On football ability alone, he has it all over Richards.

Ted played the last 10 games of the season, he wanted to go because he wanted opportunities to play as a forward. Roos said he would give him that, we tried to talk him into staying. But I guess Lucas, Lloyd, Hird, Hille have Ted covered and he walked. We did very well to get a first round draft pick for him.

Please, get fair dinkum.

Longy413 you have tunnel vision. They both play on the back line and Ted Richards would certainly be handy in front of Fletcher. Zantuck was useless at Essendon and still is. Richards only played the last 10 games because Sheedys preferred options were injured. Our back line, which is where both Maguire and Richards play is too reliant on Fletcher. We have failed in a succession plan for Fletcher and another tall backman. Lucas Lloyd Hille and Hird did not have Richards covered. Sheedy stuffs players up- Hille (and Laycock) are not mobile forwards and Hird was 50/50 for 2006-so there would have in fact been 2 spots for Ted Richards - throw in lloyds injury and we are bankrupt. Don't applaud Dempsey yet - he has a long way to go son.

 

[stander]

Ted Richards is a very ordinary footballer and isn't playing at CHB. Can you name any of the top shelf forwards he's played on this season? They do not play in the same position.

Please, get fair dinkum.

Longy413- you are losing credibility- I have just been reminded in the office that Ted Richards was moved on to some top shelf against Sydney in Rd 1 after quarter time after the top shelf had kicked 6. There is more if you want. Open your eyes a bit more.

 

[Longy413]

Longy413 you have tunnel vision. They both play on the back line and Ted Richards would certainly be handy in front of Fletcher..

Ted Richards left because he didn't want to play in the backline. He saw himself as a forward.

Zantuck was useless at Essendon

So was Ted.

Richards only played the last 10 games because Sheedys preferred options were injured..

Because he wasn't good enough.

We have failed in a succession plan for Fletcher and another tall backman.

We've drafted Bradley, Lee and Lucy in the last three drafts. Neagle is also playing as a tall defender in the VFL.

Both Bradley and Lee are better footballers than Ted. Lucy has three things Ted doesn't, pace, natural body strength, and better foot skills.

Sheedy stuffs players up- Hille (and Laycock) are not mobile forwards

Did you see Laycock play as an Under 18? Do you what roles he played as a developing player?

Don't applaud Dempsey yet - he has a long way to go son.

I didn't applaud Dempsey, in fact I didn't even mention his name. All I said is we did well to get a first round draft pick for Richards.

Longy413- you are losing credibility- I have just been reminded in the office that Ted Richards was moved on to some top shelf against Sydney in Rd 1 after quarter time after the top shelf had kicked 6. There is more if you want. Open your eyes a bit more.

I'm losing my credibility because I stated Ted doesn't play CHB and you've given me an example of where he played FB after Sydney's first choice FB was moved. And Bolton spent time on Lloyd as well, Ted wasn't there for three quarters. (NOTE - FB isn't CHB and we have a FB).

FB isn't CHB, and Richards isn't his clubs first choice in that position. Barry plays at FB for Sydney, LRT plays at CHB and Craig Bolton quite often takes the next tall. Ted picks up the third or fourth string forward or pinch hits up forward.

Doesn't the fact that Sydney choose to play two blokes that are lighter and shorter than Ted on bigger bodies forwards, ahead of Richards say something about his capabilities of playing in a key defense position?

 

[ant555]

Longy413- you are losing credibility- I have just been reminded in the office that Ted Richards was moved on to some top shelf against Sydney in Rd 1 after quarter time after the top shelf had kicked 6. There is more if you want. Open your eyes a bit more.

You keep losing credibility every time you mention Richards as a loss . He was and still is an average AFL player .
One would suspect you are the one with tunnel vision

 

[cobba]

How about Scott Lucas to Geelong? If they have say a pick in the top 8.

Heard this one on the radio, and to me, I would be tempted to take it. But only for a top 5 pick.

lucas isnt worth a rnd 1 pick in the super draft

 

[cobba]

Essendon: James Kelly,
Geelong: Sydney Rd 1 draft pick No.13 or so
Sydney: McVeigh

thats a good fair deal for all teams involved

 

[F/D]

thats a good fair deal for all teams involved

Thats a stupid trade.

Mark McVeigh isnt even worth a 1st rounder nor James Kelly.

 

[ant555]

Thats a stupid trade.

Mark McVeigh isnt even worth a 1st rounder nor James Kelly.

The whole thread is stupid , we wont be completing any big trades . The blokes we have that have trade value are players we need to keep.
Our only hope of getting a good player from an other club is to offer an uncontracted player a good deal of cash and grab him in the pre season draft depending on if we finish last which at this stage looks likely.

 

[cobba]

kelly was drafted with pick 17 and he has had a few yrs put into him now, he woulb be at least worth pick 15

 

[F/D]

The whole thread is stupid , we wont be completing any big trades . The blokes we have that have trade value are players we need to keep.
Our only hope of getting a good player from an other club is to offer an uncontracted player a good deal of cash and grab him in the pre season draft depending on if we finish last which at this stage looks likely.

Good post and I agree.

If you need anything, it's a Daniel Wells type of player and a CHB.

PS: DONT take Daniel Wells

 

[F/D]

kelly was drafted with pick 17 and he has had a few yrs put into him now, he woulb be at least worth pick 15

Not in this draft.

Plus he has gone backwards, although I rate him quite highly, he has some serious problems with his game.

 

[cobba]

i think he could really develop if he was given more time in the middle