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Bunk Moreland

Bunk Moreland

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TROSSMAAN said:
his wrap is damning on essendon and the tribunal

i prefer this one

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He went through a complex 130 page judgement and broke it down into a 3 min summary for viewers. Beautifully done.

The substance was not shown to be TB4 because it was never adequately tested. Based on that, they barely looked at whether Dank actually took it to EFC and administered it to players.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
He went through a complex 130 page judgement and broke it down into a 3 min summary for viewers. Beautifully done.

The substance was not shown to be TB4 because it was never adequately tested. Based on that, they barely looked at whether Dank actually took it to EFC and administered it to players.
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There is a point where he coughs up a white spit ball then swallows it back down without breaking sentence. Impressive.
 

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Bunk Moreland said:
He went through a complex 130 page judgement and broke it down into a 3 min summary for viewers. Beautifully done.

The substance was not shown to be TB4 because it was never adequately tested. Based on that, they barely looked at whether Dank actually took it to EFC and administered it to players.
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What do you think the substance was?
 
TROSSMAAN said:
There is a point where he coughs up a white spit ball then swallows it back down without breaking sentence. Impressive.
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I noticed that hahah, irritated me and couldn't concentrate on what he was saying

But why does he have the full report even though the players haven't decided yet?
 
On all the evidence and reports being released they still come across as drug cheats to me. However, I can now see why the tribunal did not rule in favour of ASADA. If having proof that the TB4 ordered and delivered was actually TB4 is the level of evidence required it becomes near impossible for asada to win this case.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
He went through a complex 130 page judgement and broke it down into a 3 min summary for viewers. Beautifully done.

The substance was not shown to be TB4 because it was never adequately tested. Based on that, they barely looked at whether Dank actually took it to EFC and administered it to players.
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I'd be so happy that if I was a player that I'd been inject 50+ times with something that no-one, especially my own team, can identify... not.
 
Tazmania said:
I'd be so happy that if I was a player that I'd been inject 50+ times with something that no-one, especially my own team, can identify... not.
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But they can play and thats all that matters.hope any children they have are healthy
 

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Based on what Whatley said (and he has at least read the report) I think dank can still go for intent to use thymosin beta 4. Tribunal appeared satisfied that the intent was there, but not sure that the chemical obtained was in fact that, and also not sure what alavi gave dank even if alavi had tb4.
 
BlueWorld said:
Yes it's like the drug I received from the pharmacy might not have actually been that drug as I didn't send it off to get it tested that it actually was that drug, so yes great decision tribunal.
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I don't think you quite have your head around this. We're not talking about choosing Panodol or Nurofen and taking a pack off the shelf at Coles. These are substances that are produced via compounding. It's like me asking you to gather ingredients and make Panadol yourself, and then convince me it is actually Panadol, absolutely identical in a chemical sense. Without testing it.

Such dodgy supply chains were used and the substance was never tested properly post compounding. Nobody knows wtf it really was in its final chemical form.

ASADA didn't have the evidence to prove it was TB4 in a chemical sense, let alone if it went to Essendon and was given to players.

Comfortable satisfaction is a purposefully low burden of proof. There is no reasonable way these ridiculous cases could have been proven even at that level, nor should they even have been prosecuted. That's a question for the thoroughly moronic and incompetent Mr McDevitt.

Club sanctions were appropriate here and that's what happened.
 
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Rambis said:
On all the evidence and reports being released they still come across as drug cheats to me. However, I can now see why the tribunal did not rule in favour of ASADA. If having proof that the TB4 ordered and delivered was actually TB4 is the level of evidence required it becomes near impossible for asada to win this case.
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Especially when sworn statements from the Chinese supplier are not believed, and it looks like a 'beyond all reasonable doubt' standard has been applied. Without testing of the substance, the tribunal seemed to be 'comfortably satisfied beyond all reasonable doubt' that the chinese supplier is selling glucose or some other inert substance without realising it. Or they're alleging the chinese supplier committed fraud (without any proof, of course).
 
TheArchivist said:
Especially when sworn statements from the Chinese supplier are not believed, and it looks like a 'beyond all reasonable doubt' standard has been applied. Without testing of the substance, the tribunal seemed to be 'comfortably satisfied beyond all reasonable doubt' that the chinese supplier is selling glucose or some other inert substance without realising it. Or they're alleging the chinese supplier committed fraud (without any proof, of course).
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Or ingredients supplied but because compounded can't be sure alavi did the work properly, and as it appears no one (not just essendon but dank, charters or alavi) kept records it's all not able to be found comfortably satisfied.
 
I guess one has to ask what the people who supervised the Lance Armstrong regime are doing now? Are they still involved in the sport, are they in charge of another cycling team?
 

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Bunk Moreland said:
The first half of this video contains a wrap-up by the most accomplished journalist on this saga, by far.

As usual he doesn't favour either side, just tells it like it is. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

Wouldn't pay much attention to Robbo obviously.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/video/i...qcxm/AFL-360:-Why-ASADA's-Bombers-case-failed
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Stopped reading after the bolded sentence.

Bunk, if Whateley is the best journo on this, I'll swaer black and blue that Stephen Dank doped up Black Caviar.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
I don't think you quite have your head around this. We're not talking about choosing Panodol or Nurofen and taking a pack off the shelf at Coles. These are substances that are produced via compounding. It's like me asking you to gather ingredients and make Panadol yourself, and then convince me it is actually Panadol, absolutely identical in a chemical sense. Without testing it.

Such dodgy supply chains were used and the substance was never tested properly post compounding. Nobody knows wtf it really was in its final chemical form.

ASADA didn't have the evidence to prove it was TB4 in a chemical sense, let alone if it went to Essendon and was given to players.

Comfortable satisfaction is a purposefully low burden of proof. There is no reasonable way these ridiculous cases could have been proven even at that level, nor should they even have been prosecuted. That's a question for the thoroughly moronic and incompetent Mr McDevitt.

Club sanctions were appropriate here and that's what happened.
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Club sanctions for what? They were punished by the AFL for governance.

An Essendon football club employee set out to use a banned substance on the EFC players. This employee had a strong relationship with the head coach who he claims was a strong supporter of the program.

To source the performance enhancing drug they used criminals and dodgy supply chains from China with deliberately improper record keeping...why not go through the proper channels and the doctor??

It was never a player issue....always has been about the senior figures at Essendon in 2011-12 who embarked on a program to boost performance by using a drug program set up to beat the system by using crooks and avoiding the proper medical and regulatory checks.

The club is yet to be punished for the implementation of a performance enhancing drug program.
 
Rambis said:
On all the evidence and reports being released they still come across as drug cheats to me. However, I can now see why the tribunal did not rule in favour of ASADA. If having proof that the TB4 ordered and delivered was actually TB4 is the level of evidence required it becomes near impossible for asada to win this case.
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That's some catch
 
DapperJong said:
You missed an opportunity to reply with whatever you wanted.
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I am pretty sure you murdered 8 people last year and did a drive by after doing a drive off at Maccas , prove that you didn't.

On that basis ASADA will hound you to the end of the earth.
 
fabulousphil said:
I am pretty sure you murdered 8 people last year and did a drive by after doing a drive off at Maccas , prove that you didn't.

On that basis ASADA will hound you to the end of the earth.
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Yeah well you can't prove that I didn't didn't not do it and you can also f off.

Plus don't you care for my long term health? **** you
 

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