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If a club can't celebrate the little things internally, it has little chance of building a winning culture. It's the sum of all the little things that lead to a great (and winning) culture. This isn't just a Hardwick / Richmond thing. Storm through Bellamy have been doing it for years.

I get what you are saying but the players need to buy into team success. And that means celebrating the little things amongst themselves. Pats on the bum (encouragement) are required throughout a game. Take a look at the winning teams and how they go about things. A team may not be winning on the scoreboard...that doesn't mean it can drop its standards and not give a sh*t about those around them.
Bollocks. There's 100 things that go into culture. Little things are part of it, but more often reflect the culture, not the other way around. You don't create a strong culture by slapping hands after a goal. If you have a good culture, you'll win, and then everyone wants to grab each others butt.

Lose every week and players build up defence mechanisms. They become introspective, overly safe, etc. Week after week, that builds, and then suddenly no one cares about Stocker's goal (and honestly - no one cares about Stockers goal). Flip the switch the other way, maybe get a bit of luck or momentum, and it turns in an instant.

All successful teams and coaches like to pretend they have some magic/special intrinsic ingredient that others don't. Richmond fans seem to have drunk this Kool-Aid. Nope - you are winning now, have a good coach, and a bunch of special players. Hawthorn had that in 2015 and it seemed like they would win forever, but Clarkson's game plan got figured out, the special players moved on, and now they are on the bottom. So it goes.

In 1995 Carlton won 23 games (and possibly tanked the only 2 they lost) and we had the most specialyist winningest culture ever. Turns out by 2002, we had a rotten culture and were a basket base, but no-one was saying that even in 2001. Clearly, it was the fact we didn't slap Jordan Doering's bum when he kicked his first goal, and not the retirement of Silvagni and the serious injuries to Koutoufides, Whitnall and Allan that led to that slide, and here we are 20 years later - still not slapping bums.

Or maybe, if you have talented, motivated and fit players and a good coach with a strong gameplan that everyone buys into, you'll start winning, and then little things start to become really easy
 

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Bollocks. There's 100 things that go into culture. Little things are part of it, but more often reflect the culture, not the other way around. You don't create a strong culture by slapping hands after a goal. If you have a good culture, you'll win, and then everyone wants to grab each others butt.

Lose every week and players build up defence mechanisms. They become introspective, overly safe, etc. Week after week, that builds, and then suddenly no one cares about Stocker's goal (and honestly - no one cares about Stockers goal). Flip the switch the other way, maybe get a bit of luck or momentum, and it turns in an instant.

All successful teams and coaches like to pretend they have some magic/special intrinsic ingredient that others don't. Richmond fans seem to have drunk this Kool-Aid. Nope - you are winning now, have a good coach, and a bunch of special players. Hawthorn had that in 2015 and it seemed like they would win forever, but Clarkson's game plan got figured out, the special players moved on, and now they are on the bottom. So it goes.

In 1995 Carlton won 23 games (and possibly tanked the only 2 they lost) and we had the most specialyist winningest culture ever. Turns out by 2002, we had a rotten culture and were a basket base, but no-one was saying that even in 2001. Clearly, it was the fact we didn't slap Jordan Doering's bum when he kicked his first goal, and not the retirement of Silvagni and the serious injuries to Koutoufides, Whitnall and Allan that led to that slide, and here we are 20 years later - still not slapping bums.

Or maybe, if you have talented, motivated and fit players and a good coach with a strong gameplan that everyone buys into, you'll start winning, and then little things start to become really easy
It's certainly easier to do the little things when you're winning, and winning papers over a lot of cracks in and of itself, but I disagree that the little things don't matter or aren't part of building a winning culture.

Part of modern AFL is playing to a system, where you do a number of things that don't get noticed or rewarded by the fans. So the team and coaches need to drive the recognition and reward.

Step 1 is the coaches setting KPI's, and acknowledging the players when they do them.
Step 2 is the leaders of the playing group demonstrating those KPIs on-field, and acknowledging other players when they do them.
Step 3 is the rest of the side demonstrating those KPIs on-field, and acknowledging each other when they do them.

At which point it becomes a self-fulfilling cycle.

If senior players aren't doing the team things, if they're not celebrating the 'moments' in a game where players do good things, memorable things; like Newman going back with the flight, like Stockers first goal, then you lose the impact and celebration and importance of those actions.
 

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If senior players aren't doing the team things, if they're not celebrating the 'moments' in a game where players do good things, memorable things; like Newman going back with the flight, like Stockers first goal, then you lose the impact and celebration and importance of those actions.
Exactly, not hard to give your teammate a pat on the head for doing something that (looking back) was borderline insane in context. Newman could have easily pulled back such was the state of the game.
 

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It's certainly easier to do the little things when you're winning, and winning papers over a lot of cracks in and of itself, but I disagree that the little things don't matter or aren't part of building a winning culture.

Part of modern AFL is playing to a system, where you do a number of things that don't get noticed or rewarded by the fans. So the team and coaches need to drive the recognition and reward.

Step 1 is the coaches setting KPI's, and acknowledging the players when they do them.
Step 2 is the leaders of the playing group demonstrating those KPIs on-field, and acknowledging other players when they do them.
Step 3 is the rest of the side demonstrating those KPIs on-field, and acknowledging each other when they do them.

At which point it becomes a self-fulfilling cycle.

If senior players aren't doing the team things, if they're not celebrating the 'moments' in a game where players do good things, memorable things; like Newman going back with the flight, like Stockers first goal, then you lose the impact and celebration and importance of those actions.
Right, there's certainly a cycle. Let's not kid ourselves about what the KPIs etc are though.

The argument on Stocker's goal is that only a half dozen players congratulated him... and that they celebrated as if it was any other goal and not a special one. It wasn't a particularly noteworthy goal in the scheme of things - we were getting belted by 5 goals, in the shadows of half time. The players celebrated 'appropriately' - half a dozen ran over to congratulate him, etc. They just didn't pile on top because it was his first goal.

Maybe he did feel a bit miffed that a bigger deal wasn't made of it. But you know what - if he's generally feeling good about his footy, secure in his role, and making a contribution to a winning team, he doesn't give a sh*te, and neither does anyone else. He gets his KPIs reinforced by the coach, and the winning. Winning begets more winning in that sense, and Carlton can do all the bum-tapping they like but it's still going to be miserable if we keep losing by 22 points every single week.
 

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The greater majority of Carlton members & fans are sick & tired of inaction around the club which has lead to the current situation, I applaud the fact that this Sayers guys isn't afraid to roll the sleeves up and get stuck in, that's what good leaders do.

I couldn't give a sh*t that it was leaked to the media, a lot of these players won't be at the club in the very near future, they have all had it too good for too long.

They were 'trusted' to train hard and deliver results but they have renegged on that part so stiff bikkies methinks !!
If you think it's good form for private conversations with players to be leaked to the media, you're part of the problem.
 

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I actually can’t believe Carlton fans are living this again. Can’t say I didn’t warn them.
Sos’ list management was horrendous, but even Carlton finally agreed with that. View attachment 1149983
I believe the list management, players not being professional and player selection has a lot to do with where Carlton are at.

You can see the players do not play for each other, there may be a group or two who do but the buy in isn't there. Why not?

Well just listing a couple of issues that would 'rock the boat' a tad.

  1. Jack Martin - massive front ended contract and has been nowhere near the money being paid.
  2. Mitch McGovern - came over for pretty decent money and looks like he has just cruised along, unfit, gets injured but still gets paid.
  3. Charlie Curnow - again, big money for potentially being a decent player. Has injury issues but some of those were outside footy (basketball) and a bit silly. How do his lessor paid team mates feel about all that?
  4. Mark Murphy - ex captain and well loved but now past it. Being gifted games so he can reach a personal milestone of 300 games. Is this really a team first approach?
  5. Eddie Betts - champion player and champion bloke but he won't be around in a couple of years when it counts. Is he the future? You add players of Betts age and output if you are gunning for a flag, Blues aren't.
  6. Paid big dollars to get Williams, been injured and suspended. Not a great start.
  7. Patrick Cripps - is he really the man for the job? Its a tough gig I know but why are the players not following his example? I feel for him as he looks sore every week.
If Carlton really wanted to shake things up they should move on C Curnow, Cripps and Mitch McGovern for what they can get. These three would get you as a minimum a good 1st rounder, another later 1st plus another later 2nd. Mitch would be a salary dump.

Hit the draft with three 1sts and two 2nd rounders.

Eddie and Murphy retire.
 
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There will be changes to playing list and selection. No doubt

What that will be will depend on who coaches will be. A new coach could well convince players to stay. I have no doubt Murphy Betts Curnow Casboult Newnes will all be retired by the end of the year if not later
 

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It says more about the injury list. Charlie, Fisher, Martin and Silvagni should all feature on that list in 2022. Eddie wouldn’t be playing otherwise (therefore raising questions as to why he was retained).

Owies cops it harshly too. He’s no star but he’ll be a good little role player albeit a tad one dimensional.
Will Curnow be back this year?
 

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If you think it's good form for private conversations with players to be leaked to the media, you're part of the problem.
So lets just assume that they go and speak with Walsh & Weitering who actually complain that they are busting their buns every week but they are unhappy because they are sick of the others coasting.

Why is it an issue that the footy world find out that a conversation like that took place ??
 

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You think we’d let him go that easily.

Taking band one would be the reasonable move, those at the top won’t swallow their pride and let it happen though.
They should. Draft another two gun mids which you should be able to find at picks 5 and 6 and pair them with Walsh, Weitering, McKay for 10 years.

Cripps is a horrible captain.
 

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Bollocks. There's 100 things that go into culture. Little things are part of it, but more often reflect the culture, not the other way around. You don't create a strong culture by slapping hands after a goal. If you have a good culture, you'll win, and then everyone wants to grab each others butt.

Lose every week and players build up defence mechanisms. They become introspective, overly safe, etc. Week after week, that builds, and then suddenly no one cares about Stocker's goal (and honestly - no one cares about Stockers goal). Flip the switch the other way, maybe get a bit of luck or momentum, and it turns in an instant.

All successful teams and coaches like to pretend they have some magic/special intrinsic ingredient that others don't. Richmond fans seem to have drunk this Kool-Aid. Nope - you are winning now, have a good coach, and a bunch of special players. Hawthorn had that in 2015 and it seemed like they would win forever, but Clarkson's game plan got figured out, the special players moved on, and now they are on the bottom. So it goes.

In 1995 Carlton won 23 games (and possibly tanked the only 2 they lost) and we had the most specialyist winningest culture ever. Turns out by 2002, we had a rotten culture and were a basket base, but no-one was saying that even in 2001. Clearly, it was the fact we didn't slap Jordan Doering's bum when he kicked his first goal, and not the retirement of Silvagni and the serious injuries to Koutoufides, Whitnall and Allan that led to that slide, and here we are 20 years later - still not slapping bums.

Or maybe, if you have talented, motivated and fit players and a good coach with a strong gameplan that everyone buys into, you'll start winning, and then little things start to become really easy
Calm down champ. I have a choice of listening to 2 of the great modern coaches in Bellamy and Hardwick or a Blues supporter on BF. Let me have a think and I'll get back to you.

As for '95, Carlton were a very good team. Excellent players and all. Salary cap wouldn't have been a problem either at the time.

You're normally a half sensible poster. You're obviously emotionally invested in the garbage your club is currently dishing up. Things will turn...one day.
 

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Feels like they've given up and don't want to waste anymore time which is fair enough. But it also feels like season wasted. Why didn't they review after last year when they went 7-10? Who decides how the last 10 games are used? A coach who might not survive? Do you play kids and see what you've got or keep letting senior players go out on their terms playing bruise free footy. Brad Llyod doesn't look safe himself yet hes trying to garuntee Teagues job? Personally i thought Teague would be safe for this year with a finish from 8th to 12th but he looks completely out of his depth. Id be very surprised if he survived now. The assistants were always being replaced so no surprise at all Barkers left already. If they can land Clarkson or someone with assitants Voss, Leppa, just no nonsense strong characters that will drive standards and accountability, the club can bounce back pretty quickly.

Of the players, Murphy, Betts and Casboult were definite retirees but calls might now be made on Ed Curnow, Newnes and a few others. A big group of players whos future at Carlton is unknown includes McGovern, Dow, LOB, Stocker, SPS, Williamson, Charlie Curnow, Cunningham, Martin, probably more. Where do these guys sit in a new coaching groups plans, who has currency, who wants to buy in to a new direction etc
Obviously a core of McKay, Weitering and Walsh is what any new coach coming in wants at their disposal but what about Cripps now? He's given everything to the club but it feels up in the air. Does a new coach prefer a top 6 compo pick to let him leave? Do he and McKay even want to sign during the review while theres so much uncertainty?
There is a core of about 15 players that on paper look like a top 8 side. They need a strong coaching group with a clear, simple plan to folllow, and a set of standards that everyone has to adhere to. Then everyone will know where they are at.

On a side note the Murphy situation is bizarre. The whinge in the media, i dont understand why he is choosing to leave the game like this. A token standing ovation from fed up fans, or a token gaurd of honour from a playing group that have lost respect for you and obviously have a problem with your selection in the first place.
 

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More chance of China admitting they released COVID than Carlton arriving as a club anytime soon. Their old school backroom boys culture don't cut it anymore and too many ex players still with their fingers in the Pie. Joint needs a massive clean-out.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke than Bruce Mathieson - the prick that destroyed the Royal Oak as a Tiger venue by taking back the Poker Machine license. Karma is a biatch hey Bruce.
 

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It's certainly easier to do the little things when you're winning, and winning papers over a lot of cracks in and of itself, but I disagree that the little things don't matter or aren't part of building a winning culture.

Part of modern AFL is playing to a system, where you do a number of things that don't get noticed or rewarded by the fans. So the team and coaches need to drive the recognition and reward.

Step 1 is the coaches setting KPI's, and acknowledging the players when they do them.
Step 2 is the leaders of the playing group demonstrating those KPIs on-field, and acknowledging other players when they do them.
Step 3 is the rest of the side demonstrating those KPIs on-field, and acknowledging each other when they do them.

At which point it becomes a self-fulfilling cycle.

If senior players aren't doing the team things, if they're not celebrating the 'moments' in a game where players do good things, memorable things; like Newman going back with the flight, like Stockers first goal, then you lose the impact and celebration and importance of those actions.
Nicely said.

Leppitsch was actually talking about this just the other day. He was talking about all the selfless defensive running performed by some. So in and of itself, it would be completely unnoticed by fans and commentators. Without which the system would break down. So during the week the players themselves celebrate the acts that no-one else would notice.
 

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They should. Draft another two gun mids which you should be able to find at picks 5 and 6 and pair them with Walsh, Weitering, McKay for 10 years.

Cripps is a horrible captain.
If only it was that simple. SPS and Dow were supposed to partner Cripps and Docherty for 10 years. 5 and 4 years in and we’re still wondering if they’ll become best 22 players let alone players to lead a side.

Cripps is still learning as a captain. He needs to get out of that 2019 do it all mindset. He’ll be okay. Cotchin went through exactly the same thing.
 

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Bollocks. There's 100 things that go into culture. Little things are part of it, but more often reflect the culture, not the other way around. You don't create a strong culture by slapping hands after a goal. If you have a good culture, you'll win, and then everyone wants to grab each others butt.

Lose every week and players build up defence mechanisms. They become introspective, overly safe, etc. Week after week, that builds, and then suddenly no one cares about Stocker's goal (and honestly - no one cares about Stockers goal). Flip the switch the other way, maybe get a bit of luck or momentum, and it turns in an instant.

All successful teams and coaches like to pretend they have some magic/special intrinsic ingredient that others don't. Richmond fans seem to have drunk this Kool-Aid. Nope - you are winning now, have a good coach, and a bunch of special players. Hawthorn had that in 2015 and it seemed like they would win forever, but Clarkson's game plan got figured out, the special players moved on, and now they are on the bottom. So it goes.

In 1995 Carlton won 23 games (and possibly tanked the only 2 they lost) and we had the most specialyist winningest culture ever. Turns out by 2002, we had a rotten culture and were a basket base, but no-one was saying that even in 2001. Clearly, it was the fact we didn't slap Jordan Doering's bum when he kicked his first goal, and not the retirement of Silvagni and the serious injuries to Koutoufides, Whitnall and Allan that led to that slide, and here we are 20 years later - still not slapping bums.

Or maybe, if you have talented, motivated and fit players and a good coach with a strong gameplan that everyone buys into, you'll start winning, and then little things start to become really easy
Sorry but not buying it. Carlton have basically been a basketcase for 20-years. There’s something inherently wrong with the culture of that club. A bit of bad luck or a few injuries might explain a poor few seasons, but the best part of 20-years in a competition where everyone is on a level playing field indicates something very stinky.

If you win relying on talent or a bit of luck or a good run with injuries it’ll be short lived …. if you don’t have a culture that drives standards you’ll be overtaken by others, as Carlton have been at various stages by nearly every other club at various stages over the last 20 years.


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So sick of Carlton supporters blaming coaches, culture, fitness, gameplans and so on.

They're still s*** because they've stuffed up nearly every recruiting and drafting decision since 2017. It's arguably the worst period of list management in football history.

The only absolute hit they've had in that period is the one decision they couldn't stuff up: Sam Walsh. TDK and Fisher should be good. Stocker and Kemp unproven. Rest are busts.

Then the 'marquee deals'. Mitch McGovern on 5x800k is just unfathomable in hindsight. Jack Martin on 5x600k isn't far behind. Zac Williams 5x900k is trending the same way. These guys need to be stars or potential stars of the club on that sort of money. None of them are close.

You can't have four years of disastrous decision making like this and expect to be a good footy team. You'll stagnate around the middle of the table. Exactly where they are now.
 
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Carlton board facing fresh challenge
By Jake Niall and Sam McClure

The Carlton board is facing another challenge from an investment fund manager who has called for a review of the club board’s performance and urged Carlton members to assist him in “taking back control of our club”.

Former Softball Australia chairman John Hollingsworth, who stood unsuccessfully for election to the Carlton board twice, has confirmed that he will challenge the Blues’ board at the end of this season, while calling on incoming president Luke Sayers to do a “full overhaul” of the board that he says has failed for two decades.

His call follows the revelation that Carlton will conduct a full external review of the football department, and the resignation of long-serving assistant coach John Barker, who was forced to leave the Blues earlier than expected.

Hollingsworth also said he was aware of Carlton members who were calling for an extraordinary general meeting, which can spill all board positions. He said the club’s review of the football department was “not enough” and should extend to the board, which he feared would “scapegoat” the coaching staff.

“I’m aware of a number of members who are pushing for an EGM,″⁣ said Hollingsworth, who stood for election, without board backing, and fell short in elections held in 2020 and early this year. Under Carlton’s constitution, an EGM can be triggered by 100 signatures of eligible voting members.

“This board has presided over the last 10 years of on-field failure. A review of the current coaching staff is not enough. During the last 10 years there has been a revolving door of coaches and CEOs.

“I fear that the board will again look for scapegoats for the on-field failures among the coaching staff.

“Incoming president Luke Sayers is in his 10th year on the Carlton board. I again urge Luke to do a full overhaul starting with the Carlton board to address the failings of the board.

“The board needs to look in the mirror first. The board needs to set the standards for others to follow and over the past 20 years it has failed to do so. Only after a full overhaul of the board is completed can actions be taken to improve the culture of the club, its senior management and the football department.

“More and more Carlton members are rightly voicing their concerns. I am reminding Carlton members that they have the power to hire and fire the board. I will again stand for the Carlton board in August and I am urging Carlton members to join me in taking back control of our club.″⁣

Barker, meanwhile, an experienced assistant and one-time caretaker coach, is set to leave the club sooner than he anticipated.

Barker, who has been serving as the Blues’ stoppages coach in his 11th season, offered his resignation to football boss Brad Lloyd on Monday, citing personal reasons.

A club source has told The Age Barker wanted to remain with the team until the end of the season, but the club’s preference was for him to leave immediately.

Carlton confirmed in a statement that Barker would depart during Carlton’s bye round this weekend and won’t be in the coach’s box for the Blues’ round 14 clash with Greater Western Sydney.

Lloyd acknowledged Barker’s contribution.

“On behalf of the entire club, I’d like to take this opportunity to acknowledge John’s efforts over the past 10 years and thank him for his contribution to the club,” he said.

“John is a quality person who was outstanding not only with our playing group but also with the entire wider club, including staff and our corporate network.

“He has been a valued member of our football club and has played an integral role in the development of our playing list.”

Barker said he had “absolutely loved my time in footy” and most of all the relationships he had built.

“However, over the past 12 months I’ve been able to take the time to reflect on what’s most important to me and given the nature of the role and all it commands, I’ve made the decision to explore other avenues outside of football, and most importantly with my family at the forefront.”

Barker’s resignation came on the day the club confirmed a wide-ranging external review into the football department.

The review, which will be led by former PwC boss Sayers, comes amid a string of poor performances under embattled coach David Teague.

Carlton confirmed the review in a statement on Tuesday.

“This process will be conducted by an independent review panel external to the club, reporting to Luke Sayers and the board,” outgoing president Mark LoGiudice said.

“The club acknowledges that we are not satisfied with where we are at from a performance perspective.

“We feel we owe it to our members and supporters to leave no stone unturned in our attempt to improve our on-field performance.

“Rather than wait until the conclusion of the 2021 season to undertake this review, we feel the opportunity is available to formalise this now.”

Following his playing career, Barker worked under Ross Lyon at St Kilda and Alastair Clarkson at Hawthorn in 2009 and 2010. He was caretaker coach for 14 games in 2015 when the club acrimoniously fell out with Mick Malthouse, missing out on the job to Brendon Bolton.
 

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So lets just assume that they go and speak with Walsh & Weitering who actually complain that they are busting their buns every week but they are unhappy because they are sick of the others coasting.

Why is it an issue that the footy world find out that a conversation like that took place ??
It’s a very bad look. Shows there’s
  1. no unity in the playing group
  2. that concerns about performance management aren’t being addressed internally
  3. he fact they named Docherty and Cripps as among those questioned by the new President makes it likely they were the ones who made the comments about performance. If so, they’re partially responsible, they’re the club’s onfield leaders and as such responsible for driving standards, it means they’re ineffectual leaders and part of the problem
  4. You can fix a rift between coach and players easily enough by sacking the former, if you’ve got factions within the playing group you’re shagged - you can’t turf them all out in one off season.
 

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Carlton board facing fresh challenge
By Jake Niall and Sam McClure

The Carlton board is facing another challenge from an investment fund manager who has called for a review of the club board’s performance and urged Carlton members to assist him in “taking back control of our club”.

Former Softball Australia chairman John Hollingsworth, who stood unsuccessfully for election to the Carlton board twice, has confirmed that he will challenge the Blues’ board at the end of this season, while calling on incoming president Luke Sayers to do a “full overhaul” of the board that he says has failed for two decades.

His call follows the revelation that Carlton will conduct a full external review of the football department, and the resignation of long-serving assistant coach John Barker, who was forced to leave the Blues earlier than expected.

Hollingsworth also said he was aware of Carlton members who were calling for an extraordinary general meeting, which can spill all board positions. He said the club’s review of the football department was “not enough” and should extend to the board, which he feared would “scapegoat” the coaching staff.

“I’m aware of a number of members who are pushing for an EGM,″⁣ said Hollingsworth, who stood for election, without board backing, and fell short in elections held in 2020 and early this year. Under Carlton’s constitution, an EGM can be triggered by 100 signatures of eligible voting members.

“This board has presided over the last 10 years of on-field failure. A review of the current coaching staff is not enough. During the last 10 years there has been a revolving door of coaches and CEOs.

“I fear that the board will again look for scapegoats for the on-field failures among the coaching staff.

“Incoming president Luke Sayers is in his 10th year on the Carlton board. I again urge Luke to do a full overhaul starting with the Carlton board to address the failings of the board.

“The board needs to look in the mirror first. The board needs to set the standards for others to follow and over the past 20 years it has failed to do so. Only after a full overhaul of the board is completed can actions be taken to improve the culture of the club, its senior management and the football department.

“More and more Carlton members are rightly voicing their concerns. I am reminding Carlton members that they have the power to hire and fire the board. I will again stand for the Carlton board in August and I am urging Carlton members to join me in taking back control of our club.″⁣

Barker, meanwhile, an experienced assistant and one-time caretaker coach, is set to leave the club sooner than he anticipated.

Barker, who has been serving as the Blues’ stoppages coach in his 11th season, offered his resignation to football boss Brad Lloyd on Monday, citing personal reasons.

A club source has told The Age Barker wanted to remain with the team until the end of the season, but the club’s preference was for him to leave immediately.

Carlton confirmed in a statement that Barker would depart during Carlton’s bye round this weekend and won’t be in the coach’s box for the Blues’ round 14 clash with Greater Western Sydney.

Lloyd acknowledged Barker’s contribution.

“On behalf of the entire club, I’d like to take this opportunity to acknowledge John’s efforts over the past 10 years and thank him for his contribution to the club,” he said.

“John is a quality person who was outstanding not only with our playing group but also with the entire wider club, including staff and our corporate network.

“He has been a valued member of our football club and has played an integral role in the development of our playing list.”

Barker said he had “absolutely loved my time in footy” and most of all the relationships he had built.

“However, over the past 12 months I’ve been able to take the time to reflect on what’s most important to me and given the nature of the role and all it commands, I’ve made the decision to explore other avenues outside of football, and most importantly with my family at the forefront.”

Barker’s resignation came on the day the club confirmed a wide-ranging external review into the football department.

The review, which will be led by former PwC boss Sayers, comes amid a string of poor performances under embattled coach David Teague.

Carlton confirmed the review in a statement on Tuesday.

“This process will be conducted by an independent review panel external to the club, reporting to Luke Sayers and the board,” outgoing president Mark LoGiudice said.

“The club acknowledges that we are not satisfied with where we are at from a performance perspective.

“We feel we owe it to our members and supporters to leave no stone unturned in our attempt to improve our on-field performance.

“Rather than wait until the conclusion of the 2021 season to undertake this review, we feel the opportunity is available to formalise this now.”

Following his playing career, Barker worked under Ross Lyon at St Kilda and Alastair Clarkson at Hawthorn in 2009 and 2010. He was caretaker coach for 14 games in 2015 when the club acrimoniously fell out with Mick Malthouse, missing out on the job to Brendon Bolton.
‘Played an integral role in development of our list’

How about that for damning with faint praise
 

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More chance of China admitting they released COVID than Carlton arriving as a club anytime soon. Their old school backroom boys culture don't cut it anymore and too many ex players still with their fingers in the Pie. Joint needs a massive clean-out.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke than Bruce Mathieson - the prick that destroyed the Royal Oak as a Tiger venue by taking back the Poker Machine license. Karma is a biatch hey Bruce.
yep couldn’t agree more

As stated from someone above how these convos with the incoming president got leaked is laughable and a horrible sign straight off. IMO they’ll launch a EGM regardless so he might not even have a role in the future which will be even worse.
 
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