What Would You Prefer?

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Yeah put pressure on them. That means if form warrants he plays and they don't. Simple as that. If you can't handle VFL how are you supposed to handle AFL? At least at coburg level these guys can play the key positions and don't have richardson to take the majority of the ball. in other words they can play their natural game.

Can you tell me what we gain from playing Richo, Brown and Kent as opposed to playing Richo, Brown and one of Cleve/Jack/Jay? IMO Nothing, but if we take the latter option we get gametime into a kid and that serves us better heading into 2008 than playing Kent. The way I see it Brown comes back Round 12 from then on we should play the kids in 3 week spurts giving them game time and having them get another taste of what is required at AFL level. Surely that is a better way to go than playing Kent just to teach the kids a lesson.

 

[beaver fever]

Can you tell me what we gain from playing Richo, Brown and Kent as opposed to playing Richo, Brown and one of Cleve/Jack/Jay? IMO Nothing, but if we take the latter option we get gametime into a kid and that serves us better heading into 2008 than playing Kent. The way I see it Brown comes back Round 12 from then on we should play the kids in 3 week spurts giving them game time and having them get another taste of what is required at AFL level. Surely that is a better way to go than playing Kent just to teach the kids a lesson.

Ideally we would like to have a younger guy in the side sure. However what purpose would it have to play one of them if they are out of form and maybe get 5 possessions. It's not so much teaching them a lesson, then making sure they are up to it. We need them to have an impact on the game, not just to make up the numbers.

 

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Thought I would bring this topic back to the top of the board as I think after last nights performance it warrants a bit more discussion. Last night showed how well we can play when we are up and running. However I still think there is that doubt in the back of peoples minds as to whether that sort of form could be continued through a whole year.

So now that we have had that first win just how many would you want to have for the rest of the season? Enough to get off the bottom and say finish 12th (6-7 wins) where we still end up with a top 5 kid or enough that the kids get a taste of winning but we get Pick 1 and maybe not necessarily a PP (4-5 wins) ?

 

[rfctigerarmy]

I want Richmond to get off the bottom of the ladder to start.

Win as many as possible. It has to be the culture we should striving for.

 

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Win As Many As Possible

 

[polakthetiger]

collingwood - tanked 05
essendon - tanked 06

professional my ass, its about assesing the situation and realising where the club is at and taking advantage

dont be stupid!

1 games doesnt shape your future but a pick 17 midfielder hopefully can

Spot on! It will be about 'giving the kids a go' I think Mickey and Sheeds both put it so well!!
By kids I don't mean just Jack and Hughes either, but more so players such as White, Moore and Hards who should be given a fair bit of game time so we can fully assess where they are at. Then we won't need to guess if they are up to or not.

We had this disc. a few weeks ago. Is that tanking, or taking an opportunity, because the season is done! New season = clean slate...a few wins in late Aug by the time you get to Feb the next year means shite!

 

[CoggaRules]

dudes, we beat the second last team. Lets not get ridiculous ok? Number 1 pick and the correct one, is the most important target for the future of this club.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has NFI. Its all about culture change. Our culture has been one of stupidly thinking mediocrity is ok, just so the nuff nuffs can sing the song a few times more. Those of us who understand what has to be done and must be done, without waivering from it, want to eventually sing the song on the last Saturday in Sept. ANything else is a failure.

 

[Wally07]

Wouldn't we just prefer to win as many as possible through the development of our kids. We should continually be giving more games to the kids in the next 10 weeks and if we are winning games then that is the best possible result.

We will get an early draft pick but trying to lose games for pick 17 is not on. Wasn't Alex Gilmour about pick 17?

The dropping of Edwards last night for Krak was a disgraceful decision. It said that we want to win as many games as possible by playing mature aged hacks instead of developing our kids. I just don't know what we are trying to achieve.

 

[CoggaRules]

Wouldn't we just prefer to win as many as possible through the development of our kids. We should continually be giving more games to the kids in the next 10 weeks and if we are winning games then that is the best possible result.

We will get an early draft pick but trying to lose games for pick 17 is not on. Wasn't Alex Gilmour about pick 17?

The dropping of Edwards last night for Krak was a disgraceful decision. It said that we want to win as many games as possible by playing mature aged hacks instead of developing our kids. I just don't know what we are trying to achieve.

relax man, winning last night was just that, winning one game. I can guarantee you that we will be put back in our box next week. Just watch.

 

[Wally07]

relax man, winning last night was just that, winning one game. I can guarantee you that we will be put back in our box next week. Just watch.

I am happy with winning. Just not with players who will not be their next year. I don't see the point.

 

[CoggaRules]

I am happy with winning. Just not with players who will not be their next year. I don't see the point.

Krak will be there next year and beyond. You see, as you yourself suggested, disgraceful desicion to pick Krak in front of Edwards. Now seeing as we really wanted to win this one, and seeing as we did, why would you think Krak was picked?
If you cant identify class then thats your problem. If to you, class is all about how many times you get it, as opposed to what happens when you get it, then again its your problem.
Footy is a simple game, its all about running the ball into the F50. Evey side does the same week in week out, thorughout the toil of the home and away season. Those that do it with minimum errors, end up in the 8, those that do it riddled with errors end up where we are. Once Spetember arrives those that made the least errors, make the 8. Then the new season begins, with those that dont make errors, then its all about who has the best defence to stop those who dont make errors, scoring.
When the purists suggest its like basketball,they are not to far wrong. Like basketball, its all about what errors you make when you have the ball. Every now and then, a defence might get the ball from you, but basically its up to you, to make the mistake, i.e. not to get it into the bucket. When the finals begin, its the same thing, we have all the sides that get it into the bucket more than the allso rans, and then its all about how good your defence is.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Anyone who thinks otherwise has NFI. Its all about culture change. Our culture has been one of stupidly thinking mediocrity is ok, just so the nuff nuffs can sing the song a few times more.

So your supporting a new culture. Thats really good. Problem is, its a losing culture. And dont say that people who think otherwise have NFI. Thats just a crappy persuasion technique.

 

[CoggaRules]

So your supporting a new culture. Thats really good. Problem is, its a losing culture. And dont say that people who think otherwise have NFI. Thats just a crappy persuasion technique.

LMAO.....sheesh. dude, old culture- win for the sake of a few verses of the song,but always talk about losing culture. New culture, - lose because i dont give a **** about singing the song, so we can begin to not talk about the losing culture when we begin to win and keep winning and singing the song, 15 or more times a year. Can your brain comprehend that culture?
It cant because you havent worked out that AFL footy is one of the only comps in the world where you get rewarded by winning the flag or coming last. You win the flag, you win the flag, you come last and you get the best young kid. Anythng in between means jack, because you get rewarded with less than the last team, and it lessens more as you go up the ladder. Now you can go around thinking like a dude that lives in the 50s and 60s that talk about how teams go out and should want to win. Of course they want to win, its not the issue, the issue is whether they can.
I prefer to see footy has become a big business and you do what you have to do to get to the top and if you cant, then you get into the best position to get you to the top, getting best "known" young player or even second best or third must be a plus, it cant be a negative can it?. The brains trust of every side knows their sides limitations, if they think they are a chance for the flag then they go for it, if they think they are chance for 12th only, and they go for 12th, then they should be sacked on the spot, because they are barinless pandering only to the brainless, and the club is always rattling tins, because of that brainlessness.

Hold on, maybe you are one of those types that believe the shit coaches spew in the media, when they say that they dont tank games. Like they dont tell the team to lose. Yeah, but there are other ways to "tank" games, to get as low as you can isnt there? Lets see, a few stars of the team need to have corrective surgery etc, gets you a Dale Thomas at Number 2, Whaddya you know huh? wow, and they didnt tank games. But going into finals, stars play with injections because they have to be there, wow huh? Get real dude, open your eyes and smell the shit.
How is that for a persuasive tequnique? LOL

 

[Crumden]

I'd prefer to see us come home with a wet sail and win 5 or 6 games, much like Hawthorn last year and the Bulldogs the year before. Both took that form into the next season.

If we win less than three more games we will get an extra pick at pick 18. Big deal! Some of you averate draft picks to buggery, especially in the second round. Two of our best players this week were off the rookie list.

Most of the season we have been competitive and now we have broken the seal, we should be able to chalk up a few more wins. If we can't win at least 4 or 5 more the season will go from being dissappointing but promising to being a season from hell. Our run home isn't too bad - the first half of the season was probably worse.

And Essendon tanking last season? Give me a break. They are a shit side propped up by a few stars, a couple of who were out injured or out of form last year, which exposed the rest for the imposters they are.

 

[lids2004roar]

We won 3 of our last 4 games in 2006 and did it "springboard" our 2007 season?

Momentum does not carry over into the next season. I think that answers your question.

 

[Crumden]

We won 3 of our last 4 games in 2006 and did it "springboard" our 2007 season?

Momentum does not carry over into the next season. I think that answers your question.

I didn't ask a question. And you didn't compare those last 4 rounds to how the whole season played out.