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Whateley leaves ABC for SEN

Discussion in 'Footy Fourth Estate' started by Cole Dammett, Jan 1, 2018.

Put it out there
  1. Pedantic

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    I have no interest in horse racing, except I suppose the Melbourne Cup each year but I couldn't even tell you which horse won last November.
     

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  2. Mr X

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    Silver sovereign, in a photo finish with Hoof Hearted
     
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  3. nobbyiscool

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    Unfortunately Tomorrow's Dogfood and Gethimtotheknackery finished a little further back.
     
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  4. Mr X

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  5. JimDocker

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    Gerard Whateley would love it !
     
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  6. TerryWallet

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    That just about sums up how uninteresting the subject of the thread actually is i suppose.
     
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  7. yaco55

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    Strangest thing is for someone who has an abiding love of horse-racing, Whateley rarely ventures into that turf - He speaks about the subject when it's relevant - It seems some don't want any sporting show to discuss talk about horse-racing full stop.
     
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  8. Benny78

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    Whateley was on ABC??
     
  9. Frank Gallagher

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    Horse racing is a sport, but like Greyhound racing it's a sport for animals, sure jockeys are courageous etc etc but generally the jockey with the fastest horse wins (unless i back it), so i don't really rate the jockey side of it as a sport, a bit like i don't get all gooey when some race car driver wins a race because he had the fastest car, the car was the real hero not the driver, give the ****** a 1973 cortina and see how he goes, same with horses and jockeys, fast horses make jockeys, jockeys don't make fast horses.
     
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  10. peternorth

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    I think u sum up the thoughts of a lot of people.

    Darts?
     
  11. Frank Gallagher

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    Drinking sport ;)
     

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  12. 010203

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  13. motorvinnie

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    Alistair nicholson is alright but he needs some help. I reckon someone like a tony leonard would be good for abc as there number one football caller and big al to take on the rest. ABC grandstand will have a few tricks up there sleave
     
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  14. Jascave

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    Does Gerard Whateley going from the ABC to SEN bring back memories of the late Harry Beitzel moving to 3AK from 3AW, where he'd be calling the football (and occasionally the cricket during the mid 1980s) since 1972 alongside Bill Jacobs?


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  15. nobbyiscool

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    The sudden growth of women's sport in Australia happened so quickly, I don't think it's possible to put it down to one thing - so I think you're all kind of right.

    - The creation of the WBBL happened in 2015, immediately increasing the professionalism of the competition.

    - Payne won the Melbourne Cup in 2015 - say what you want about horse racing (after being a fan previously, I've personally come to loathe it), that was a perfect storm given Payne's story marrying up with the Prince of Penzance story.

    - Even the first UFC pay-per-view in Melbourne was a big deal, with Ronda Rousey taking over Melbourne for a week, and an event headlined by 2 womens title fights attracting around 55k people, setting a UFC attendance record.

    - The Rugby 7s gold medal in 2016 was undoubtedly a major moment.

    - But you can't mention the rugby gold medal without also mentioning the Matildas, because I thought the Matildas were a bigger story than the 7s team. That quarter final against Brazil was one of those perfect storms - it was on a Saturday morning here on FTA when people aren't otherwise doing much and, from memory, the weather was shit that day too. Which left people in their lounge rooms, on social media, hearing about and then watching a lion-hearted performance against a host country that Australians understand to be a giant in football.

    - The Australian Netball League was created in 2016, getting a pretty good tv deal and immediately increasing the level of professionalism for netballers.

    - Then the AFLW commenced in 2017, which was another watershed because it's pressured other sports to further increase professionalism. (Although it clearly didn't invent womens sport at the AFL and the Melbourne media would have people believe!)
     
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  16. sportsmaniac89

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    Let’s not forget that the WNBL has been around since 1980 as well. It has suffered from the fact that basketball isn’t as highly regarded in business circles in Australia but it has been the shining light for a long time along with netball before others jumped on.
     
  17. nobbyiscool

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    I reckon the WNBL proof that, like most of the sports list above, womens sport still lives and dies with a mainstream talent to market the sport around in Australia. The support around womens sport just hasn't been around long enough to endure in periods without that superstar.

    I've never been much of a basketball fan, but I seem to remember it got a much better run in mainstream media when Lauren Jackson was playing here and when she was at her best. (She still would've been a bigger deal if she'd played in Sydney or Melbourne, such is the immaturity of media and casual sports fans when it comes to womens sport.)

    The same can be said with the Matildas/Sam Kerr, UFC/Ronda Rousey, horse racing/Michelle Payne, and AFLW/Daisy Pearce - although admittedly the AFLW is already less reliant on a Pearce (and to a lesser extent Moanna Hope) than it was a year ago, just as the WBBL is becoming less reliant on Elysse Perry and Meg Lanning than it was 1-2 years ago.
     
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  18. Moody Blue

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    Were not the Essendon players given an unknown substance so as to improve their performance over 2 years? To this day many are can only guess what was given to them, and what effect it would have on them and their kids. Worst example of uncontrolled and reckless abuse of drug abuse that has ever been seen. How many Russians, Germans, Americans, Australian Olympic athletes have died and continue to take drugs? Then we have the so called sports of cycling and weightlifting which are drug riddled and irrelevant as sports. You say take away gambling and the sport would crumble....well yes you are correct, but Aussies love a punt and will always have a bet. Take away the media money from sports, and let's see how AFL, Soccer, basketball cricket would last.
     
  19. Saintly Viewed

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    Beitzel and Jacobs as bad a commentary duo you could get.
    Dreadful.

    Though Bill Jacobs made it even worse, he'd drag down the best to being mediocre. And netizen wasn't the best.
    Jacobs might be the most dreadful creature that ever got work in a commentating box.
    Vile. Made my skin crawl he was that bad.

    Not a nice person either.
     
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  20. imadodgyumpire

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    I'm now intrigued by Bill Jacobs now?
     
  21. yaco55

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    In my experience, Bill Jacobs was in the best 3 radio callers I've heard - Beitzel was an average caller.
     
  22. Baltimore Jack

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    A very nasty piece of work
     
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    Malcolm Johnston on Kingstown Town, Melbourne Cup.
    Raymond Shane Dye on Veandercross, Caulfield Cup.

    If you are unfamiliar with those examples then you are unfamiliar with just how a jockey who has the fastest horse in the race had a significant career win taken off them through the fault of the jockey.

    Conversely;
    Raymond Shane Dye on Octagonal, Chipping Norton Stakes.
    Danny Beasley on Grand Armee, Queen Elizabeth Stakes.
    Darren Beadman on Freemason, Mercedes Classic.
    Are perfect examples of a jockey who's tactics in a race let their horse win - even though it was not in good form and there were faster horses in the race at that time.
     
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  24. Saintly Viewed

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    Agree
    Very valid points.
    Jockeys judgment certainly can be a deal breaker in a race
     
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    Why? Because he refused to be intimidated by Rex Hunt?