Where does Mundy sit in the Pantheon of greats at Freo now?

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scottishfiction

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Nat Fyfe could have a 35 touch second half in a Grand Final where the Dockers were down by 40, kick four goals himself, and pinch our first flag and he still wouldn't be the best Freo player ever. I have no idea what state the club would be in if we hadn't have drafted him, but even worse, if he'd have left for the Crows in the 2000s.

there's no one comparable now. Gary Ablett dogged the Suns once the money dried up and it was all getting a bit tough. it's genuinely unprecedented.

I also think Pav had more games where he single handedly won it for us or summed up the win for us. Geelong in that final in 2011 is one example, even that 2012 Western Derby. Fyfe is in the top 3 players on the ground in every single game but he's yet to have that real genuine moment where your heart's pounding for him.
 

ignoramus

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Nat Fyfe could have a 35 touch second half in a Grand Final where the Dockers were down by 40, kick four goals himself, and pinch our first flag and he still wouldn't be the best Freo player ever.
Finish the post there, read with a tone of exasperation, and you've summed up my thoughts.

I absolutely love Pav, and it took a fair while for me to get to the point of considering the possibility that his legacy could ever be rivalled, but at this point I'm trying to imagine what more Fyfe could possibly do to finally get the respect and admiration he deserves.
 

MadMundy

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Mundy could easily be up around number 3 behind Pav and Fyfe by the time he hangs it up, he's gotten better as he's gotten older, so I reckon he's still got another 2 or so years to cement himself as the number 3.
 

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FreoRicci

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Finish the post there, read with a tone of exasperation, and you've summed up my thoughts.

I absolutely love Pav, and it took a fair while for me to get to the point of considering the possibility that his legacy could ever be rivalled, but at this point I'm trying to imagine what more Fyfe could possibly do to finally get the respect and admiration he deserves.
It’s a different trait.
Pavlich transformed what many roles were traditionally. Played them his own way. AAs in 5 different positions.
Fyfe has been great. But he needs a Norm Smith, a premiership to even come close to Pavlich’s legacy. Fyfe probably needs to play 250+, success as a captain and 4-5 AAs. Hasn’t done enough, beside his Brownlows, to come close.
It just the way the club were a joke, possibly close to folding that Pavlich remained and genuinely the only player to rise about it by 2006-2013. Fans will never forget that. Coupled with 353 games with 700 goals.
Take Pavlich’s resume, put him on a Victorian team. Hed be considered top 50 greatest of all time. That’s the absurdness of it all.
 

ignoramus

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It’s a different trait.
Pavlich transformed what many roles were traditionally. Played them his own way. AAs in 5 different positions.
Fyfe has been great. But he needs a Norm Smith, a premiership to even come close to Pavlich’s legacy. Fyfe probably needs to play 250+, success as a captain and 4-5 AAs. Hasn’t done enough, beside his Brownlows, to come close.
It just the way the club were a joke, possibly close to folding that Pavlich remained and genuinely the only player to rise about it by 2006-2013. Fans will never forget that. Coupled with 353 games with 700 goals.
Take Pavlich’s resume, put him on a Victorian team. Hed be considered top 50 greatest of all time. That’s the absurdness of it all.
Sure. Like I say, I love Pav. I certainly don't dispute the enormity of his achievements. I'm more responding to the implication that Fyfe might do all of those things, plus win a third Brownlow, take the team to its first (second and third) premiership, and he still wouldn't "even come close". I'm responding to the sense that beyond recognising pure football prowess, there's something else at stake in greatness, something that Fyfe will, seemingly, never possess or attain.

There are plenty enough supporters (including many posters in this thread) who don't feel that way, of course, but it's still common enough for Pav to get accorded a kind of saintliness which gets denied of Fyfe, whose achievements get interpreted as the outcome of his personal ambition, rather than as a byproduct of his dedication to the club. Or maybe, because his Brownlows are proof that he has received due recognition from the VFL, and so he's not suffering the levels of under-appreciation required to equal the personal sacrifices made by Pav — the irony here being that if Fyfe never does win a third Brownlow, it'll very likely be owing to the fact that he has been sacrificing his own game for the sake of developing the squad, bringing others into the game, playing outside his preferred role, being a team-player, and (hopefully) leading the club to success.

So, I guess I'm wondering what Fyfe would have to do. If a Norm Smith & premiership, 250+ games, 4-5 AAs, etc. is what it would take for him to come close to Pav, what else would he have to do for it to no longer be a question?
 

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