Analysis Where to from here?

[Seeds]

Finished the H&A Season 1st in 1992, 4th in '94 and 2nd in '95.

I stand corrected then.

nonethless we were never favourites in any season. Even in 92 we were always up against the WA state team.

the 94 series was an incredible one of rising up against adversity three weeks in a row with all our injuries. 95 we smashed it in the earlier finals. 92 had some big finals wins as well. We werent just losing all our finals

 

[CatAttack84]

handbaggers post 90s and had a great 5 year period before becoming handbaggers again.

That refers solely to the 1970s when the club was at its absolute lowest both from a squad perspective but even as a business. Any opposition supporter who's used that term since does so purely as a slur.

 

[maxy87]

Finished the H&A Season 1st in 1992, 4th in '94 and 2nd in '95.

Yes my understanding was that the Cats were favourites in 1992 and choked it up hard. The other GFs they were all underdogs. But I digress.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Exactly!

Seriously though, Dahlhaus has gotten everything out of himself, he ain't got a lot more to give.

Evans may not actually be able to bottle up the loose forward ball in the manner of Dahlhaus, but surely the club can at least try to train him (or someone - Evans seems best suited to attempt it at this stage though imo) to do the job, and as I mentioned elsewhere, at least Evans has some type of finishing skills unlike Dahlhaus.

Evans can hit the scoreboard but look at the stats for score launches from back half. It has become the most important source for scoring chassis just about. It's an important role

 

[Cursed Cat]

I stand corrected then.

nonethless we were never favourites in any season. Even in 92 we were always up against the WA state team.

the 94 series was an incredible one of rising up against adversity three weeks in a row with all our injuries. 95 we smashed it in the earlier finals. 92 had some big finals wins as well. We werent just losing all our finals

Yes fair enough.

 

[thecatattack]

That refers solely to the 1970s when the club was at its absolute lowest both from a squad perspective but even as a business. Any opposition supporter who's used that term since does so purely as a slur.

Sure it originated from then but like any word it has evolved over term and has been used for us for many different reasons.

Even my dad who has supported us since the 70s and has been to all our losing grand finals and finals etc said we’re back to being handbaggers.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Evans can hit the scoreboard but look at the stats for score launches from back half. It has become the most important source for scoring chassis just about. It's an important role

Do you think Dahlhaus is fulfilling his brief then?

I think he is reasonably good at locking in the loose ball on our half-forward line. Reasonably good.
But he never takes it a step further and generates a score (whether by kicking the goal himself or by assisting others to do the same).

 

[Cursed Cat]

Yes my understanding was that the Cats were favourites in 1992 and choked it up hard. The other GFs they were all underdogs. But I digress.

West Coast had our measure unfortunately.

They beat us comfortably in the Semi just a couple of weeks before beating us in the GF, in much the same manner; Matera and Sumich dominated.

Of course we did take a 1st half lead into the GF, but we just couldn't go with them over 4 quarters.

Our bottom 3-4 players in those days were pretty ordinary.

 

[cats_09]

Do you think Dahlhaus is fulfilling his brief then?

I think he is reasonably good at locking in the loose ball on our half-forward line. Reasonably good.
But he never takes it a step further and generates a score (whether by kicking the goal himself or by assisting others to do the same).

I think Dahlhaus is fulfilling his brief, playing a role that's appreciated by both the coaches and teammates

I totally get the frustration with him not hitting the scoreboard more often or setting up teammates off the back of his pressure game, and do wish we saw him being more or an offensive that

Regardless of what we as fans think of his game, I don't see him being omitted at this stage of things and that he'll be part of our remaining finals barring injury

 

[Cursed Cat]

I think Dahlhaus is fulfilling his brief, playing a role that's appreciated by both the coaches and teammates

I totally get the frustration with him not hitting the scoreboard more often or setting up teammates off the back of his pressure game, and do wish we saw him being more or an offensive that

Regardless of what we as fans think of his game, I don't see him being omitted at this stage of things and that he'll be part of our remaining finals barring injury

Oh I definitely think he'll see out this finals series in the current role, for sure - was more talking about 2022 and beyond; I wasn't clear on that point sorry.

Edit: and I have acknowledged a couple of times that he wasn't our worst against Port; he tried and he always puts his head over the ball. But he is extremely limited.

 

[cats_09]

Oh I definitely think he'll see out this finals series in the current role, for sure - was more talking about 2022 and beyond; I wasn't clear on that point sorry.

We know he's contracted for next year and I don't see the club as being the ones to pull the plug on that deal, but if Dahlhaus was to be the one to say he's calling it a day, then that's another discussion

He shouldn't be seen as an automatic best 22 player next year, but rather more of a Jenkins type player who is "break glass when there's no other option"

 

[bellpark]

Just heard that swimmer with the crazy coach say that it easy to make plans, its harder to stick to them but the toughest thing is executing at the exact time you need to in the event. That’s the hardest thing and what her coach helps her most with. Well that set of a light globe for me. our coaching group are great at making a plan, getting the group to the event but an absolute FAIL at getting them to execute at the actual time they need to.

Should we fly in the crazy swimming coach for the rest of the finals. Might also be a good idea to ask ourselves specifically why we can’t perform at the actual event we spenc our professional lives getting ready for? Clearly something pretty big missing in our approach.

 

[Vdubs]

Yes my understanding was that the Cats were favourites in 1992 and choked it up hard. The other GFs they were all underdogs. But I digress.

Sentimental.

Strange, in fact, bizarre finals in 92.
We finished top on %, 3 teams on 64.
WCE on 62
We played Dogs first week, beat them.
'Week after, played WCE, who had just eliminated Hawks, and they beat us.
Week after, we played Dogs again in Prelim, won.
Then the GF v WCE. We were sentimental favourites, but WCE were impressive in beating us in the final, and were probably logical favourites to beat us again.
4 finals- 2 wins v Doggies, 2 losses v WCE.

 

[Cursed Cat]

We know he's contracted for next year and I don't see the club as being the ones to pull the plug on that deal, but if Dahlhaus was to be the one to say he's calling it a day, then that's another discussion

He shouldn't be seen as an automatic best 22 player next year, but rather more of a Jenkins type player who is "break glass when there's no other option"

Agreed - and there could be value in someone of his experience playing VFL too - he's given the club his best, and we should honor his contract.
But I think for the club to evolve on-field we need some fresh legs and his is one spot that I am very much looking to turn over to an apprentice (in 2022).

 

[maxy87]

Our bottom 3-4 players in those days were pretty ordinary.

Sounds very familiar

 

[Strange Cat]

Yes my understanding was that the Cats were favourites in 1992 and choked it up hard. The other GFs they were all underdogs. But I digress.

History repeating itself and back to same old culture

2007-2011 was a abbreviation

 

[maxy87]

History repeating itself and back to same old culture

2007-2011 was a abbreviation

“History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme” - Mark Twain.

 

[Pollywaffle]

As for Hinkley, maybe he didn't interview very well with the board and they didn't think what he was going to bring to Geelong was what they wanted compared with Scott who they believed was a better fit for the club

I think they wanted to bring in a coach with a more defensive mindset..
careful what you wish for.

 

[Pollywaffle]

History repeating itself and back to same old culture

2007-2011 was a abbreviation

I think you mean aberration but I get what your saying.
Let’s hope it isn’t so.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Do you think Dahlhaus is fulfilling his brief then?

I think he is reasonably good at locking in the loose ball on our half-forward line. Reasonably good.
But he never takes it a step further and generates a score (whether by kicking the goal himself or by assisting others to do the same).

He's had patches where he has been good and also turned in a lot of poor performances. Playing so many talls forward has doubled his workload though. Taking him out for Evans though is giving up on preventing oppo d50 scoring chains I think. If we're replacing him with anyone it would be Atkins I think.

 

[Cursed Cat]

He's had patches where he has been good and also turned in a lot of poor performances. Playing so many talls forward has doubled his workload though. Taking him out for Evans though is giving up on preventing oppo d50 scoring chains I think. If we're replacing him with anyone it would be Atkins I think.

Interesting - not necessarily against that option (again: I am talking about 2022 and beyond - I don't really think the club will or even should give Dahlhaus the flick this Finals series, for better or worse), although Atkins never really got involved in our own scoring chains too much when he was previously playing a Dahlhaus-type role, iirc.

Personally I don't particularly care which individual fulfills that ''small forward tasked with minimizing the opposition's defensive rebound effectiveness'' role, but I'd like to see a better balance between providing defensive efforts and also providing a genuine forward option.

 

[Romeoh1]

Finished the H&A Season 1st in 1992, 4th in '94 and 2nd in '95.

I was at all of those finals - we didn’t win the flag, but crikey we had a lot of fun getting there. The charge of the blight brigade was never dull! ( ayres was though)

 

[MadCatter666]

Another year and another dismal finals display. Footy does require a lot of luck and with the injury to Stewart, our seasons hopes seem to be destroyed with it. Blaming our poor finals performance on Stewart though is far too easy.

Firstly selection - if hendo has significant personal problems and dangers has a broken hand, both players should not have been selected. Playing fit players in finals is essential not desirable! If both issues are true then these selections were horrendous.

Geelongs motto of finals footy is contested footy and you need big bodied players. Ok, that’s understandable but then we go and recruit Higgins who is neither of these things and never ever puts his body on the line. Continues to run past players looking for the cheap stats instead of shepherding or bodying out opponents to help team mates. A selfish player who we recruited for his polish while young players don’t get the same free pass and continue to get injured while putting on size and putting their body on the line. And one last whinge regarding big bodies and contested footy, our players got physically smashed by a bunch of mid 70kg PA kids. Maybe footy is a bit more than just size (tongue in cheek).

We have so many issues and half way through the year I thought I was wrong, I’d thought we’d pulled a rabbit out of the hat and we’re a genuine premiership contender. Another good H&A season but poor finals campaign appears to be on the cards.

Good news is Greene shouldn’t be playing next week so that makes the job a little easier and if we somehow win that game, the club will call this year another great year where we so close but in reality, we’re a mile off.

Good luck cats, pleading for a mini finals miracle

 

[Goggin Our Best]

. But I do think if we face this again at the end of 2022 the Cats should let Scotty go. He's had long enough at the club. The Cats badly need some fresh ideas and perspectives in the coaching department. Time to let some assistant coaches go who have been there far too long and have grown too comfortable.

I have heard Scarlett interviewed about 3 times on the radio - he is a doubter ( as to his future plans ) and how he talks he is just Scott mark 2 re game plan - chip it around - defence 1st - so heaven help if he gets the job - you might as well go away for a decade and follow Leeds United

My beef - is favourites are played under the current regime - Dahlhaus in the side the past 3-4 mths disgraceful decision Goggin Blight Ayres Thompson would have all axed him 14 weeks ago

Geel are a conservative club ( from an admin point of view ) - the past 2 presidents in my view have been week from a football perspective

You can bag Kennet all you like - but he is not frightened to challenge anyone and change things quickly - and if he was the Geel president - after Frid nights perennial debacle he would say things - like we play slow controlled boring football -which unfortunattely doesnt cut the mustard in Sept - re the pressure of finals - and he would be watching the remainder of the 2021 season closely - and he wouldnt be frightened to pull the trigger - not at all

You contrast that to Geel - Hocking has gone back to the club as CEO - well pardun the pun but this is going to be shocking - because he is great mates with Scott - he worked with Scott at a State of Origin game - and it was Hocking who recommended/told the club to interview Scott

So unfortunately nothing is going to change at Geel - make the finals and fall the bits

Wake me up in about 5-7 years where change actually occurs- and the slow motion stuff is finally shelved

 

[Goggin Our Best]

'Lack of effort" as a reason why a side loses is an idiotic mantra screeched by football morons.

Your carrying on like youve won 4 Brownlows 5 Magarys and 6 Sandover medals

So please tell me why we lost Frid night and how it is fixed - in your opinion - youve rubbished someone who actually played at the elite level - so give us your opinion