Analysis What's Actually wrong?

[aussieviking]

Bulldogs seem to have nailed the defence side of the game, consistently keeping sides to extremely low scores yet when they have the ball they run and spread like lightening.
I think a lot of it comes down to confidence (and skill). When you see the Bullies or GWS running in waves down the ground there always seems to be another player ready to take the next link in the chain. The players look like they want the ball, they want to take responsibility.
With our team at the moment you look upfield when we have possession in our back half and its like players are all running away or hiding, the last thing they want is to take responsibility for moving the ball on.
Fyfe was the guy that drove most of what was great about us early last year. Without him we don't have a champion/leader in the middle of the ground. Mundy is and should have been a 2IC to Fyfe.
Very jelly watching Melbourne at the moment, having a ruckman that takes marks all around the ground and lifts for the big moments. Thats another part of the puzzle of why we are shite. We have no decent ruck.

I agree developing or recruiting a good ruckman is a priority. I would love a ruckman that is physical around the packs , even Sandi doesn't play a physical game. We need a Max Gawn clone

 

[meima]

Bulldogs seem to have nailed the defence side of the game, consistently keeping sides to extremely low scores yet when they have the ball they run and spread like lightening.
I think a lot of it comes down to confidence (and skill). When you see the Bullies or GWS running in waves down the ground there always seems to be another player ready to take the next link in the chain. The players look like they want the ball, they want to take responsibility.
With our team at the moment you look upfield when we have possession in our back half and its like players are all running away or hiding, the last thing they want is to take responsibility for moving the ball on.
Fyfe was the guy that drove most of what was great about us early last year. Without him we don't have a champion/leader in the middle of the ground. Mundy is and should have been a 2IC to Fyfe.
Very jelly watching Melbourne at the moment, having a ruckman that takes marks all around the ground and lifts for the big moments. Thats another part of the puzzle of why we are shite. We have no decent ruck.

You nailed it, agree every part of it. Currently Freo players just don't want the ball , or they play the percentage game - kick it side way and back way or overuse the ball with hand due to lack of confident with their kicking skill.

 

[DMan 11]

Bulldogs seem to have nailed the defence side of the game, consistently keeping sides to extremely low scores yet when they have the ball they run and spread like lightening.
I think a lot of it comes down to confidence (and skill). When you see the Bullies or GWS running in waves down the ground there always seems to be another player ready to take the next link in the chain. The players look like they want the ball, .

Agree about this E - watching some of the wide frame shots last night in the dogs game and they were so eager to defend and block space that there was very few 1 on 1's available to north in their fwd 50, and if it did occur the dog cavalry arrived pretty quickly.
Also saw the numbers running in support in the fwd half too.
That 'ownership' they possess seems a direct effect of their belief in beverage and the game plan.
Now I write this it strikes me just how much our players are saying this year "we are trying to adapt" or "we are making improvements" etc in regards to our game plan, so they don't really feel at home with it yet - whereas the dogs players seem to really own theirs... And it shows

 

[Dirty_banchez]

The Crows/Bullfrogs have the best game plans to break presses.

 

[FreoMonocle]

The dogs spent a few years getting good draft picks, same as Melbourne. Lo and behold, they are contending well (it took coaching changes and a good shake up of the club as well, not talents alone).

While not all elite talents are the cream of the first round picks (Neale for example), they generally will be. We've struggled to put first round picks on the park, our skills are second rate as a consequence.

I'd love to see a comparison between freo and other teams of draft selections and games played these last few years, that lyon got us so close with the cattle at hand astonishes me.

 

[meima]

The Crows/Bullfrogs have the best game plans to break presses.

Counter attack , with less disposal but passing accuracy play important part.

 

[sherrif]

Counter attack , with less disposal but passing accuracy play important part.

Brad Hill (hopefully) and Harley Bennell will make a giant difference.

 

[Tazmania]

The bulldogs game plan the one RTB was aspiring too?

It was certainly a "fremantle" scoreline in the end and the commentators were praising the doggies ability to limit the scoring of the opposition whilst not being a high scoring side...even though last year that was how they criticized fremantle

Watching them last night their defence was fantastic and reminiscent of our best but rather than rely on a lot of stoppages to get possession they just forced a turnover with pressure to get the ball back and then take their time by passing it cleanly with skill to each other. They were changing the tempo at will allowing their players to rest and catch their breath.

I get the feeling that is what ross was hoping for us but the skill levels not there to pull it off.

 

[meima]

Brad Hill (hopefully) and Harley Bennell will make a giant difference.

Brad hill, hope to get him on the cheap not at a high price, dont mind to trade off sheriden, sutty plus suban as sweetener.

 

[Proud SJW]

...I'd love to see a comparison between freo and other teams of draft selections and games played these last few years, that lyon got us so close with the cattle at hand astonishes me.

I have - try Hawthorn. Think I posted something about it last year.
In the last few years they've actually put less games into their new draftees than we have. A couple have come good regardless (Sicily showing promise, Hartung, Hill and Ceglar a few I can think of off the top of my head).
Hawthorn over the last few years have put games into one or two which turn into promising future players, but by no means do they play youth any more than we do. In some years, far less.

When you win a premiership or three, no one notices that you don't play da yoof. In a couple of years, with the retirements of their older players (they have around 6 premiership players of note who are over 30), we'll really see how good their drafting has been.

 

[Proud SJW]

I get the feeling that is what ross was hoping for us but the skill levels not there to pull it off.

Bingo.

 

[malpaso]

Counter attack , with less disposal but passing accuracy play important part.

Pretty sure the Bulldogs lead the league in disposals (lots of handballs)
http://finalsiren.com/TeamStatsSummary.asp?SeasonID=2016&Sort=AverageDisposals Desc

 

[malpaso]

When you win a premiership or three, no one notices that you don't play da yoof. In a couple of years, with the retirements of their older players (they have around 6 premiership players of note who are over 30), we'll really see how good their drafting has been.

And they won't care one bit, they already have the cups to drink out of..

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

Brad Hill (hopefully) and Harley Bennell will make a giant difference.

But they will have to get rid of Danyle Pearce to make an even greater improvement.

 

[Ragtooth]

So in here lies a problem with our growth in the future, that will come as no surprise. Lack of recognized quality youth

Looking at the latest 22Under22, congratulations to Sheridan who gets into the extended team with only Neale, Walters and Fyfe getting into the 22under22 in years past. A handy list of players in previous 22Under22 and we can hope that Sheridan turns out just as good as those in the list. However, over the last 5 years, these are the only 4 players who have made it into the team from freo.

Number players listsed in 22Under22 from 2012-2015 + extended 2016 in bold:

• Ade (11): Talia, Walker, Sloane, Smith, Lever, Laird, Atkins, Crouch, Crouch, Cameron, McGovern
• Bris (1) Andrews
• Carl (3): Cripps, Docherty, Weitering
• Coll (10): Sidebottom, Beams, Langdon, Elliot, Howe, Witts, Grundy, Treloar, Maynard, Crisp,
• Ess (9): Heppell, Zaharakis, Hurley, Carlisle, Gleeson, Merrett, Parish, Daniher, Fantasia
• Fre (5): Fyfe, Walters, Neale, Benell, Sheridan
• Geel (4): Danger, Motlop, Kolodjashnij, McCarthy
• GC (11): Thompson, McKenzie, O’meara, Prestia, Nicholls, Kolodjashnij, May, Swallow, Lynch, Martin, Wright
• GWS (9): Davis, Ward, Cameron,, Shiel, Smith, Williams, Coniglio, Kelly, Whitfield
• Hawks (3): Breust, Gunston, Sicily
• Mel (4):, Hogan, Hunt, Viney, Kent, Petracca
• NM (3): Mullett, Ziebell, McDonald,
• Port (5): Trengrove, Wingard, Hombsch, Wines, Byrne-Jones
• Rich (5): Cotchin, Rance, Martin, Ellis, Vlastuin
• StK (4): Saad, Billings, Membry, Dustan
• Syd (4): Hannebery, Parker, Mills, Heeney
• WC (5): Darlin, Nic nat, Yeo, Redden, Duggan
• WB (6): Liberatore, Bontempelli, Stringer, Daniel, Hunter, Macrae

Personally from where Adelaide sit this year, they look like a force to be reckoned with! So many good young players, they have done it right! Thank god we got Bennell, fingers crossed. Collingwood should get really good in years’ time too. Worries for St Kilda and Brisbane with no-one or few named from their drafted players from 2012-2015. Although when a team doesn’t play well you’ll not likely get mentioned. Essendon should have a great future as well! Not surprised to see GWS and GC up there, although Adelaide has done really well to be right up there.

Freo sit in the middle with everyone else. Hopefully Blakely, Weller, Langdon, Balic all to get on there in time

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_Under_22_team
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-22/young-crows-dominate-preliminary-22under22-squad

 

[meima]

So in here lies a problem with our growth in the future, that will come as no surprise. Lack of recognized quality youth

Looking at the latest 22Under22, congratulations to Sheridan who gets into the extended team with only Neale, Walters and Fyfe getting into the 22under22 in years past. A handy list of players in previous 22Under22 and we can hope that Sheridan turns out just as good as those in the list. However, over the last 5 years, these are the only 4 players who have made it into the team from freo.

Number players listsed in 22Under22 from 2012-2015 + extended 2016 in bold:

• Ade (11): Talia, Walker, Sloane, Smith, Lever, Laird, Atkins, Crouch, Crouch, Cameron, McGovern
• Bris (1) Andrews
• Carl (3): Cripps, Docherty, Weitering
• Coll (10): Sidebottom, Beams, Langdon, Elliot, Howe, Witts, Grundy, Treloar, Maynard, Crisp,
• Ess (9): Heppell, Zaharakis, Hurley, Carlisle, Gleeson, Merrett, Parish, Daniher, Fantasia
• Fre (5): Fyfe, Walters, Neale, Benell, Sheridan
• Geel (4): Danger, Motlop, Kolodjashnij, McCarthy
• GC (11): Thompson, McKenzie, O’meara, Prestia, Nicholls, Kolodjashnij, May, Swallow, Lynch, Martin, Wright
• GWS (9): Davis, Ward, Cameron,, Shiel, Smith, Williams, Coniglio, Kelly, Whitfield
• Hawks (3): Breust, Gunston, Sicily
• Mel (4):, Hogan, Hunt, Viney, Kent, Petracca
• NM (3): Mullett, Ziebell, McDonald,
• Port (5): Trengrove, Wingard, Hombsch, Wines, Byrne-Jones
• Rich (5): Cotchin, Rance, Martin, Ellis, Vlastuin
• StK (4): Saad, Billings, Membry, Dustan
• Syd (4): Hannebery, Parker, Mills, Heeney
• WC (5): Darlin, Nic nat, Yeo, Redden, Duggan
• WB (6): Liberatore, Bontempelli, Stringer, Daniel, Hunter, Macrae

Personally from where Adelaide sit this year, they look like a force to be reckoned with! So many good young players, they have done it right! Thank god we got Bennell, fingers crossed. Collingwood should get really good in years’ time too. Worries for St Kilda and Brisbane with no-one or few named from their drafted players from 2012-2015. Although when a team doesn’t play well you’ll not likely get mentioned. Essendon should have a great future as well! Not surprised to see GWS and GC up there, although Adelaide has done really well to be right up there.

Freo sit in the middle with everyone else. Hopefully Blakely, Weller, Langdon, Balic all to get on there in time

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_Under_22_team
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-22/young-crows-dominate-preliminary-22under22-squad

Strage no tucker.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

So in here lies a problem with our growth in the future, that will come as no surprise. Lack of recognized quality youth

Looking at the latest 22Under22, congratulations to Sheridan who gets into the extended team with only Neale, Walters and Fyfe getting into the 22under22 in years past. A handy list of players in previous 22Under22 and we can hope that Sheridan turns out just as good as those in the list. However, over the last 5 years, these are the only 4 players who have made it into the team from freo.

Number players listsed in 22Under22 from 2012-2015 + extended 2016 in bold:

• Ade (11): Talia, Walker, Sloane, Smith, Lever, Laird, Atkins, Crouch, Crouch, Cameron, McGovern
• Bris (1) Andrews
• Carl (3): Cripps, Docherty, Weitering
• Coll (10): Sidebottom, Beams, Langdon, Elliot, Howe, Witts, Grundy, Treloar, Maynard, Crisp,
• Ess (9): Heppell, Zaharakis, Hurley, Carlisle, Gleeson, Merrett, Parish, Daniher, Fantasia
• Fre (5): Fyfe, Walters, Neale, Benell, Sheridan
• Geel (4): Danger, Motlop, Kolodjashnij, McCarthy
• GC (11): Thompson, McKenzie, O’meara, Prestia, Nicholls, Kolodjashnij, May, Swallow, Lynch, Martin, Wright
• GWS (9): Davis, Ward, Cameron,, Shiel, Smith, Williams, Coniglio, Kelly, Whitfield
• Hawks (3): Breust, Gunston, Sicily
• Mel (4):, Hogan, Hunt, Viney, Kent, Petracca
• NM (3): Mullett, Ziebell, McDonald,
• Port (5): Trengrove, Wingard, Hombsch, Wines, Byrne-Jones
• Rich (5): Cotchin, Rance, Martin, Ellis, Vlastuin
• StK (4): Saad, Billings, Membry, Dustan
• Syd (4): Hannebery, Parker, Mills, Heeney
• WC (5): Darlin, Nic nat, Yeo, Redden, Duggan
• WB (6): Liberatore, Bontempelli, Stringer, Daniel, Hunter, Macrae

Personally from where Adelaide sit this year, they look like a force to be reckoned with! So many good young players, they have done it right! Thank god we got Bennell, fingers crossed. Collingwood should get really good in years’ time too. Worries for St Kilda and Brisbane with no-one or few named from their drafted players from 2012-2015. Although when a team doesn’t play well you’ll not likely get mentioned. Essendon should have a great future as well! Not surprised to see GWS and GC up there, although Adelaide has done really well to be right up there.

Freo sit in the middle with everyone else. Hopefully Blakely, Weller, Langdon, Balic all to get on there in time

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_Under_22_team
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-22/young-crows-dominate-preliminary-22under22-squad

The big mitigator, of course, is not all the players were drafted by their particular club. No players want to be traded to Fremantle; we need to draft any real talent we have.

 

[wayToGo_]

Wouldn't pay too much attention to this. It's pretty biased most years. Some of those names on the list aren't deserving yet and there are plenty missing that are. I'm pretty happy with our list of U22 youngsters as a group.

 

[darkshines]

That list looks as though the Herald Sun put it together. How in earth could you rank Duggan, B Maynard and Gleeson ahead of Weller and Blakely? Gleeson ... wow

 

[Ragtooth]

Typically the final 22, such in years 2012-2015 are really strong and deserve to be there with the majority, not all, of players are guns.

Anyway an interesting list, make of it what you will. I'm impressed with Adelaide nonetheless

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Counter attack , with less disposal but passing accuracy play important part.

They run it out of defence. Adelaide play 4 wingers in order to achieve this.

 

[meima]

They run it out of defence. Adelaide play 4 wingers in order to achieve this.

Also your keyword they run it out. Freo player near to each other and stationery, cant handball or kick 15m -20m

 

[Fred Ziffel]

What's actually wrong ?

The game plan.

Playing with a five man forward line, when one of them is Mayne whose main focus is to chase people around and an old veteran who continues to be double tagged, is totally insane. The remaining three can hardly be described as guns, to make the strategy even worse.

When we add McCarthy and Bennell to Shane Yarran and not have Mayne, if we persist with the five man structure, It will be precisely the same outcome.

It is truly mind boggling.

 

[meima]

What's actually wrong ?

The game plan.

Playing with a five man forward line, when one of them is Mayne whose main focus is to chase people around and an old veteran who continues to be double tagged, is totally insane. The remaining three can hardly be described as guns, to make the strategy even worse.

When we add McCarthy and Bennell to Shane Yarran and not have Mayne, if we persist with the five man structure, It will be precisely the same outcome.

It is truly mind boggling.

I think a swing men approach will be good. If defence under siege swing the forward back. Johnson use to be that person but swing forward in 2013. We already got a ruck/forward in apeness, if we draft a mature ruck /defence, then they will be flexibility in game plan during game day. My ideal plan is ruckmen double up as key position player.

 

[malpaso]

Counter attack , with less disposal but passing accuracy play important part.

Not true. Bulldogs and Crows are the some of the highest disposal teams in the AFL, Bulldogs are 1st.