List Mgmt. Where are Port at list wise?

[Cleric]

Port are an interesting watch with regards to where their list sits, post Kenny.

They have the holy trinity of JHF, Butters and Rozee, but outside of that im not sure their list is in a good position.
They lack any real forwards other than Georgiades, and went all in with Luko, which seems to have been a mistake.
Small forward wise they have SPP, Riloi and Berry. Riloi is at the end of his career, and Berry is still unproven at AFL level.

Their backline is subpar, and their best one is 30 years old.

They have been chasing the final peice of the puzzle for a decade, and never found it.
While their team isn't old enough to be in rebuild territory, they are in the even worst position of being stuck in that 9th- 14th range which rules them out of the best draft picks you get with a rebuild.

They are also at risk of losing both Butters and Bergman after losing Houston last year. You just can't cough up those type of quality players year after year and get success. Being a Crows supporter I know this all too well.

Is their list over rated, or is it in the window?

 

[WillHayward]

Similar to Carlton imo.

Very good top end. Some plodders in the middle and then a bottom 5 that probably aren't quite AFL standard

Without a first round draft pick in 2025.

No man's land.

 

[Cleric]

Similar to Carlton imo.

Very good top end. Then some plodders in the middle and then a bottom 5 that probably aren't AFL standard

Both without a first round draft pick in 2025.

No man's land.

The only way get any top picks is to lose Butters and Bergman, and then they still arnt getting top 5 picks because the teams they will nominate won't be at the bottom of the ladder.

 

[The Nostradamus]

The only way get any top picks is to lose Butters and Bergman, and then they still arnt getting top 5 picks because the teams they will nominate won't be at the bottom of the ladder.

They’ll get a top 5 equivalent pick for butters even if it involves a 3 way trade

Bergman agree will only fetch a late first rounder as he’s out of contract

 

[SAweagle]

Rowzee is a useful HBF, looks great in the H/A wilts under finals pressure
Butters is gone post 2026
JHF is an unstable genius and without butters there to keep him in check he will run amok. Josh Vehicle will have to keep a very tight leash until he grows up.

Georgiades will end up at West Coast
Rat and BZT are stop gaps
Lord has hit a brick wall
The rest are vanilla

Geez it's looking grim

 

[jakson68]

Power's list is exactly like their existence.
Second rate.

 

[VinnieB]

Power's list is exactly like their existence.
Second rate.

It’s embarrassing when they wear our colours.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

The list management team have refused to invest via the draft in key areas of our list. It’s been obvious for 5+ years (even though many port fans have disagreed), it’s been obvious for a long time this hole was coming.

The club didn’t prepare for it and dug a hole in the same way we have with keeping Ken on.

We’ve shot ourselves in the foot with repeated poor decisions. In short, we’re screwed.

We haven’t used a first round pick on a key defender in over 20 years (since Chaplin). That’s insanity. We’ve also only used 2 second round picks on key defenders over that time. Then they wonder why our defence has been getting towelled up for years. It’s a laughing stock some of our list management decisions. You can’t win without a strong defence.

 

[Footy Smarts]

They love investing in fringe players from other teams. Ok it worked with Allir. But Ratugolea, BZT, Narkle, Evans, Soldo, Sweet, Atkins, Finlayson is a pretty ugly list.

 

[Cleric]

They’ll get a top 5 equivalent pick for butters even if it involves a 3 way trade

Bergman agree will only fetch a late first rounder as he’s out of contract

That's not a given. Why would a team give up a top 5 pick for a deal that Port dont deem good enough in the first place for Butters.
They are at the mercy of Butters as to what team he nominates, if he did decide to leave.

 

[WillHayward]

They’ll get a top 5 equivalent pick for butters even if it involves a 3 way trade

Bergman agree will only fetch a late first rounder as he’s out of contract

They would want two top 5 picks for Butters imo.

Bergman probably worth about pick 10-12 even if out of contract.

 

[strand_victor]

Our List has a good Nucleus the Problem is we have too many Plodders and List Cloggers meaning our Depth is poor. It's why we've been Exposed in Finals but it's not all Doom and Gloom as Richmond were on the Receiving End of similar Criticisms a Decade ago and look how that turned out. Even the Captain in Cotchin was mocked and labelled as a Frontrunner and a Pretty Boy there are Parallels between Cotchin and Rozee so like I said it's not all Doom and Gloom.

 

[Cleric]

They would want two top 5 picks for Butters imo.

Bergman probably worth about pick 10-12 even if out of contract.

He's worth two highly top 10 picks for sure, but the problem is that the clubs he would want to get to won't have those picks.

They might even have to try for three firsts if they arnt that great, but what club is giving that much draft capital up for one player?

 

[Cleric]

Our List has a good Nucleus the Problem is we have too many Plodders and List Cloggers meaning our Depth is poor. It's why we've been Exposed in Finals but it's not all Doom and Gloom as Richmond were on the Receiving End of similar Criticisms a Decade ago and look how that turned out. Even the Captain in Cotchin was mocked and labelled as a Frontrunner and a Pretty Boy there are Parallels between Cotchin and Rozee so like I said it's not all Doom and Gloom.

It has a good young midfield, but lacks either end.

 

[PerthBoy86]

In big trouble. I see an Eagles or Richmond like falling off a cliff and being down the bottom for at least a few years, though the Tiges trough looks like it could be a lot narrower than ours. No other team besides maybe Sydney is as reliant on 3 players as they are.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

It has a good young midfield, but lacks either end.

We are in big poo unless Butters, Rozee & JHF stick together for the next 5-7 years while we rebuild our key positions. We may have to sacrifice Bergman just to get a decent spot in this years draft and forget trying to buy in low tier spuds to fill the gaps.

Other than that, we have no other trade value on hand, so start tanking the next 2-3 years for draft picks and hopefully pick up some decent SA or Qld talent in the process. Try to avoid the Vic talent just for go home factor and poor trade value in return.

 

[Cleric]

We are in big poo unless Butters, Rozee & JHF stick together for the next 5-7 years while we rebuild our key positions. We may have to sacrifice Bergman just to get a decent spot in this years draft and forget trying to buy in low tier spuds to fill the gaps.

Other than that, we have no other trade value on hand, so start tanking the next 2-3 years for draft picks and hopefully pick up some decent SA or Qld talent in the process. Try to avoid the Vic talent just for go home factor and poor trade value in return.

If you can keep Butters, and Bergman to a lesser extent, that's a midfield group to build a team around. They are still young, so age isn't an issue. Port just need to get busy bringing in all the players they need around them.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Rely massively on JHF he's the one for them I'm quite alarming how much they rely on JHF. They need to hit the draft get some defenders and stop trading in castoffs and expecting them to be elite, trust me we are the same, our defence is going to be an issue when Rampe retires for us.

 

[Cleric]

Rely massively on JHF he's the one for them I'm quite alarming how much they rely on JHF. They need to hit the draft get some defenders and stop trading in castoffs and expecting them to be elite, trust me we are the same, our defence is going to be an issue when Rampe retires for us.

And the problem is they are parking JHF in the forward line along with SPP.
If your forward line is that weak that you need to prop it up by taking your most dynamic midfielder and putting him in there, then they have massive issues.

 

[Daka]

Should be a finals list, they made finals last year? I don't see how the talent has got worse? didn't they improve it getting players in? Houston is not the diff to being a finals team, they have been disappointing this season no sugarcoating it.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

And the problem is they are parking JHF in the forward line along with SPP.
If your forward line is that weak that you need to prop it up by taking your most dynamic midfielder and putting him in there, then they have massive issues.

Defence is much worse honestly bar North is there a worse defence in the comp?

 

[Adz2332]

need kpp bigtime.

MG as the only tall forward. missing marshall, luko has hurt us.
Aliir has been excellent still but need another one around him. Thatcher looked good and not having him this year has hurt us badly.

A midfield of butters, jhf, bergman, drew is decent, with rozee rotating through.

we need another big body to replace wines and a decent not necessary elite mid to replace our weakest mid like mead, moreas etc.

what would help was a decent game plan.... we need to spend on decent coaches and get rid of our ex player club we have as coaches currently, thats our biggest need by far.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

need kpp bigtime.

MG as the only tall forward. missing marshall, luko has hurt us.
Aliir has been excellent still but need another one around him. Thatcher looked good and not having him this year has hurt us badly.

A midfield of butters, jhf, bergman, drew is decent, with rozee rotating through.

we need another big body to replace wines and a decent not necessary elite mid to replace our weakest mid like mead, moreas etc.

what would help was a decent game plan.... we need to spend on decent coaches and get rid of our ex player club we have as coaches currently, thats our biggest need by far.

And hopefully your recruiters don’t blow what is a top 4 picks for Luco and Rory Atkins again.

 

[philthy05]

Port are an interesting watch with regards to where their list sits, post Kenny.

They have the holy trinity of JHF, Butters and Rozee, but outside of that im not sure their list is in a good position.
They lack any real forwards other than Georgiades, and went all in with Luko, which seems to have been a mistake.
Small forward wise they have SPP, Riloi and Berry. Riloi is at the end of his career, and Berry is still unproven at AFL level.

Their backline is subpar, and their best one is 30 years old.

They have been chasing the final peice of the puzzle for a decade, and never found it.
While their team isn't old enough to be in rebuild territory, they are in the even worst position of being stuck in that 9th- 14th range which rules them out of the best draft picks you get with a rebuild.

They are also at risk of losing both Butters and Bergman after losing Houston last year. You just can't cough up those type of quality players year after year and get success. Being a Crows supporter I know this all too well.

Is their list over rated, or is it in the window?

Our list deserves scrutiny, imo it’s neither in horrendous shape nor is it entirely healthy.


I disagree about not having any real forwards outside Mitch..

Luko is capable. Lord is serviceable at the very worst. Whitlock is showing very good signs already doing quite well in a sanfl that’s a harsh environment for kfs.

How many teams have 4 kfs 26 and under on their list? Even if we lose Todd to retirement 3 is still decent.

Small forward wise. Meh, doesn’t worry me. Least important position on the ground. We shifted Dbj forward when he was on the scrap heap as a defender and he’s been excellent in the role. We’re fine there imo.

Backline subpar? Absolutely. Kpd in trouble. Alir is elite, bzt was good last year but injured this year and been a huge loss. When we get zerk back healthy it will make a huge difference. But yeah, developing kpds are very questionable. Running and general defenders need some attention moving forward without being dire isn’t good enough. Sinn has a lot of promise but keeps getting injured. Jase is v good but we want to play him up the ground. We’ve got young wingers galore really tho.

Yes there was a push from the powers to be at the club to provide Hinkley with immediate help to validate keeping him on at the cost of draft picks. It’s hurt us, and they got away with it cause the afl handicapped us (and the crows) by not allowing fans the same club control that vic clubs have.

They’ll get a top 5 equivalent pick for butters even if it involves a 3 way trade

Bergman agree will only fetch a late first rounder as he’s out of contract

Jesus if we only get a late first for Bergman the club outta burn to the ground. He’s a gun defender who can play every position on the ground , and at most other clubs he already would be a full time high end mid, which he’s showing he can be at port.

We drafted him with a pick around 14 if I remember correctly, and that was a big win.

There’s no way I would want to go backwards and take less for him.

Should be a finals list, they made finals last year? I don't see how the talent has got worse? didn't they improve it getting players in? Houston is not the diff to being a finals team, they have been disappointing this season no sugarcoating it.

Houston was easily in our top 4 players , maybe even top 2 last year. He’s a massive loss. We’ve got a bunch of injuries to important players , staring fb in bzt, first 22 kfs in Marshall and luko. Butters missed games. Injuries to supporting players

 

[HugeJohnson]

I'm not as doom and gloom as a lot of other people, but still slightly concerned.

This year is a write-off but injuries have taken a massive toll. Butters missed a few weeks at the start of the season that already put us behind the 8 ball, Zerk-Thatcher was probably our best defender last year and hasn't played a game yet. Lukosius got injured before he even had a chance to get adjusted and prove himself, Marshall was our best forward not long ago, missing the season.
JHF now out for 5 weeks.

Things can turn around quickly in footy and I think we still have the cattle to be contenders next year when the Hinkley circus is out of the way and hopefully some new voices around Carr in the box. We've been top 4 numerous times the last few years and the talent hasn't just disappeared, apart from Houston that list is still pretty much intact.

I will say we chose a shocking year to give away our first draft pick but it still remains to be seen how much it will hurt us.

The rest of the year should be about pumping games in to the kids and giving guys in the Sanfl a chance to show something, rather than wheeling out Boak and guys like McEntee who has well and truly proven he's not at the level.