What's been your club's best 5 year period in history?

[Mr Meow]

This isn’t defensiveness, everyone is poking fun at you for failing to understand such a basic concept and hierarchy of greatness.

3peat > B2B > Single flag.
It’s that simple.

You can throw all your mental gymnastics into this thread for eternity about games won, percentage, AA’s, who played where, but it won’t change a thing.

Each year every club is playing for 1 thing, the premiership.

Winning 3 in a row is the pinnacle in the modern era, and Geelong couldn’t do it.

We're just paraphrasing the same points back at each other now. Quite amusing that you've tried to turn around my mocking of you into some exercise of your own amusement. Keep reaching.

"Mental gymnastics" = a series of facts that construct an argument you have been entirely ill equipped to refute, explain or contest at all. "LOL look at me ignoring you!" is about the best argument you came up with.

I've said everything I wanted to regarding both eras and am completely comfortable with my statements. It's not my job to make you comfortable with them. It is as pointless as spending an hour convincing an ostrich that he doesn't need to plonk his head in the sand. He obviously has a reason to do it, so let him at it. Maybe instead of eggs to bury, you need to believe that 3 soft flags against interstate teams at your home ground is the pinnacle of football greatness. It isn't, but you can hang onto it if you need to.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

More points for you to ignore - individual accolades from 5 year period:

2007-2011 Cats

-2 Brownlow Medals (2 different winners)
-3 League MVP's (1 different winner)
-3 Coaches Association Awards (1 different winner)
-0 Coleman Medals
-30 All Australian Selections (15 different winners)

2011-2015 Hawks

-1 Brownlow Medal (1 different winner)
-0 League MVP's
-0 Coaches Association Awards
-3 Coleman Medals (2 different winners)
-13 All Australian selections (8 different winners)

Remember not to reply or react, because that doesn't count as ignoring.

How many jabs from a Dean Robinson-Stephen Dank supplement regime in each of those eras?

 

[Mr Meow]

How many jabs from a Dean Robinson-Stephen Dank supplement regime in each of those eras?

119, otherwise known as a "Full Hinkley".

I am grateful the Cats didn't play 3 pathetic non-Vic grand final chokers such as Port, so that it wouldn't diminish the accomplishment. That was the worst grand final team I've seen in my lifetime, to such a degree I question whether 2007 should even count. Training run.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We're just paraphrasing the same points back at each other now. Quite amusing that you've tried to turn around my mocking of you into some exercise of your own amusement. Keep reaching.

"Mental gymnastics" = a series of facts that construct an argument you have been entirely ill equipped to refute, explain or contest at all. "LOL look at me ignoring you!" is about the best argument you came up with.

I've said everything I wanted to regarding both eras and am completely comfortable with my statements. It's not my job to make you comfortable with them. It is as pointless as spending an hour convincing an ostrich that he doesn't need to plonk his head in the sand. He obviously has a reason to do it, so let him at it. Maybe instead of eggs to bury, you need to believe that 3 soft flags against interstate teams at your home ground is the pinnacle of football greatness. It isn't, but you can hang onto it if you need to.

Yes, 3 straight flags from 4 GF’s is better than anything Geelong have done.

And we did it with 1 coach too, not 2.

Also didn’t need the AA selectors gifting spots to our players, or total wins, percentage or anything else to fall back on to achieve it. Just an onfield team that was driven, ruthless and ultimately successful.

In fact Hawthorn even lost the best forward of this generation and kept rolling on.

 

[BF Tiger]

Geelong fans: Hawthorn won against interstate sides and at their home ground.

2009 - St Kilda finish top of the ladder, 2 games and nearly 30% clear of second placed Geelong. They played one game all season at the MCG before being forced to play their “home” finals at the MCG against Collingwood (14 H&A MCG games), Western Bulldogs (3) and Geelong (5).

So in reality in two of the three flag winning seasons Geelong had a massive HGA against their GF opponent.

“BuT wE HaD tO tRaVeL uP dUh HiGhWaY”

 

[AFDogs]

2016-2021.

 

[Tall poppy Syndrome]

If you are a St.George fan in the NRL you have two equally as good.

1956
1957
1958
1959
1960

and/or

1961
1962
1963
1964
1965

They also won 1966

The great thing about that is you can also start the 5 year period anytime from starting 1957 through to starting 1962, giving you another 5 x 5 year sweeps and a grand total of 7 overall.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Yeah, I didn’t want to go down the “Vics claim VFL flags so….” route.

"What's been your club's best 5 year period in history?"

Said nothing about VFL!

 

[Madas]

The 5 years before we existed because

a) there were no expectations

b) many of us were WC ( WA) supporters and they were on fire

 

[GerryLewis]

1990-94

2 flags, 1 GF, 1 prelim
first era of club contention
88-2-34

1992-96, 2003-07 & 2015-19 each have comparable win loss. 2011-15 a little further back.

That era of West Coast was unbelievable. 3/4s of that team would make your greatest ever selection. Absolute powerhouse.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yes, 3 straight flags from 4 GF’s is better than anything Geelong have done.

And we did it with 1 coach too, not 2.

Also didn’t need the AA selectors gifting spots to our players, or total wins, percentage or anything else to fall back on to achieve it. Just an onfield team that was driven, ruthless and ultimately successful.

In fact Hawthorn even lost the best forward of this generation and kept rolling on.

Well it looks like we're both in a perfect situation of enjoying our lot perfectly as it was.

You, with 3 soft Port 2007 style kills in a row (except all at your home ground). Me, with Geelong's double redemption (2009, 2011) against Victorian teams that had incredible seasons, away from our home ground, with more total wins, degree of difficulty and accolades (seriously that AA discrepancy is actually incredible, Hawthorn did really well with a relative lack of star players...I love the saltiness of your "gifting" defence on this one).

Geelong not only lost the best midfielder of this generation, but changed captains and coaches, and still beat a defending premier that was 22-2 and 160 odd % heading into the last game (on their home ground). Pretty dynastic stuff. Anyway, your boys got to beat a worse Ross Lyon team, the start of Longmire's grand final choking Swans run and a pretty terrible Worsfold Eagles team - all at the place you call home, a ground they struggled at. Which would be like me going back to grade 2 and nailing my basic timetables. Still feels damn good to win I bet. We had the same in 2007.

I would still enjoy a 5 year run of winning finals against interstate teams at KP, and likely try to overrate its accomplishment like you are now. It's been a while since Hawthorn actually had to win a grand final without a genuine home ground advantage though, so I don't blame you for taking that advantage for granted.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Well it looks like we're both in a perfect situation of enjoying our lot perfectly as it was.

You, with 3 soft Port 2007 style kills in a row (except all at your home ground). Me, with Geelong's double redemption (2009, 2011) against Victorian teams that had incredible seasons, away from our home ground, with more total wins, degree of difficulty and accolades (seriously that AA discrepancy is actually incredible, Hawthorn did really well with a relative lack of star players...I love the saltiness of your "gifting" defence on this one).

Geelong not only lost the best midfielder of this generation, but changed captains and coaches, and still beat a defending premier that was 22-2 and 160 odd % heading into the last game (on their home ground). Pretty dynastic stuff. Anyway, your boys got to beat a worse Ross Lyon team, the start of Longmire's grand final choking Swans run and a pretty terrible Worsfold Eagles team - all at the place you call home, a ground they struggled at. Which would be like me going back to grade 2 and nailing my basic timetables. Still feels damn good to win I bet. We had the same in 2007.

I would still enjoy a 5 year run of winning finals against interstate teams at KP, and likely try to overrate its accomplishment like you are now. It's been a while since Hawthorn actually had to win a grand final without a genuine home ground advantage though, so I don't blame you for taking that advantage for granted.

The amount of detail you go to in an attempt to fall back on something, anything, other than flags won in succession, honestly just translates as elite copium for Geelong’s failure to back it up.

Keep digging if you want.

 

[Mr Meow]

The amount of detail you go to in an attempt to fall back on something, anything, other than flags won in succession, honestly just translates as elite copium for Geelong’s failure to back it up.

Keep digging if you want.

I'd already finished (with exactly zero points refuted - your best reply was "LOL look at me ignoring YOU!"), although dragging "elite copium" out of you is a suitably cringeworthy note for this exchange to finish on.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I'd already finished (with exactly zero points refuted - your best reply was "LOL look at me ignoring YOU!"), although dragging "elite copium" out of you is a suitably cringeworthy note for this exchange to finish on.

No back to backs for you!

 

[Mr Meow]

No back to backs for you!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Soft flags lol. Could only be a Cats or Pies supporter coming up with that, and then only about one of each Mr Meow or Fadge. You have to outperform every team in the competition to win any given flag.

It works out the Cats didn't do it quite as well as the Hawks, so Meow needs to conjure the competition was somehow stronger during a period where it was demonstrably weaker & easier to win - fewer teams, & less teams with fully funded footy departments.

And let's never forget, Hawks GF opponents actually performed better in their respective finals series than what the Cats GF opponents did.

 

[Mr Meow]

Soft flags lol. Could only be a Cats or Pies supporter coming up with that, and then only about one of each Mr Meow or Fadge. You have to outperform every team in the competition to win any given flag.

It works out the Cats didn't do it quite as well as the Hawks, so Meow needs to conjure the competition was somehow stronger during a period where it was demonstrably weaker & easier to win - fewer teams, & less teams with fully funded footy departments.

And let's never forget, Hawks GF opponents actually performed better in their respective finals series than what the Cats GF opponents did.

Well what a convenient stance from a supporter of a team who got two of the softest grand final teams this century, then won a Covid cup to at least add some degree of difficulty on there.

This is where you run through how mighty the GWS, Power, Crows, Cats, Lions teams of the 2017-2020 era were. And how difficult it actually was to face most of those sides at your home ground 2017-2019. The year Richmond had to actually play Melbourne based teams in finals (2018), they fumbled it.

The 22-3 St Kilda and Collingwood teams Geelong beat on GF day (away from KP), were actually the strongest runner ups of the AFL era by basically every measure. They also made the GF the year before or after, so weren't flash in the pans like the soft interstate teams Richmond beat up on the G in 2017 and 2019 (neither have even made a GF since).

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Well what a convenient stance from a supporter of a team who got two of the softest grand final teams this century, then won a Covid cup to at least add some degree of difficulty on there.

This is where you run through how mighty the GWS, Power, Crows, Cats, Lions teams of the 2017-2020 era were. And how difficult it actually was to face most of those sides at your home ground 2017-2019. The year Richmond had to actually play Melbourne based teams in finals (2018), they fumbled it.

The 22-3 St Kilda and Collingwood teams Geelong beat on GF day (away from KP), were actually the strongest runner ups of the AFL era by basically every measure. They also made the GF the year before or after, so weren't flash in the pans like the soft interstate teams Richmond beat up on the G in 2017 and 2019 (neither have even made a GF since).

No they weren't. By the measure that matters most come GF day, they were amongst the weakest GF teams this century. That measure is how well they performed in their preceding finals.

You win the GF you have beaten every team. You have outperformed the best performed teams of that year. And if they didn't perform as well in surrounding years then they beat the teams who did in order to make a GF. Absolutely hogwash cubed by you.

 

[Mr Meow]

No they weren't. By the measure that matters most come GF day, they were amongst the weakest GF teams this century. That measure is how well they performed in their preceding finals.

You win the GF you have beaten every team. You have outperformed the best performed teams of that year. And if they didn't perform as well in surrounding years then they beat the teams who did in order to make a GF. Absolutely hogwash cubed by you.

Keep reaching, keep failing.

Your most hilarious posts concern how bad those 22-2 St Kilda and Collingwood teams were heading into grand final day. And how much tougher it was for MCG tenants to face off against soft, non-Vic chokers in Melbourne.

There is no way you can explain away sides winning 92% of their games heading into GF day, with a % over 150, as somehow being inferior to sides like the 2013 Dockers or 2017 Crows. That's before even getting to the extreme home ground advantage on GF day that the MCG teams had.

 

[Fadge]

Keep reaching, keep failing.

Your most hilarious posts concern how bad those 22-2 St Kilda and Collingwood teams were heading into grand final day. And how much tougher it was for MCG tenants to face off against soft, non-Vic chokers in Melbourne.

There is no way you can explain away sides winning 92% of their games heading into GF day, with a % over 150, as somehow being inferior to sides like the 2013 Dockers or 2017 Crows. That's before even getting to the extreme home ground advantage on GF day that the MCG teams had.

Pies percentage in 2011 was reduced from 181% to 167% courtesy of a 15 goal loss in a round 23 dead rubber after we'd secured top spot.

But we were only an 'average' finals side because we'd only beaten West Coast by 20 points (whilst maintaining a comfortable margin all game) and a Hawthorn team - who were about to play in the following 4 Grand Finals, winning 3 of them - by less than a kick.

 

[Mr Meow]

Pies percentage in 2011 was reduced from ~180% to ~160% courtesy of a 15 goal loss in a round 23 dead rubber after we'd secured top spot.

But we were only an 'average' finals side because we'd only beaten West Coast by 20 points (whilst maintaining a comfortable margin all game) and a Hawthorn team - who were about to play in the following 4 Grand Finals, winning 3 of them - by less than a kick.

Nothing will top that for degree of difficulty. Facing a rampant MCG tenant at their home ground, who were defending premiers on an absolute tear (how many of the last 40 games would they have won?). Just a shame it was all ruled out by a close prelim against another MCG tenant about to start a dynasty though, in MR's warped world. Unlike the 18-5-1 Dockers of 2013, who elevated themselves courtesy of a 4 goal prelim win with a genuine home advantage. Who would then go to a ground they had played at twice all year (1 win, 1 loss) for the GF. The degree of difficulty for the latter situation was so much higher for Hawthorn, much like Richmond in 2019 etc.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Fadge & Meow stinking up yet another thread with rubbish about how good the super era teams were.

Lol Mr Meow thinks it matters how well your Grand Final opponent played in another surrounding year is crucial to how good you were, BUT whether you yourself won the flag in those surrounding years is irrelevant to how good you were.

Olga Corbett level mental gymnastics.

 

[Fadge]

Nothing will top that for degree of difficulty. Facing a rampant MCG tenant at their home ground, who were defending premiers on an absolute tear (how many of the last 40 games would they have won?). Just a shame it was all ruled out by a close prelim against another MCG tenant about to start a dynasty though, in MR's warped world. Unlike the 18-5-1 Dockers of 2013, who elevated themselves courtesy of a 4 goal prelim win with a genuine home advantage. Who would then go to a ground they had played at twice all year (1 win, 1 loss) for the GF. The degree of difficulty for the latter situation was so much higher for Hawthorn, much like Richmond in 2019 etc.

Leading into the 2011 Grand Final, Collingwood's record was 35 wins, 2 draws and 3 losses from the previous 40 games.

Two of the three losses were in dead rubbers - one in the final home and away round of 2010 against Hawthorn after top spot was secured, and the other in the final home and away game of 2011 after top spot was secured.

But the Pies were only an 'average' losing Grand Final team in 2011 according to the great one's 'algorithm'.

FMD.

 

[Pistol Night]

Fadge & Meow stinking up yet another thread with rubbish about how good the super era teams were.

Lol Mr Meow thinks it matters how well your Grand Final opponent played in another surrounding year is crucial to how good you were, BUT whether you yourself won the flag in those surrounding years is irrelevant to how good you were.

Olga Corbett level mental gymnastics.

I feel like I’ve rocked up to pick my esky up the next morning from a party and two blokes are still going hard

 

[Mr Meow]

Fadge & Meow stinking up yet another thread with rubbish about how good the super era teams were.

Lol Mr Meow thinks it matters how well your Grand Final opponent played in another surrounding year is crucial to how good you were, BUT whether you yourself won the flag in those surrounding years is irrelevant to how good you were.

Olga Corbett level mental gymnastics.

The 22-2 records of Melbourne based teams heading into those GF days is far more relevant. You'd be creaming yourself if Richmond took down a team like the 2011 Pies on GF day. It's okay though, you still got to see your team beat...the 2017 Crows and 2019 Giants at your home ground. The Covid cup was actually the biggest accomplishment, it's just a shame neutrals continue to ridicule that season.