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Barrass did not play in his first year and I think the offer from St Kilda came in prior to the year Barrass was drafted.
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Analysis Where to play McGovern
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Think about our back-line this season and the key elements that make it currently so successful.
Intercept/win the ball, quick fast precise kicking and delivery out of the back line through the corridor or a hit up target on the wing.
Do you really think Brown has the foot skills to fully implement this strategy ?
As reliable as a 27 year old who has had two knee reco's and barely strung together a full AFL season in his career?
Regardless it should be Emac on the Monster 1st tall, then Schoey 2nd.
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HB Wellingham Mcgovern Hurn
That is the best defence we have put together since the early 90's imo. Ellis or Butler as the seventh defender. Brown is depth, Barass developing. Yeo moves into the midfield full time from next year. Either Yeo or Shep can swing as third tall in game if required to send Gov forward.
HB Wellingham Mcgovern Hurn
That is the best defence we have put together since the early 90's imo. Ellis or Butler as the seventh defender. Brown is depth, Barass developing. Yeo moves into the midfield full time from next year. Either Yeo or Shep can swing as third tall in game if required to send Gov forward.
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I know this is pretty risky, but when we play a pretty poor team next we should play barass drop Sinclair to sub and play gov forward/ruck and if it doesnt work sub barass and push gov back.
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Not blooding Barrass is a conservative position in my opinion, because if we play him and if he proves capable then we have options within games that we didn't have before.
People underestimate just how good this kid is. When you compare him to Mackenzie and Brown at a similar point in there development and in spite of his physical setbacks and wiry build and he's a class above those two. While he might not be ready to play as your main defender he is capable of playing second or third tall. I have a negative inclination that he might not have the physical conditioning to play AFL in terms of endurance and he'll leak goals when fatigued. Playing a team defense is to his detriment in the short term because it's probably better that you play small and have that small make a physical contest than play a younger and weaker tall who might lack the endurance to make that physical contest. But when on song his one percenters, spoiling, intercept marking and rebound are all top notch.
Playing Barrass in 2015 should be considered wholly separate to the question of McGovern's long term position. Which is determined in the short term (1-3 years) by the fitness of Mackenzie, Brown and Kennedy and in the long term by what sort of talls we draft.
For me McGovern is offensively minded and that type of player with his physical mongrel is well suited to the forward line. He's capable of kicking bags and dominating opponents. Playing defense is playing McGovern within himself in a competitive sense.
People underestimate just how good this kid is. When you compare him to Mackenzie and Brown at a similar point in there development and in spite of his physical setbacks and wiry build and he's a class above those two. While he might not be ready to play as your main defender he is capable of playing second or third tall. I have a negative inclination that he might not have the physical conditioning to play AFL in terms of endurance and he'll leak goals when fatigued. Playing a team defense is to his detriment in the short term because it's probably better that you play small and have that small make a physical contest than play a younger and weaker tall who might lack the endurance to make that physical contest. But when on song his one percenters, spoiling, intercept marking and rebound are all top notch.
Playing Barrass in 2015 should be considered wholly separate to the question of McGovern's long term position. Which is determined in the short term (1-3 years) by the fitness of Mackenzie, Brown and Kennedy and in the long term by what sort of talls we draft.
For me McGovern is offensively minded and that type of player with his physical mongrel is well suited to the forward line. He's capable of kicking bags and dominating opponents. Playing defense is playing McGovern within himself in a competitive sense.
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Fantastic question dodging good sir.
Well said my sweet prince.
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I seen McGovern rucking for Claremont (prior to EP alignment) and he went very well in the 2012 GF and contested against Griffin.So in my mind no doubt he can cover.
The question of Barrrass in the same conversation is that Barrass would reduce the reliance on having McGovern down back. Whether 2015 or 2016.
The question of Barrrass in the same conversation is that Barrass would reduce the reliance on having McGovern down back. Whether 2015 or 2016.
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I am excited to see what Barrass can do but it's not as simple as saying 'this allows us to drop Sinclair'. McGovern is dominating down back. He would probably dominate up forward too, but I would hope that Barrass doesn't come in until the coaches are convinced he has the game-plan down to a level somewhat matching Jezza.
Of course it's a pretty natural leaning to want to see the guy kicking snags but he is just so damn good down back.
Of course it's a pretty natural leaning to want to see the guy kicking snags but he is just so damn good down back.
Surely Darling as a half forward? His pace and fitness would be wasted in a pocket
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Imagining Gov and his floating marks in the forward line makes me very, very hard.
How hard are we talking here? Nic Nat goal after the siren hard ... Sampi mark of the year hard .. or Mastens mrs hard ..
As point flies right past you...
Not disagreeing with you, however we're going to be conservative because we're in the hunt for a top 2/4 spot. He'll likely get a chance against a tall forward line like Sydney or Hawthorn playing on a 3rd tall, but he's still very green (< 10 senior games?) so there's nothing wrong with him gaining experience at WAFL, especially as KPD's usually require 3 years before showing much at AFL level.
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Well we didn't necessarily get here by being conservative. Wouldn't it be the conservative move to play Yeo in defense rather than seeing if he's much chop through the middle and across the forward line?
For me being able to swing McGovern forward in the third term of a prelim could wind up being the difference between winning and losing. Irrespective of Barrass getting games Simpson has got to find more if we're going to improve and really challenge. Barrass could be a part of that or he could simply be too green. I'll back Simpsons judgement, as he's shown his aptitude in assessing players and getting the most from our list in spite of our LTI's but for me finishing 3rd is very similar to finishing 7th.
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I'm of the opinion that Barrass needs to be blooded soon, preferably after our hard run of games.
Because if one of McGovern or Schoey goes down we are stuffed, blooding Barrass could give us the depth needed to overcome such a situation.
Was thinking playing him for 3-4 weeks and during this period give a defender a weeks rest, then another defender gets a rest etc.
On McGovern: can see him being a swingman, play him where needed depending on opponent and momentum.
Because if one of McGovern or Schoey goes down we are stuffed, blooding Barrass could give us the depth needed to overcome such a situation.
Was thinking playing him for 3-4 weeks and during this period give a defender a weeks rest, then another defender gets a rest etc.
On McGovern: can see him being a swingman, play him where needed depending on opponent and momentum.
Can't argue with that logic that if we continue with this strategy, that has worked well, it makes Brown the most expendable tall defender, even if I'd rather see him at AFL level because of his reliability at CHB.
I wouldn't offer him up at all because you need that experience available to call upon but we've seen more in 2015 how damaging Will Schofield can be because he'd added those extra few kg's that he needed to so that he can compete strongly as a second tall down back without losing the attacking side to his game.
The back 6 that WCE_phil posted is a pretty safe and settled unit with players like Xavier Ellis and Sam Butler/ Jackson Nelson floating through so that we can continue with Barrass's development and use Brown as a stand by at WAFL level.
Obviously needs to fill out in the arms and shoulders. But im fairly sure sheed is 185cm and Tunners is around 191cms. Barrass has atleast 5 cms on Tunners. Good size.
Mcgovern tho, will be a gun where ever he plays. Maybe he'll do a Pav and win All Australian in multiple positions
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