Where are the West Coast Eagles at?

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#51
Its great to have talent, but when the player only selectively uses it and has little or no workrate its no good for the team. You need the correct mix of both, and unfortunately a lot of those guys you mentioned fluctuate greatly from one week to the other as to what they put in.
Potential is great for a while, but when you show potential and don't do whats required to achieve it fully, it just becomes wasted opportunity.
We have a few guys like the above who have shown great potential, but for some reason appear to be content just running out each week and going through the motions. You don't win flags with a team full of guys like that.
Which player are you referring to?
 

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#52
The big picture problem looks to be entrenched attitudes and an old boys club that run the club, where everybody is far to comfortable. Players get a game and good pay without real desperation to win and remain celebs around town.

Simmo looks a breath of fresh air so far
 

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#53
The big picture problem looks to be entrenched attitudes and an old boys club that run the club, where everybody is far to comfortable. Players get a game and good pay without real desperation to win and remain celebs around town.

Simmo looks a breath of fresh air so far
Players look more tired and less desperate under Simmo IMO. Not sure how that is a breath of fresh air.
 

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#55
Not very often I post but here goes..........

I believe the Eagles have had a shocking season and it's mainly down to Mr. Nesbitt (maybe spelled incorrectly).

There are two well supported clubs, us and the pies. The rest can be ranked by inferiority ( and yes, the Dockers are well supported if doing good)

The competition is horribly biased for several reasons:
  1. The competition is unbalanced due to teams not playing each other twice.
  2. The salary cap is not equal.
  3. There is a focus on protection of old VFL teams.
  4. There is a focus on establishing quasi teams in rugby states at the expense of our code (quasi because there is the stigma of the old clubs, how can NSW people support the 'bloods'?)
  5. Media bias is allowed despite being dishonest.
  6. The umpiring is biased by the hierarchy who advise how to umpire each game (eg "let it go").
  7. The umpiring is the most incompetent part of the game.
  8. Funds flow from West to East perennially.
  9. Travel is not a fair consideration, but every club accepts it's importance.
I believe that the whole game is orchestrated by the Victorian hierarchy. They protect ex VFL clubs and prop them up. They are more interested in fighting Rugby than our code as long as VFL clubs survive.
I have never seen such a pathetic season where it is not worthwhile watching a game because of awful competition. This season indicates a directive for umpires to allow clear infringements that hurt good players yet favour mediocrity.
It is a great game with appalling management.
Yet our CEO supports it, clearly against the interests of all Western Australians!

He needs to go, along with all the communists.

Life is all about survival, not making the incompetent survive. Sending our funds to the east just allows clubs to survive without making fair effort to be self sufficient. They are bludgers and have no place in the competition.

I fear that without change, and particularly the CEO, we will only ever win a flag when 'it's our turn'.
 
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#56
List needs 2 or 3 more mids for rotation and a small forward. Forward line is fairly settled and defence is fine problem is mids which has been an issue since Judd & co left. Mcgovern is the find of season need a Colledge or Sheed to develop in next few years and we will be much better.
 

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#57
Not very often I post but here goes..........

I believe the Eagles have had a shocking season and it's mainly down to Mr. Nesbitt (maybe spelled incorrectly).

There are two well supported clubs, us and the pies. The rest can be ranked by inferiority ( and yes, the Dockers are well supported if doing good)

The competition is horribly biased for several reasons:
  1. The competition is unbalanced due to teams not playing each other twice.
  2. The salary cap is not equal.
  3. There is a focus on protection of old VFL teams.
  4. There is a focus on establishing quasi teams in rugby states at the expense of our code (quasi because there is the stigma of the old clubs, how can NSW people support the 'bloods'?)
  5. Media bias is allowed despite being dishonest.
  6. The umpiring is biased by the hierarchy who advise how to umpire each game (eg "let it go").
  7. The umpiring is the most incompetent part of the game.
  8. Funds flow from West to East perennially.
  9. Travel is not a fair consideration, but every club accepts it's importance.
I believe that the whole game is orchestrated by the Victorian hierarchy. They protect ex VFL clubs and prop them up. They are more interested in fighting Rugby than our code as long as VFL clubs survive.
I have never seen such a pathetic season where it is not worthwhile watching a game because of awful competition. This season indicates a directive for umpires to allow clear infringements that hurt good players yet favour mediocrity.
It is a great game with appalling management.
Yet our CEO supports it, clearly against the interests of all Western Australians!

He needs to go, along with all the communists.

Life is all about survival, not making the incompetent survive. Sending our funds to the east just allows clubs to survive without making fair effort to be self sufficient. They are bludgers and have no place in the competition.

I fear that without change, and particularly the CEO, we will only ever win a flag when 'it's our turn'.
You have far to much intelligence for this forum, perhaps the best post iv read here.

List needs 2 or 3 more mids for rotation and a small forward. Forward line is fairly settled and defence is fine problem is mids which has been an issue since Judd & co left. Mcgovern is the find of season need a Colledge or Sheed to develop in next few years and we will be much better.
Yaaaawwn. Yyyeah so did you think of all this yourself?
 

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#58
Not very often I post but here goes..........

I believe the Eagles have had a shocking season and it's mainly down to Mr. Nesbitt (maybe spelled incorrectly).

There are two well supported clubs, us and the pies. The rest can be ranked by inferiority ( and yes, the Dockers are well supported if doing good)

The competition is horribly biased for several reasons:
  1. The competition is unbalanced due to teams not playing each other twice.
  2. The salary cap is not equal.
  3. There is a focus on protection of old VFL teams.
  4. There is a focus on establishing quasi teams in rugby states at the expense of our code (quasi because there is the stigma of the old clubs, how can NSW people support the 'bloods'?)
  5. Media bias is allowed despite being dishonest.
  6. The umpiring is biased by the hierarchy who advise how to umpire each game (eg "let it go").
  7. The umpiring is the most incompetent part of the game.
  8. Funds flow from West to East perennially.
  9. Travel is not a fair consideration, but every club accepts it's importance.
I believe that the whole game is orchestrated by the Victorian hierarchy. They protect ex VFL clubs and prop them up. They are more interested in fighting Rugby than our code as long as VFL clubs survive.
I have never seen such a pathetic season where it is not worthwhile watching a game because of awful competition. This season indicates a directive for umpires to allow clear infringements that hurt good players yet favour mediocrity.
It is a great game with appalling management.
Yet our CEO supports it, clearly against the interests of all Western Australians!

He needs to go, along with all the communists.

Life is all about survival, not making the incompetent survive. Sending our funds to the east just allows clubs to survive without making fair effort to be self sufficient. They are bludgers and have no place in the competition.

I fear that without change, and particularly the CEO, we will only ever win a flag when 'it's our turn'.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON ABOUT????
 

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#59
I've always rated the Eagles as my 2nd favourite team but I am frustrated by the recruiting & drafting over the last 5 years which has been very poor, & now it is costing them.

Examples :

- They overpaid on Wellingham by giving up their first pick in the draft (12 from memory) when they could have probably got him with their 2nd had they played hardball.

- Gave up a 2nd round pick for Cripps who in all honesty is a fringe AFL standard player.

- Gave up pick 6 for pick 11 last year (Sheed) when they could have snagged an elite prospect such as Aish or Scharenberg.

- wasted early draft picks on players like Sheppard & Masten who have failed to deliver.

- Drafted hacks like Brennan, Morton & Dalziell who were never remotely close to being up to AFL standard

In fairness, I thought the recruitment of both Yeo & Ellis last year was good business & hopefully this will be the start of some better decision making by the recruiting team.

They obviously need to focus their attention now into recruiting some speed & skill to the midfield. At the moment they lack class in this area & it is a waste of forward talent in the likes of Darling, Kennedy & Le Cras if the ball is being delivered to them by a midfield that cannot hit a barn door by foot.

The defence looks solid enough although a long term replacement for Glass now needs to be found (perhaps McInnes & Barrass could fill that role) & the rucks look ok with NicNat, Lycett (who they cannot afford to lose) & Sinclair.

My thoughts are, be more selective when recruiting from other clubs by picking players that you need rather than just ex WA players who want to come home, fix the midfield & I think they are not too far away from mounting another challenge.
 

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#60
I don't have the answers, but am becoming increasingly disenchanted with the club. We support one of the richest, most supported clubs in the league - yet since 2006 have watched Geelong and Sydney stay up the top, while we have dropped down multiple times. Sydney even won another premiership since our epic Grand finals.


Something is massively wrong with this club. It looks like we have a good team on paper (short 1 or 2 good midfielders), but we produce mediocrity. The club seems more interested in money than it's members and winning. They charge more than anyone for memberships, yet the membership packs are amongst the lamest in the league. With disinterest in listening to the members (still no word on #returnthewings ? ), and history or randomly changing jumpers to chase the cash is sad.

They seriously couldn't care less about the members, as long as they make heaps of money - and winning is secondary to this.

West Coast should be a club rarely drops out of the 8 - heck the Wildcats have been in finals for 25 years straight. I know it's a smaller league, but Geelong and Sydney have shown it can be done - and we have more resources than either of them (excluding COLA).

I'd be OK to put up with the expensive tickets, crap membership packs, and crappy jumpers (tri-panel, white clash) if at least the focus on winning was there.

I'm all for a Salary Cap, but we should still be dominating the poorer Vic clubs (that shouldn't be in a national league anyway!). No more nice guy Eagles.

It needs to be turned around - Returnthewings and get back to dominating club WC showed they could be throughout the 90s.
 

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#62
Seeing Shuey's interview today it reminded me that he has B. Rawlings and A. Selwood as midfield coaches.
Nothing against these guys, they were solid players and I don't know what they're like as coaches, but they are inexperienced at coaching, so slight concern there.

Also they were both very defensive players, which in a way could be a positive, these days so much focus is given to defence all over the ground, so having these two show the way is certainly a good thing. Perhaps it gives a bit more understanding as to why Sheed hasn't had much of a go, the focus is probably on defensive work.

I would like us to appoint another assistant who played as an attacking midfielder though just to complement Rawlings, I still think these guys have a LONG way to go in terms of understanding how to play attacking football through the midfield.

Anyway, hopefully these assistant coaches work out, as development has been questionable over the years, great to see a decent clean out.
 

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I would like us to appoint another assistant who played as an attacking midfielder though just to complement Rawlings, I still think these guys have a LONG way to go in terms of understanding how to play attacking football through the midfield.

Anyway, hopefully these assistant coaches work out, as development has been questionable over the years, great to see a decent clean out.
Always wanted us to target Aker as a coach after he retired, reckon he'd be great. Bit of a Pietersen situation though.
 

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Perhaps the players are not used to hard work?
as the man said they try hard at the contest but don't do the work. footy is a cruel game where organised team work (hard work off the ball etc) kills grunt effort

Pre season will be interesting
 

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Always wanted us to target Aker as a coach after he retired, reckon he'd be great. Bit of a Pietersen situation though.
For all his faults he was one hell of a player, but I think the less personalities in the box the better.

I also think we need someone with a bit of experience in coaching, just to balance to inexperience of the other coaches.
 

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#66
Seeing Shuey's interview today it reminded me that he has B. Rawlings and A. Selwood as midfield coaches.
Nothing against these guys, they were solid players and I don't know what they're like as coaches, but they are inexperienced at coaching, so slight concern there.

Also they were both very defensive players, which in a way could be a positive, these days so much focus is given to defence all over the ground, so having these two show the way is certainly a good thing. Perhaps it gives a bit more understanding as to why Sheed hasn't had much of a go, the focus is probably on defensive work.

I would like us to appoint another assistant who played as an attacking midfielder though just to complement Rawlings, I still think these guys have a LONG way to go in terms of understanding how to play attacking football through the midfield.

Anyway, hopefully these assistant coaches work out, as development has been questionable over the years, great to see a decent clean out.
We need to have a specialist stoppage coach too. I do not think Shuey has been as bad people think this year and is getting better and better at breaking the tag and as you said Selwood and Rawlings would be a help as they were both good taggers back in their day. This could explain why Simpson has dropped Wellingham a few times so he can work on his defensive side.
 

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#67
Put any of the top eight mids in our team and we win this years premiership. Except the ruckmen of course.
Put our mids in any top eight team and they become mid table teams.

The plan is to change our midfield asap.

Selwood, Masten, Priddis, Rosa, Hutchings and Gaff as a combined unit will not win us a premiership.
Maybe 3 of those with another 2 quality mids would help us win one.
Imagine if Collingwood & WCE swapped midfields!?!?!?!
 

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#73
We're going to be seeing delistings like never before come the end of the season.

We will be shit against next year but the year after we really should be building our fortress again and pushing for finals.
 

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#75
It's funny how half our board are like: trade Shuey, trade Selwood, trade Masten, trade Naitanui... THESE ARE OUR BEST PLAYERS, or at least our most talented players. The idea is to add talent, not trade out talent.
please Masten is so not even close to being in the sentence of best players at the club anymore. Credit due as his 2012-13 were impressive, I thought he was clearly our best mid last year but **** that, you can't go that far backwards at 25. Enough's enough drop the guillotine!
 
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