When will the Carlton FC Arrive?

[Chief]

Part 2 of this thread is here:

When will the Carlton FC Arrive? Part 2

PART 1 of this thread is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/when-will-the-carlton-fc-arrive.1259822/ ============= We're all thinking it. We're watching this story play out for the 4th time in the last 20 years and it's the same story every time. They have a great list of exciting...

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[Evolved1]

Fingers crossed they never arrive.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Who do Carlton fans want as coach in 2022?

Is there a desire to stick with Teague or will it be Clarkson/Lyon at any cost?

 

[Purple_Turtle]

They might next week, they should account for a Freo team missing Fyfe, will it be enough to kick start their season?

Big call.

Fyfe is a loss, but:

1. We can cover in the midfield without him now (between Brayshaw, Cerra, Serong and Mundy.) We'd look better with him but we have the manpower now to not need him in there to win games (against GWS we left Fyfe forward the whole time to cover for our missing tall forwards and still beat a GWS mdifield with Taranto, Coniglio and Kelly.)

2. Treacy returns from suspension, and while I'd rather not rely on a debutant Tabs, Darcy, and Treacy forward will be enough to make we can make a contest in the air.

3. We get Walters back.

Hoping it's not an easy fixture for them.

 

[ep2018]

Big call.

Fyfe is a loss, but:

1. We can cover in the midfield without him now (between Brayshaw, Cerra, Serong and Mundy.) We'd look better with him but we have the manpower now to not need him in there to win games (against GWS we left Fyfe forward the whole time to cover for our missing tall forwards and still beat a GWS mdifield with Taranto, Coniglio and Kelly.)

2. Treacy returns from suspension, and while I'd rather not rely on a debutant Tabs, Darcy, and Treacy forward will be enough to make we can make a contest in the air.

3. We get Walters back.

Hoping it's not an easy fixture for them.

I had GWS beating you easily yesterday, yet despite your inaccuracy you flogged them. I think this season, you are at that stage of a rebuild where you are close to unbeatable in home games, yet you will be a bit flaky away from Perth and will lose more than a few games, in essence you will be two teams this season. You will replicate your 2003 season and finish 5th to 8th. Potentially win one final, but not any realistic chance of winning the flag.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

Also if people are wondering why Carlton are struggling so far this year (at risk of them suddenly fixing all their problems and turning it on against my team on Sunday) this is a good explanation why:

Carlton’s forward half defending

Carlton aren’t going anywhere fast while they continue to struggle defensively, particularly holding the ball in their forward half.


For all their offensive abilities – and there are plenty – it’s all being gifted right back with a series of defensive errors ranging from the individual to system breakdowns.


When forwards give up as much as they score, it’s not a recipe for a successful season. Here are a string of examples from Thursday night’s loss to Collingwood, remembering these are just what’s visible on broadcast. Speaking from the point of view of someone who was sitting in Carlton’s forward half during the first and third quarters, there are plenty more unseen.

From The Notebook: Round 2 - The Shinboner

A fortnight in to 2021 and we’ve already been gifted a contender for match of the season, Sunday afternoon’s clash between the Western Bulldogs and West Coast a pulsating encounter.

theshinboner.com

Turns out being the third worst team in the comp for scores conceded (211 points vs Adelaide's 212 and North's 215) really doesn't help.

 

[kozi]

So Richmond - currently one of the best if not the best team in the competition beat Carlton as expected literally in the last ten minuutes of the game. well done Richmond. Anyone thinking Collingwood was going to be easy was mistaken - it was always going to be a 50/50 game at best given the side Carlton had to put on the park. Freo wont be 'easy' Suns wont be nor will Port or Brisbane - it is a tough start. However as stated above - the next few weeks sees some injured players start to return and at teh margin improvements start to kick in...

Carlton isnt a contender this year- nor will it be buried by narratives and memes on a footy forum from nuff nuffs who are looking in a rear view mirror thinking it says anythign about the future.

One thing is for certain - Carlton arent 'easy' beats on a bad day - either.

What this thread is about - and what was articulated well in the opening posts - is that it’s the same story on a treadmill for the last 5 years. Silver linings and optimism when the club is a decade into a rebuild that nobody sees ending in a serious finals birth.

The club isn’t an easy beat, but was that the goal at this point? The list looks to be peaking as a middle of the road team. Whilst the usual response is to rattle off a bunch of younger names how those names are rated by neutrals v how they are internally are worlds apart. There’s no serous flag tilt coming out of that crop.

 

[Percel]

On their way

 

[Soapy V]

Surely you can't suggest our midfield is quick with setterfield, curnow & cripps, Dow and Williams are quick but don't have the tank and Walsh is neither slow or quick.

Martin Saad Dow Williams Walsh give us pace around the contest.

Setterfield is playing wing which is nuts as is SPS off HB

I hope we see Cottrell soon for his speed and mongrel. Cuningham as a wing/HB should be playing as he is quick. LOB needs to play and play for at least 4 weeks. Carroll will be a gun and Durdin is quick and impressive

I question our selection more than our leg speed but a proper attitude would make a massive difference and IMO is the No 1 issue

We also need to move past Murphy Betts Casboult Curnow ASAP and look to the future. They have all been great but they are the past

 

[JustaBattler]

What this thread is about - and what was articulated well in the opening posts - is that it’s the same story on a treadmill for the last 5 years. Silver linings and optimism when the club is a decade into a rebuild that nobody sees ending in a serious finals birth.

The club isn’t an easy beat, but was that the goal at this point? The list looks to be peaking as a middle of the road team. Whilst the usual response is to rattle off a bunch of younger names how those names are rated by neutrals v how they are internally are worlds apart. There’s no serous flag tilt coming out of that crop.

Every Club is "a decade into a constant rebuild" every club is "on the same treamill" every Club has "silver linings and optimism" and I dont know what a "serious finals birth" means - but what you have manged to scribble - has the usual sound of a self appointed guru because Richmunt so funny.

 

[chunkylover53]

Who do Carlton fans want as coach in 2022?

Is there a desire to stick with Teague or will it be Clarkson/Lyon at any cost?

No. Just ****ing no.

Tired of the messiah-complex.

If we dump Teague for a new shiny, bigger name it will be Malthouse for Ratten all over again and that would just about do me as a supporter.

Teague has plenty to work on, so we should get him the help we needs and develop him, at any cost. We ran an 'exhaustive' process to identify that he was the bloke to take the group forward - so they better ****ing stick to it.

Plenty of other fans would jizz at the sight of a washed up Clarkson and Lyon though, it's a Carlton thing.

 

[Fadge]

Carroll will be a gun and Durdin is quick and impressive

With all due respect, we've heard these predictions about so many other untried Carlton recruits that never made the grade.

Why will these two be different?

 

[Soapy V]

With all due respect, we've heard these predictions about so many other untried Carlton recruits that never made the grade.

Why will these two be different?

We don’t know until they have been tried. Biggest issue for club has been development and reserves. This has finally been addressed. I expect major improvement in our younger players as year progresses

Time will tell but I’m confident

 

[Soapy V]

No. Just ******* no.

Tired of the messiah-complex.

If we dump Teague for a new shiny, bigger name it will be Malthouse for Ratten all over again and that would just about do me as a supporter.

Teague has plenty to work on, so we should get him the help we needs and develop him, at any cost. We ran an 'exhaustive' process to identify that he was the bloke to take the group forward - so they better ******* stick to it.

Plenty of other fans would jizz at the sight of a washed up Clarkson and Lyon though, it's a Carlton thing.

Teague needs to be given until end of year until any decision is even considered. Current situation is club issue not just coach.

Personally I believe we need to change assistants and keep improving development

 

[The wily weagle]

Unpopular opinion:

Carlton should abandon their season opening match with Richmond in favor of an easier kill (ie, North Melbourne)

Football is all about momentum, and earlier season losses are killing their confidence and thus momentum. And possibly, their season.

Going 2-0 against easier opponents is still better then 0-2 whilst playing in blockbusters.

This is Carlton though, where cheques and balances trump all so I doubt their club would allow such a school of thought.

 

[JustaBattler]

Unpopular opinion:

Carlton should abandon their season opening match with Richmond in favor of an easier kill (ie, North Melbourne)

Football is all about momentum, and earlier season losses are killing their confidence and thus momentum. And possibly, their season.

Going 2-0 against easier opponents is still better then 0-2 whilst playing in blockbusters.

This is Carlton though, where cheques and balances trump all so I doubt their club would allow such a school of thought.

This is Carton's starting 6 games

Richmond
Collingwood
Fremantle
SUNS
Port
Brisbane

based on last year's finishing - a neutral view would see 3 probable losses and 2 even monies and maybe a win against Suns. The start is made more difficult with late pre-season injuries on top of long term injuries currently being carried. For a middling Club it was always going to be a slog. Better judgements can be made as players come back in and newer players learn each other' game.

Season opener against Richmond is just what it is - leaving aside the loss- it was a great game to watch as was the 50/50 against Collingwood.

 

[Skull Face]

Martin Saad Dow Williams Walsh give us pace around the contest.

Setterfield is playing wing which is nuts as is SPS off HB

I hope we see Cottrell soon for his speed and mongrel. Cuningham as a wing/HB should be playing as he is quick. LOB needs to play and play for at least 4 weeks. Carroll will be a gun and Durdin is quick and impressive

I question our selection more than our leg speed but a proper attitude would make a massive difference and IMO is the No 1 issue

We also need to move past Murphy Betts Casboult Curnow ASAP and look to the future. They have all been great but they are the past

I was talking more centre clearances with the limited numbers around the ball, no idea why setters has been shifted to a wing he isn't suited there at all.

Martin and Williams are good for a burst but we need speed in there all the time to offset cripps speed, big bodied tagger with speed and tank is a role we could have picked up treloar to do. Dow needed to have a break out year but he still is too light and doesn't have the tank yet.

Fingers crossed on some of the others mentioned, Teague needs a win vs Freo with Port and Brisbane to follow we could easily be 1-5 or 0-6 without a win this week.

 

[Soapy V]

I was talking more centre clearances with the limited numbers around the ball, no idea why setters has been shifted to a wing he isn't suited there at all.

Martin and Williams are good for a burst but we need speed in there all the time to offset cripps speed, big bodied tagger with speed and tank is a role we could have picked up treloar to do. Dow needed to have a break out year but he still is too light and doesn't have the tank yet.

Fingers crossed on some of the others mentioned, Teague needs a win vs Freo with Port and Brisbane to follow we could easily be 1-5 or 0-6 without a win this week.

Dow has the tank just lacks confidence and experience. People forget he and LOB have hardly played a proper game for nearly 2 years. That hurts

We have the leg speed just need to add the pressure and IMO select the right side

 

[La Dispute]

Who do Carlton fans want as coach in 2022?

Is there a desire to stick with Teague or will it be Clarkson/Lyon at any cost?

Assuming we don't make the 8 (Teague will be extended for a couple of years if we do), I really want us to look at getting a senior coach with preferably some experience in the role. Don Pyke is my preference - our squad needs some balance in our play, and someone with some proven results getting the best out of a squad. Still think he was unfairly scapegoated.

Clarkson is probably unattainable, and I think Lyon's probably not going to coach again.

 

[kozi]

Every Club is "a decade into a constant rebuild" every club is "on the same treamill" every Club has "silver linings and optimism" and I dont know what a "serious finals birth" means - but what you have manged to scribble - has the usual sound of a self appointed guru because Richmunt so funny.

Read my post then read your response, then think again which one’s the scribble.

and I dont know what a "serious finals birth" means

Few Carlton fans do.

 

[La Dispute]

Read my post then read your response, then think again which one’s the scribble.

Few Carlton fans do.

It hasn't been ongoing for a decade - 2016 was the first year of the rebuild.

The crux of what you're saying is fine, but you're chucking out the usual platitudes that apply to every single club over the off-season. There's always optimism about a new season, and every set of supporters is hopeful their young players are going to take the next step.

It's weird though, it's mostly been the media pumping us up as a legitimate finals threat this year and after just two games, both of which we didn't start favourites in, the narrative has shifted completely. Sure internally we've signalled we want to make finals, but it doesn't mean it's necessarily going to happen. The same issues are persisting, and the squad itself still isn't much to write home about.

Way too early if this current crop does or doesn't have a good run at the finals in it. The key pillars are in place, but development across the board has been pretty poor. We wont make chip away much more if we can't get a couple more players to elevate themselves as stars of the competition, and there's no obvious candidates to do this either.

 

[tonygeeks]

Well they aren’t up against a Big 4 opponent this week so I would be expecting a this weeks umpire assist to put last years joke of a result into the shade

Conveniently tucked away in an out of sight timeslot to save the vAFL blushes this week as well

So will say tin foil hat but I say bring the lube Freo


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[tonygeeks]

Well they aren’t up against a Big 4 opponent this week so I would be expecting a this weeks umpire assist to put last years joke of a result into the shade

Conveniently tucked away in an out of sight timeslot to save the vAFL blushes this week as well

So will say tin foil hat but I say bring the lube Freo and we’ll see who’s closer to the mark


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[Bluelegs]

No. Just ******* no.

Tired of the messiah-complex.

If we dump Teague for a new shiny, bigger name it will be Malthouse for Ratten all over again and that would just about do me as a supporter.

Teague has plenty to work on, so we should get him the help we needs and develop him, at any cost. We ran an 'exhaustive' process to identify that he was the bloke to take the group forward - so they better ******* stick to it.

Plenty of other fans would jizz at the sight of a washed up Clarkson and Lyon though, it's a Carlton thing.

Malthouse always felt like he was just going to Carlton to spite Collingwood and cash in. To me Teague felt like he got in because he had a good record as an interim but I would be interested to know what his long term vision for the club is.

Clarkson is still the best coach in the competition, he does a lot more with an ordinary list than he has any right to.

 

[chunkylover53]

Malthouse always felt like he was just going to Carlton to spite Collingwood and cash in. To me Teague felt like he got in because he had a good record as an interim but I would be interested to know what his long term vision for the club is.

Like any other joe-blow who has found themselves in an advanced career position - they're picking it up as they go and trying to have a good month, I'd imagine. He's not the best coach right now but there's something to work with I think.

Clarkson is still the best coach in the competition, he does a lot more with an ordinary list than he has any right to.

It's his list. He owns that club and the players. It's different just waltzing into another organisation and trying to apply the same methods. It would be a disaster if Clarkson went to a club like Carlton imo.

 

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