Society/Culture When will we start checking our inherited privilege?

[Lethality]

We check our privilege when it comes to race, wealth and gender, but there are stronger determining factors of privilege that don't seem to get acknowledged. Intelligence, attractiveness, athletic ability, place of birth, time of birth, level of motivation, mental health, upbringing, etc.

All these are completely outside of our control, yet we elevate people who have these things, instead of acknowledging that they too are simply the beneficiaries of privilege. All the kudos and recognition goes to these people who need it the least, whereas by checking on these people's privilege we could realise that less endowed people are equally deserving.

Thoughts?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Thoughts, yes......I like eating bananas

 

[Seeds]

We check our privilege when it comes to race, wealth and gender, but there are stronger determining factors of privilege that don't seem to get acknowledged. Intelligence, attractiveness, athletic ability, place of birth, time of birth, level of motivation, mental health, upbringing, etc.

All these are completely outside of our control, yet we elevate people who have these things, instead of acknowledging that they too are simply the beneficiaries of privilege. All the kudos and recognition goes to these people who need it the least, whereas by checking on these people's privilege we could realise that less endowed people are equally deserving.

Thoughts?

Everything outside the brain you could argue can be inherited due to privledge. But our brain or more specifically our mind is the very nature of what we are. We dont inherit ourselves. We are our ourselves. You cant inherit what you are.

a pyschopath isnt unlucky that he is born a pyschopath. Its a part of his very existence. That person would not exist if he was no longer a pyschopath as that would be a different person. A genetically intelligent perso isnt lucky that he is intelligent. That is what he is. Change his mind so he is no longer intelligent then he ceases to exist. the mind is what we are.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

We check our privilege when it comes to race, wealth and gender, but there are stronger determining factors of privilege that don't seem to get acknowledged. Intelligence, attractiveness, athletic ability, place of birth, time of birth, level of motivation, mental health, upbringing, etc.

All these are completely outside of our control, yet we elevate people who have these things, instead of acknowledging that they too are simply the beneficiaries of privilege. All the kudos and recognition goes to these people who need it the least, whereas by checking on these people's privilege we could realise that less endowed people are equally deserving.

Thoughts?

Ranked: The Social Mobility of 82 Countries

Ranked: The Social Mobility of 82 Countries It’s an unfortunate truth that a person’s opportunities can be partially tethered to their socioeconomic status at birth. Although winning or losing the “birth lottery” will continue to shape the lives of generations to come, climbing the socioeconomic...

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My thought is we don't check our privilege if you are born poor in Ivory Coast.

Seriously though, we elevate those people because human beings are innately very poor at making complex judgements involved in rating peoples fitness for various tasks. It's a flaw in our genetic makeup and/or the way our brains work. For example, science has acknowledged the advantages posed by attractiveness in numerous studies rating peoples skills on the basis of appearance. These sort of flaws developed in the population through evolution.

Societial norms also play a key role.

 

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Ranked: The Social Mobility of 82 Countries

Ranked: The Social Mobility of 82 Countries It’s an unfortunate truth that a person’s opportunities can be partially tethered to their socioeconomic status at birth. Although winning or losing the “birth lottery” will continue to shape the lives of generations to come, climbing the socioeconomic...

www.visualcapitalist.com

My thought is we don't check our privilege if you are born poor in Ivory Coast.

Seriously though, we elevate those people because human beings are innately very poor at making complex judgements involved in rating peoples fitness for various tasks. It's a flaw in our genetic makeup and/or the way our brains work. For example, science has acknowledged the advantages posed by attractiveness in numerous studies rating peoples skills on the basis of appearance. These sort of flaws developed in the population through evolution.

Societial norms also play a key role.

Can I get a chart that shows these countries historical homogeneity?

 

[Ants]

We check our privilege when it comes to race, wealth and gender, but there are stronger determining factors of privilege that don't seem to get acknowledged. Intelligence, attractiveness, athletic ability, place of birth, time of birth, level of motivation, mental health, upbringing, etc.

All these are completely outside of our control, yet we elevate people who have these things, instead of acknowledging that they too are simply the beneficiaries of privilege. All the kudos and recognition goes to these people who need it the least, whereas by checking on these people's privilege we could realise that less endowed people are equally deserving.

Thoughts?

Um, I think the point is we're not a perfect society yet, and we know humans aren't perfect. Studies are showing that we have a lot of innate biases, such as subconsciously giving preference and trust to good looking people. Some of those we just have to try and acknowledge, and get better on. Some we can try and fix. An example would be the NDIS which tries (not necessarily well) to help those with disabilities live normal lives. New Zealand's ACC covers people who have accidents anywhere, anytime, giving some protection against the vagaries of the universe. We try and give everyone an education, even though the universities know that poor and public students get disadvantaged by it.

And while we can definitely get better, there will need to be a line drawn somewhere. Most people worried about privilege don't want equality of outcome, they want equality of opportunity. Which currently doesn't exist (especially not on race, wealth and gender). But even as/if we fix those things, we will at some stage hit a limit on what is reasonable to try and adjust for.

We're just nowhere near that point yet.

 

[Hoops]

I'll do it tomorrow

 

[Turnover]

I'll do it tomorrow

Some privileged advice

 

[Kwality]

Um, I think the point is we're not a perfect society yet, and we know humans aren't perfect. Studies are showing that we have a lot of innate biases, such as subconsciously giving preference and trust to good looking people. Some of those we just have to try and acknowledge, and get better on. Some we can try and fix. An example would be the NDIS which tries (not necessarily well) to help those with disabilities live normal lives. New Zealand's ACC covers people who have accidents anywhere, anytime, giving some protection against the vagaries of the universe. We try and give everyone an education, even though the universities know that poor and public students get disadvantaged by it.

And while we can definitely get better, there will need to be a line drawn somewhere. Most people worried about privilege don't want equality of outcome, they want equality of opportunity. Which currently doesn't exist (especially not on race, wealth and gender). But even as/if we fix those things, we will at some stage hit a limit on what is reasonable to try and adjust for.

We're just nowhere near that point yet.

I wanted to ride a surfboard professionally but have very fair skin. I learned to live with it.

 

[Number37]

Is "White Lady Funerals" only for white ladies?

 

[Lethality]

a pyschopath isnt unlucky that he is born a pyschopath. Its a part of his very existence. That person would not exist if he was no longer a pyschopath as that would be a different person. A genetically intelligent perso isnt lucky that he is intelligent. That is what he is. Change his mind so he is no longer intelligent then he ceases to exist. the mind is what we are.

I would say the psychopath doesn't cease to exist, he just continues to exist with some changes, just as someone changes when they are treated successfully for depression or anxiety, or just as our minds all change from day to day.

Intelligent people can stop being intelligent with age, or drink, or brain injury, but again I don't think any of that means they cease to exist.

 

[Lethality]

I see a lot of this in AFL, when a player is celebrated just for being good at AFL, whereas a player who is not as good at AFL is lambasted by everyone and then forgotten on retirement.

The better players are also bestowed by the commentators with other qualities, such as 'leadership' or 'determination' or being a 'good bloke' moreso than lesser players who might have these components in equal or greater amounts.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I can get ten pints into me without falling over - I definitely am privileged.

 

[Bollox]

Tackling the big issues.
If you were born good looking, healthy, wealthy and perhaps a big dick, you really should feel guilty about all the fun and success you enjoy.
Spare a thought for the ugly fat poor people out there...aim to be more like them, and stop enjoying yourself immediately !
The world needs to reverse natural selection ASAP.

 

[Lethality]

Tackling the big issues.
If you were born good looking, healthy, wealthy and perhaps a big dick, you really should feel guilty about all the fun and success you enjoy.
Spare a thought for the ugly fat poor people out there...aim to be more like them, and stop enjoying yourself immediately !
The world needs to reverse natural selection ASAP.

Well there really is no point in natural selection for humans anymore, since we'll get a lot further by engineering than by evolution.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Well there really is no point in natural selection for humans anymore, since we'll get a lot further by engineering than by evolution.

Well, we're at that point in medical science aren't we? Gene manipulation, biomechanical augmentation - it's here.

 

[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

What about life expectancy privilege? It seems to get acknowledged when comparing Aboriginal people with the general population but not when comparing female vs male.

Should men get to retire a few years early to enjoy the same amount of years in retirement as women before death?

Will all the complaint about an earnings gap between men and women (fully aware of what contributes to this) the greater life expectancy of women compared to men is really an elephant in the room that nobody wants to touch

 

[DIG]

Should men get to retire a few years early to enjoy the same amount of years in retirement as women before death?

 

[HairyO]

What about life expectancy privilege? It seems to get acknowledged when comparing Aboriginal people with the general population but not when comparing female vs male.

Should men get to retire a few years early to enjoy the same amount of years in retirement as women before death?

Will all the complaint about an earnings gap between men and women (fully aware of what contributes to this) the greater life expectancy of women compared to men is really an elephant in the room that nobody wants to touch

You may as well try and start a discussion on male victims of domestic violence.

"Ah but its only 30% of cases. And they probably deserved it anyway".

Then again, 1 in 7 women will get breast cancer vs 1 in 6 men getting prostate cancer but research in to women specific diseases gets 4 times the funding as male specific diseases.

Hang on, Im heading down the path of white male privilege.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Thoughts?

I sleep like a baby.

Every night.

 

[Cash is King]

Tackling the big issues.
If you were born good looking, healthy, wealthy and perhaps a big dick, you really should feel guilty about all the fun and success you enjoy.
Spare a thought for the ugly fat poor people out there...aim to be more like them, and stop enjoying yourself immediately !
The world needs to reverse natural selection ASAP.

This has Silent Alarm written all over it

 

[medusala]

We check our privilege when it comes to race, wealth and gender, but there are stronger determining factors of privilege that don't seem to get acknowledged. Intelligence, attractiveness, athletic ability, place of birth, time of birth, level of motivation, mental health, upbringing, etc.

Never met a Leo I liked. Aquarius types are shifty too.

 

[Seeds]

I would say the psychopath doesn't cease to exist, he just continues to exist with some changes, just as someone changes when they are treated successfully for depression or anxiety, or just as our minds all change from day to day.

Intelligent people can stop being intelligent with age, or drink, or brain injury, but again I don't think any of that means they cease to exist.

In some ways they do cease to exist. This is obviously not black or white. There is a lot of grey here.

a person who has dementia is no longer the person they were before.

what is a person? I would say its their desires, thoughts and values. If a person loses their intelligence due to drink or brain injury and this noticably changes their desires, thoughts and values then I would say the previous person no longer exists.