List Mgmt. Where are Port at list wise?

[SC_Power]

The 23 that Port are suiting up each week is one of the 4-5 youngest sides in the comp, half the team out there is 23yo or under.

No surprise like most on here, short term absolutely depends on keeping that mid field unit together, a healthy again Lukosius and possibly Marshall if Lord doesn’t continue to improve.

To be fair they’re coming down off a pretty good h&a run last 4-5 seasons (74W 33L) but ultimately have not been good enough when it counts - finals which is all that really matters.

 

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[Scotland]

They remind me of where they were in 2018 when they missed finals and got rid of Polec, Pittard, Wingard and traded aggressively to get a top 5 pick with Rankine, Rozee and Lukosious all going early.

For a team on the way down after multiple prelims they are in a good position in terms of under 25s. When my team missed the finals in 2021 we had Liam Ryan

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Liam Ryan

Age

28

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

25, Jake Waterman

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Jake Waterman

Age

27

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

2star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.0

1star

M

5.8

5star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

(23, unproven) and Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

(22, unproven) in the last team of the season, plus 7 of 8 players under 25 now off the list. Port have two AA mids + JHF aged 25 and under. Plus others who aren't as high profile. You don't normally have that until you are a few years out of finals.

Unfortunately they have ended up in the position of losing Houston and having no first round pick this year. Ouch. Don't rate Lukosious, the sort of 'nice' player that would fit in at Essendon.

The future really hinges on Butters, Rozee, JHF. If they keep Butters that is the core. If he leaves they need to get a haul and reload.

 

[philthy05]

one positive is that our biggest list holes

Ie young chb, young intercepting tall, small and medium defenders.. are reliably easy positions to fill in the draft and can be done without 1st round draft picks.

 

[Cleric]

Our list deserves scrutiny, imo it’s neither in horrendous shape nor is it entirely healthy.


I disagree about not having any real forwards outside Mitch..

Luko is capable. Lord is serviceable at the very worst. Whitlock is showing very good signs already doing quite well in a sanfl that’s a harsh environment for kfs.

How many teams have 4 kfs 26 and under on their list? Even if we lose Todd to retirement 3 is still decent.

Small forward wise. Meh, doesn’t worry me. Least important position on the ground. We shifted Dbj forward when he was on the scrap heap as a defender and he’s been excellent in the role. We’re fine there imo.

Backline subpar? Absolutely. Kpd in trouble. Alir is elite, bzt was good last year but injured this year and been a huge loss. When we get zerk back healthy it will make a huge difference. But yeah, developing kpds are very questionable. Running and general defenders need some attention moving forward without being dire isn’t good enough. Sinn has a lot of promise but keeps getting injured. Jase is v good but we want to play him up the ground. We’ve got young wingers galore really tho.

Yes there was a push from the powers to be at the club to provide Hinkley with immediate help to validate keeping him on at the cost of draft picks. It’s hurt us, and they got away with it cause the afl handicapped us (and the crows) by not allowing fans the same club control that vic clubs have.






Jesus if we only get a late first for Bergman the club outta burn to the ground. He’s a gun defender who can play every position on the ground , and at most other clubs he already would be a full time high end mid, which he’s showing he can be at port.

We drafted him with a pick around 14 if I remember correctly, and that was a big win.

There’s no way I would want to go backwards and take less for him.





Houston was easily in our top 4 players , maybe even top 2 last year. He’s a massive loss. We’ve got a bunch of injuries to important players , staring fb in bzt, first 22 kfs in Marshall and luko. Butters missed games. Injuries to supporting players

It's not having numbers of young forwards on your list, it's have quality that counts.
Mitch is the best by a long shake, and the others like Lord, Finnlayson are just not cutting it at the highest levels.
Let's be honest, what's the gap like between those and Thilthorpe and Fog?

The great white hope in Marshall unfortunately looks to have his career curtailed by injuries, and I don't think he will ever get to what he could have been.
Luko has jetted out of GC, and they haven't missed a best since he left. He isnt the prodigal son.

As for small forwards, they are one of the most important players in the game at this point. Every successful team has had good ones. Geelong, Brisbane, Richmond and Hawthorn to name a few.
Rankine or SPP/DBJ?

 

[Cosmicwinduptoy24]

Bit of overreaction in here.

How many genuine stars over 25 do Port actually have? Aliir, sure. But who else?

The list has finished top 4 the last two years and, outside of Houston, hasn’t lost anyone of real note. It’s not like we’re about to lose a bunch of key older players and fall off a cliff like some teams have in recent years.

The list is obviously not in flag-winning shape right now, but it’s also not in the mess people are making it out to be. Most of the core is still young, and there’s some promising academy and father-son talent coming through over the next few years.

If Butters goes, that’s a big hit. But we’ve heard this all before. The media said Wines was gone too, and that never eventuated.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Ken has done well with to take Port Power deep into September considering the state of the list. Probably should give him a few more years to really sort things out.

 

[Cosmicwinduptoy24]

Ken has done well with to take Port Power deep into September considering the state of the list. Probably should give him a few more years to really sort things out.

It's weird seeing Adelaide fans take pot shots at Ken.

Just a reminder, he has coached his team to finish above yours for the past seven consecutive seasons. Seven.

Oh, he also trained your current coach.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

A bit like Collingwood pre McRae.

Not the best, not the worst and very hard to judge fully until we see them operate under a decent game plan.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

It's weird seeing Adelaide fans take pot shots at Ken.

Just a reminder, he has coached his team to finish above yours for the past seven consecutive seasons. Seven.

Oh, he also trained your current coach.

Glad you're happy with those achievements

 

[Macca19]

It's not having numbers of young forwards on your list, it's have quality that counts.
Mitch is the best by a long shake, and the others like Lord, Finnlayson are just not cutting it at the highest levels.
Let's be honest, what's the gap like between those and Thilthorpe and Fog?

The great white hope in Marshall unfortunately looks to have his career curtailed by injuries, and I don't think he will ever get to what he could have been.
Luko has jetted out of GC, and they haven't missed a best since he left. He isnt the prodigal son.

As for small forwards, they are one of the most important players in the game at this point. Every successful team has had good ones. Geelong, Brisbane, Richmond and Hawthorn to name a few.
Rankine or SPP/DBJ?

Thilthorpe and Fog are your 1st and 2nd best KPF. Lord and Finlayson are our 4th and 5th best. They are only playing due to injury. So the gap is quite substantial for that reason, no doubt.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Ask Mike Sheehan.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Thilthorpe and Fog are your 1st and 2nd best KPF. Lord and Finlayson are our 4th and 5th best. They are only playing due to injury. So the gap is quite substantial for that reason, no doubt.

You still have your 1st best playing though.

 

[Jeremias]

They're an interesting watch.

I think there's enough talent there to be a lot better than they have been. And the good news is that the core they have is still relatively young, so if they stick together I can see them being a really good team.

The bad news is they've lost the plot over the past 2 years at the trade table. The Houston trade was a disaster but has been discussed ad nauseum. But it doesn't stop there, they've brought in so many ordinary footballers from other clubs.

Ratugolea
Soldo
Sweet
BZT
Atkins
Lukosius
Richards

How many of these players will be long term contributors for the club? I wouldn't confidently say any of them.

Go back to the draft and bring the next generation in.

 

[mick500]

Thilthorpe and Fog are your 1st and 2nd best KPF. Lord and Finlayson are our 4th and 5th best. They are only playing due to injury. So the gap is quite substantial for that reason, no doubt.

Problem is who are your 2 best forwards even when fit? Georgiadis and Marshall?

Marshall has seriously under delivered on what was expected from him by port people. 19 goals in 2024, 21 goals in 2023, 21 goals in 2022, 21 goals in 2021, 14 goals in 2020. And it gets worse from there. That's awful for your supposed key forward. And he didn't miss that many games last year. Even if he has missed games he's still not performing over a long period of time.

Georgiadis isn't any better. 21 goals is his best year. He's got 10 whole goals this year so he'll probably have his best season ever. Not hard though with such low output.

If that's your best I'd hate to see your worst.. I guess that's probably Finlayson because he sure as shit ain't competing at an AFL standard.

 

[WillHayward]

Should be a finals list, they made finals last year? I don't see how the talent has got worse? didn't they improve it getting players in? Houston is not the diff to being a finals team, they have been disappointing this season no sugarcoating it.

Can't help but think last year was a very weak all round year.

My mob made the GF and we are absolutely bog average so not sure what it said about the other 16 teams.

Not sure why but last year was poor overall.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's weird seeing Adelaide fans take pot shots at Ken.

Just a reminder, he has coached his team to finish above yours for the past seven consecutive seasons. Seven.

Oh, he also trained your current coach.

Unfortunately that is not a good thing.

 

[SAweagle]

It's weird seeing Adelaide fans take pot shots at Ken.

Just a reminder, he has coached his team to finish above yours for the past seven consecutive seasons. Seven.

Oh, he also trained your current coach.

Same amount of premiershisp and grand finals as Nicks

A Big Fat Zero

Results based industry

Ken is a career loser

Referred to by Port fans who know their footy as:

• The Chief Chump Outta Camperdown
• The Bell Park BullshItter
• Klutzy (Premiership)Dream Killer Ken
• Hinkley The Harebrained Hack

Referred to by his players and Jehrahd Waytli as:

• Daddy
• A Father Figure

 

[Macca19]

Problem is who are your 2 best forwards even when fit? Georgiadis and Marshall?

Marshall has seriously under delivered on what was expected from him by port people. 19 goals in 2024, 21 goals in 2023, 21 goals in 2022, 21 goals in 2021, 14 goals in 2020. And it gets worse from there. That's awful for your supposed key forward. And he didn't miss that many games last year. Even if he has missed games he's still not performing over a long period of time.

Georgiadis isn't any better. 21 goals is his best year. He's got 10 whole goals this year so he'll probably have his best season ever. Not hard though with such low output.

If that's your best I'd hate to see your worst.. I guess that's probably Finlayson because he sure as shit ain't competing at an AFL standard.

??

You should probably get some lessons in how to read a stat sheet as you've listed their games played, not their goals kicked for those years.

Both Georgiades (44 goals last year) and Marshall (45 goals in 2022) have kicked more goals in a season than both Fogarty and Thilthorpe have. Georgiades has kicked 21 goals this year, not 10.

 

[Daka]

Can't help but think last year was a very weak all round year.

My mob made the GF and we are absolutely bog average so not sure what it said about the other 16 teams.

Not sure why but last year was poor overall.

I think you guys were playing way better footy overall that year but you did lose to us at the MCG which may have been a telltale sign.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Can't help but think last year was a very weak all round year.

My mob made the GF and we are absolutely bog average so not sure what it said about the other 16 teams.

Not sure why but last year was poor overall.

This is a cop out statement if I ever heard one. Just because the "big clubs" are having poor season doesn't mean the season is weak! Ultimately the cream always rises to the top, and the great sides win premierships. It all boils down to timing and momentum in the run home.

Teams that dominate through out the year will struggle to stay top at the pointy end of the season as other teams have worked them out by then.

Since 1990, 1 in 3 teams who finished minor premiers, went on to win the Grand Final. Similar numbers with the pre-finals bye from 2016.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

??

You should probably get some lessons in how to read a stat sheet as you've listed their games played, not their goals kicked for those years.

Both Georgiades (44 goals last year) and Marshall (45 goals in 2022) have kicked more goals in a season than both Fogarty and Thilthorpe have. Georgiades has kicked 21 goals this year, not 10.

 

[SC_Power]

Problem is who are your 2 best forwards even when fit? Georgiadis and Marshall?

Marshall has seriously under delivered on what was expected from him by port people. 19 goals in 2024, 21 goals in 2023, 21 goals in 2022, 21 goals in 2021, 14 goals in 2020. And it gets worse from there. That's awful for your supposed key forward. And he didn't miss that many games last year. Even if he has missed games he's still not performing over a long period of time.

Georgiadis isn't any better. 21 goals is his best year. He's got 10 whole goals this year so he'll probably have his best season ever. Not hard though with such low output.

If that's your best I'd hate to see your worst.. I guess that's probably Finlayson because he sure as shit ain't competing at an AFL standard.

You actually wrote this and thought the whole time that your research and stats were accurate. You probably chuckled to yourself about how you’re were gonna expose these players for extraordinarily low returns.

That’s the funny bit

I wonder how you will cope when you see that Port Adelaide’s forward line out scored Adelaide’s last year.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Port look like they are in for a world of pain in the next few years. No 1st round draft pick this year and players like Butters potentially leaving. Even with the picks they'll get for Butters it will set them back for years to come.

 

[philthy05]

‘where are port at list wise”

Crows fans after watching their club rebuild over 7 years and still achieve nothing yet

“Hurr durr , list is crap, players are crap”